Trump administration concedes court-protected Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done'

[loveofourlord]

It turns out the tattoos are marijuana, smile, cross, skull,
marijuana and smile for MS and the claim is that the cross is covering up the one and the skull is covering up the three. So it’s not conclusive

yeah.......thats just stupid all offense, but half coded, half actual numbers, nice try. And not even that the closest you have is 1, but could be an I too, or gasp a T!!!maybe he's a mystery science theater 3k fan!!!!. Trump gets this nonsense from a conspiracy guy and you bozo's completly eat it up. And I would like to see where the three is in the skull, I looked at it, nothing there, and where is the M and S in marijuana and smilie? And if coded see above.

 

[Belk]

No US court, not even the Supreme Court can dictate what El Salvador must do. They say that he is a citizen and they are not deporting him the last I heard

I don't care about El Salvador. I care about our president and his complete abdication of responsibility in this case. I al;so care about those who claim to be "law and order republicans" who utterly ignoring the law.

 

[Belk]

It turns out the tattoos are marijuana, smile, cross, skull,
marijuana and smile for MS and the claim is that the cross is covering up the one and the skull is covering up the three. So it’s not conclusive

Shocked am I

 

[Oompa Loompa]

It turns out the tattoos are marijuana, smile, cross, skull,
marijuana and smile for MS and the claim is that the cross is covering up the one and the skull is covering up the three. So it’s not conclusive

MS13 would tell the liberals, "No veo ninguna evidencia. No escucho ninguna evidencia. No digo ninguna evidencia."

Translated: "See no evidence. Hear no evidence. Speak no evidence."

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I don't care about El Salvador. I care about our president and his complete abdication of responsibility in this case. I al;so care about those who claim to be "law and order republicans" who utterly ignoring the law.

Why would he care about a wife beating terrorist? And whether you like it or not, the law is on Trump's side. As powerful as the US president is, it is not within the power of the SCOTUS to force foreign policy and diplomacy. Meaning that Justice Sotomayor cannot force El Salvador to send the wife beater back to the US, but she can force Trump to accept the wife beater back. El Salvador has to offer the wife beater to the US, and Trump's only obligation to SCOTUS is to facilitate the return. As of yet, El Salvador wants to keep the terrorist wife beater behind bars.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

yes I get that, so it's just nonsense that it refers to ms13, as there is no way it would do so, as it would make no sense.

@BPPLEE this is why I nolonger waste my time providing evidence. They ask for evidence, but what they really want is an excuse to argue. Just cut your losses.

 

[Belk]

Why would he care about a wife beating terrorist? And whether you like it or not, the law is on Trump's side. As powerful as the US president is, it is not within the power of the SCOTUS to force foreign policy and diplomacy. Meaning that Justice Sotomayor cannot force El Salvador to send the wife beater back to the US, but she can force Trump to accept the wife beater back. El Salvador has to offer the wife beater to the US, and Trump's only obligation to SCOTUS is to facilitate the return. As of yet, El Salvador wants to keep the terrorist wife beater behind bars.

Oh, who to believe, you or the unanimous decision of the SCOTUS and multiple other courts? They even cite precedence. Funny that.

But please, tell us more about how there is this magic loop hole where the president of the United States just gets to disappear people to other countries despite court orders and you find that perfectly acceptable.

 

[BPPLEE]

Kilmar Ábrego García: Who is the man deported from Maryland to El Salvador?

Officials in the US and El Salvador have been unwilling to return the man home, sparking a legal battle.

www.bbc.com

 

[BPPLEE]

@BPPLEE this is why I nolonger waste my time providing evidence. They ask for evidence, but what they really want is an excuse to argue. Just cut your losses.

It was his next post that was offensive and uncalled for

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

 

[loveofourlord]

@BPPLEE this is why I nolonger waste my time providing evidence. They ask for evidence, but what they really want is an excuse to argue. Just cut your losses.

you call a made up doctored nonsense evidence? Seriously, your definetly a POE, that is the farthest thing from evidence. You litrally have 1/2 digit and act like it's a big hidden code.

 

[loveofourlord]

It was his next post that was offensive and uncalled for

so is spreading lies about someone because some moron on the internet decided tattoos are some secret code. But you guys seem to have no problems repeating lies about garcia.

 

[okay]

The administration's plan here is actually quite clever. If they get away with doing this, then they have established they can do the following:
* have ICE detain a person
* get them on a plane leaving the country before any judges have a chance to rule on the legality
* if/when the courts say that it is illegal, just claim "Administrative error. Too late now - oopsie daisy!"

They can disappear anyone they want with this approach.

To folks who are okay with what our government did in this case, I have a few questions.

1. How many times are you willing to give the administration a pass to do this?

2. What is an acceptable 'administrative error' rate?

3. Would you trust AOC or <insert name of who you think is the scariest politician here> with that power? Because if this administration is allowed to have this power, then every subsequent administration will also have this power.

Trump has asked El Salvador to build 5 more of the mega prisons for him to fill. If he is allowed to have a 1% 'administrative error' rate then Trump gets to disappear 2,000 people of his chosing.

I trust no person or administration with this kind of power. This tactic is brilliant, but bone-chilling.

If Abrego Garcia gets his day in court and he is deported, I am fine with that. But he should get his day in court. Denying him that is paving the way for this administration, and any subsequent administration, to do exactly what I outlined above.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The administration's plan here is actually quite clever. If they get away with doing this, then they have established they can do the following:
* have ICE detain a person
* get them on a plane leaving the country before any judges have a chance to rule on the legality
* if/when the courts say that it is illegal, just claim "Administrative error. Too late now - oopsie daisy!"

They can disappear anyone they want with this approach.

To folks who are okay with what our government did in this case, I have a few questions.

1. How many times are you willing to give the administration a pass to do this?

2. What is an acceptable 'administrative error' rate?

3. Would you trust AOC or <insert name of who you think is the scariest politician here> with that power? Because if this administration is allowed to have this power, then every subsequent administration will also have this power.

Trump has asked El Salvador to build 5 more of the mega prisons for him to fill. If he is allowed to have a 1% 'administrative error' rate then Trump gets to disappear 2,000 people of his chosing.

I trust no person or administration with this kind of power. This tactic is brilliant, but bone-chilling.

If Abrego Garcia gets his day in court and he is deported, I am fine with that. But he should get his day in court. Denying him that is paving the way for this administration, and any subsequent administration, to do exactly what I outlined above.

How about.
1. Person enters US illegally.
2. Person is subject to deportation for violating immigration laws.
3. They are sent to their own country, and that country can does whatever they wish with their citizens in their own jurisdiction.

 

[ozso]

The administration's plan here is actually quite clever. If they get away with doing this, then they have established they can do the following:
* have ICE detain a person
* get them on a plane leaving the country before any judges have a chance to rule on the legality
* if/when the courts say that it is illegal, just claim "Administrative error. Too late now - oopsie daisy!"

They can disappear anyone they want with this approach.

To folks who are okay with what our government did in this case, I have a few questions.

1. How many times are you willing to give the administration a pass to do this?

2. What is an acceptable 'administrative error' rate?

3. Would you trust AOC or <insert name of who you think is the scariest politician here> with that power? Because if this administration is allowed to have this power, then every subsequent administration will also have this power.

Trump has asked El Salvador to build 5 more of the mega prisons for him to fill. If he is allowed to have a 1% 'administrative error' rate then Trump gets to disappear 2,000 people of his chosing.

I trust no person or administration with this kind of power. This tactic is brilliant, but bone-chilling.

If Abrego Garcia gets his day in court and he is deported, I am fine with that. But he should get his day in court. Denying him that is paving the way for this administration, and any subsequent administration, to do exactly what I outlined above.

I think they are way too overloaded with bonefide illegal aliens to deal with, to want add people to those numbers by framing them.

 

[okay]

I think they are way too overloaded with bonefide illegal aliens to deal with, to want add people to those numbers by framing them.

So you are okay giving this and all future administrations this power, because you trust that such power will never be abused.

That is your prerogative.

I do not trust any government with that power. It is the power of a dictatorship.

 

[okay]

How about.
1. Person enters US illegally.
2. Person is subject to deportation for violating immigration laws.
3. They are sent to their own country, and that country can does whatever they wish with their citizens in their own jurisdiction.

I see you are choosing to ignore how it violated a court order to send him to El Salvador, and that a judge ordered the planes to turn around while they were in the air.

The course of action I outlined could be used against anyone. Even a citizen.

Either we are a nation of laws that are followed in the process of deporting people, or we are a nation where the government can do anything it wants regardless of the law.

You clearly are fine with this and all subsequent administrations violating the law. I am not.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[essentialsaltes]

????

[oops I see this has already been addressed adequately]

The "MS13" is not part of the tattoo, it is a proposed translation of the imagery asserted to be on Abrego Garcia's hand.
marijuana smile = MS.

Following criticism that the deportation of Abrego Garcia was unlawful, Trump posted an image of himself in the Oval Office, holding a picture that the White House said was of Abrego Garcia's hands.

In the image, the left hand has knuckle tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull, which the Trump administration says are symbols for "M", "S", "1", and "3," respectively. Newsweek was unable to verify these claims.

 

[ozso]

So you are okay giving this and all future administrations this power, because you trust that such power will never be abused.

That is your prerogative.

I do not trust any government with that power. It is the power of a dictatorship.

I think it's another made up nonsense fearmonger dictatorship conspiracy theory.

 

[JosephZ]

Two courts have found that he is a member of MS-13.

Attorney General Bondi’s Claim That ‘Courts’ Have ‘Ruled’ That Abrego Garcia Is a Member of MS-13

The AG insists that two “courts” — an immigration court and an appellate court — have “ruled” that Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13. Bondi is new to the federal system but she has been in law enforcement long enough to know that her assertion is deeply misleading.

The court proceedings in connection with the administration’s illegal deportation of Abrego Garcia to El Salvador indicate that he has no known criminal record in any country. That doesn’t mean he is not an MS-13 member — he may well be. But it means the Justice Department hasn’t proved that he is.

The actual issue that those DOJ tribunals “ruled” on was bail, not gang membership.

As Bondi presumably knows, the issue at a bond hearing is not whether the detainee is a member of a criminal organization. The issue is whether there is any condition or combination of conditions that will satisfy the court that, if released, the detainee will neither flee nor pose a danger to the community.

At the hearing, and then on appeal, the DOJ immigration tribunals accepted the government’s evidence for the purpose of determining that Abrego Garcia’s release could pose a danger. But this was not a conclusive finding that he was a member of MS-13...

If the judge denies bail, that doesn’t mean the government has conclusively established that the accused is a member of the criminal organization. It just means the judge has found he should not be released pending trial. It’s a bail ruling, not a finding that the person is guilty.

In claiming that immigration “courts” looked at this evidence and “ruled” that Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member, Bondi skips by the stubborn fact that two actual judicial courts, presided over by actual Article III judges, looked at the same evidence and discounted it — both because it is weak and because it was offered in connection with bail, not with a formal allegation that Abrego Garia was an MS-13 member.

To summarize, then, the two immigration tribunals cited by AG Bondi are not judicial courts and did not rule that Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13; they held that he should be denied bond while his asylum claim was pending. No judicial court has ever adopted the tribunals’ reasoning, in 2019, that the government’s scant evidence proves MS-13 membership.