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Look at a lot of progressive (Catholic) religious communities. Many of their members are in their 80s+ and are closing because of lack of vocations. Many are forced to close or merge.There are Catholics who wish Pope Benedict was still Pope. Pope Francis is failing, but since he has changed the composition of the College of Cardinals to compassionate, environmentally conscious, inclusive progressives they will see a new Pope who is more like the current one.
A lot of people seem to misunderstand that. Literally, the ONLY time the Pope EVER spoke ex-cathedra from the chair was in 1950 by Pope Pius XII when he declared The Assumption as a dogma.The Pope is only infallible when speaking ex cathedra within the council of Bishops.
The Pope is not infallible when just giving an opinion.
I've heard estimates as low as twice (those being the definition of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption) but I've never heard it claimed that an ex cathedra statement has only been made once. On the other end of the spectrum, I've heard an estimate, I believe from Dr. Alan Fimister, that there have been hundreds of ex cathedra statements throughout history. His reasoning was that part of the thesis of Vatican I was that it wasn't defining something new. I think Bishop Gasser made a similar point in his Relatio, but it's been long enough since I've read it that I dont remember.A lot of people seem to misunderstand that. Literally, the ONLY time the Pope EVER spoke ex-cathedra from the chair was in 1950 by Pope Pius XII when he declared The Assumption as a dogma.
Speaking ex-cathedra- from the chair- is incredibly, incredibly rare.
Maybe I should have clarified. SINCE it was defined in Vatican I. Immaculate Conception was defined BEFORE Vatican I.I've heard estimates as low as twice (those being the definition of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption) but I've never heard it claimed that an ex cathedra statement has only been made once. On the other end of the spectrum, I've heard an estimate, I believe from Dr. Alan Fimister, that there have been hundreds of ex cathedra statements throughout history. His reasoning was that part of the thesis of Vatican I was that it wasn't defining something new. I think Bishop Gasser made a similar point in his Relatio, but it's been long enough since I've read it that I dont remember.
Either way, of course, papal infallibility doesn't apply to Pope Francis' statements on border policy.
The progressive religious communities are facing extinction. Kind of like the progressive Protestant denominations. Another pope like pope Francis and Catholics can ask if the whole Church will go extinct.Look at a lot of progressive (Catholic) religious communities. Many of their members are in their 80s+ and are closing because of lack of vocations. Many are forced to close or merge.
Progressive liberalism has NEVER helped the Church.
Look at a lot of progressive (Catholic) religious communities. Many of their members are in their 80s+ and are closing because of lack of vocations. Many are forced to close or merge.
Progressive liberalism has NEVER helped the Church.
Also in 1854 when the Pope declared the Immaculate Conception.A lot of people seem to misunderstand that. Literally, the ONLY time the Pope EVER spoke ex-cathedra from the chair was in 1950 by Pope Pius XII when he declared The Assumption as a dogma.
Speaking ex-cathedra- from the chair- is incredibly, incredibly rare.
OK. Maybe you are right. Do we follow the Word of God or not. Do we follow the Word of God and think abortion is AOK, or do we follow the Word of God and think abortion kills a human being? What do we call those Christians who think abortion is AOK? What do we call those Christians that think abortion kills a human being? Same for the LGBT issue. Same for the illegal entrants to a country. You don't like 'progressive' as a label. How do you then make sense of the difference between two different orders of nuns, one where the novitiate is overflowing with young women wanting to join and the other that has an average age of 80+ and hasn't had a new member in five or ten years? Which group would be the more racially diverse? Which group would act like they are politically progressive? Which group would follow the Word of God? If that's too 'Catholic' for you maybe you could compare the various kinds of Lutherans, or some other groups more familiar to you. Why are some congregations tiny and old while others are large and young? What's going on?Terms like progressive Catholic, conservative Catholic, conservative Christian, and liberal Christian are misleading and political, having no place in Christianity.
Ultimately, the fundamental question is whether we, as Christians, follow the Word of God or not. For Catholics or Orthodox Christians, there may also be additional texts and traditions outside the Bible that are followed. However, the core issue remains obey these these sacred texts.
For Christians, showing mercy to a foreigner who has violated government law is not about progressivism or conservatism; the question is what Jesus says about this issue. Unfortunately, today we often answer these questions from a political perspective.
Of course the words "progressive liberal" has its place in Christian circles, the words apply to many who believe that Christianity and woke liberalism are compatible, it's that simple and will continue to be used exposing the evil apostasy in the ChurchTerms like progressive Catholic, conservative Catholic, conservative Christian, and liberal Christian are misleading and political, having no place in Christianity.
Of course the words "progressive liberal" has its place in Christian circles, the words apply to many who believe that Christianity and woke liberalism are compatible, it's that simple and will continue to be used exposing the evil apostasy in the Church
Do some Christians self-identify as 'progressive' or as 'liberal' or as 'progressive liberals'? I think so. What do they mean when they say that? Is it just their political persuasion overwhelming their faith? If someone objects to the 'progressive' label what better way of classification is there?Of course the words "progressive liberal" has its place in Christian circles, the words apply to many who believe that Christianity and woke liberalism are compatible, it's that simple and will continue to be used exposing the evil apostasy in the Church
Roman Catholicism and The Orthodox hold many traditions that are non-biblical, I will mention a few and spare myself from going into great detailAs Christians, we follow the teachings of the Bible. Additionally, individuals who are Catholic or Orthodox Christians incorporate sacred texts and traditions specific to their denominations.
Why do some people call themselves progressive Christians? Or liberal Christians? It isn't other people labeling them that, but they themselves labeling themselves that."Progressive liberal" and "woke" are political terms unrelated to Christianity.
Thank you for sparing all of us from a repetition of this well worn drivel, quite off topic anyway.Roman Catholicism and The Orthodox hold many traditions that are non-biblical, I will .ention a few and spare myself from going into great detail.
Why do some people call themselves progressive Christians? Or liberal Christians? It isn't other people labeling them that, but they themselves labeling themselves that.
OK. Maybe you are right. Do we follow the Word of God or not. Do we follow the Word of God and think abortion is AOK, or do we follow the Word of God and think abortion kills a human being? What do we call those Christians who think abortion is AOK? What do we call those Christians that think abortion kills a human being? Same for the LGBT issue. Same for the illegal entrants to a country. You don't like 'progressive' as a label. How do you then make sense of the difference between two different orders of nuns, one where the novitiate is overflowing with young women wanting to join and the other that has an average age of 80+ and hasn't had a new member in five or ten years? Which group would be the more racially diverse? Which group would act like they are politically progressive? Which group would follow the Word of God? If that's too 'Catholic' for you maybe you could compare the various kinds of Lutherans, or some other groups more familiar to you. Why are some congregations tiny and old while others are large and young? What's going on?
Progressive liberal will be continued to be used in Christian circles its not going away, many conservative Christians question the validity of those progressive liberals that claim that their part of the Lord's Church on earth, a major reason the term is usedThe terms "progressive Christian" and "conservative Christian" are both incorrect. Both sides identify this way. They seem more eager to display their political ideology than their savior, Jesus Christ.
My point is that as Christians, we should identify as followers of Jesus Christ, rather than basing our identity on secular aspects. We should aim to influence politics with our faith, rather than being influenced by political ideologies.
Unfortunately, today many self-identified progressive Christians seem to be swayed by progressive ideologies. For instance, as you mentioned in another post, why do some Christians consider abortion acceptable? It shouldn't be; abortion is considered murder and a sin regardless of perspective. However, some Christians now believe it is permissible due to their political beliefs.
Similarly, conservative Christians can also be influenced by politics. Some believe that showing mercy to undocumented individuals is unbiblical or that the death penalty is biblically justified. Both progressive and conservative Christians are often equally influenced by their political affiliations.
Progressive liberal will be continued to be used in Christian circles its not going away, many conservative Christians question the validity of those progressive liberals that claim that their part of the Lord's Church on earth, a major reason the term is used
Ye shall know them by their fruits!
Matthew 7:15-18KJV
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
In my opinion and that of many others is that progressive liberals proclaiming to be Christians might not be in the Church on earthIt appears that you perceive progressive Christians are bad while viewing conservative Christians as good. In my opinion, they are equal;
In my opinion and that of many others is that progressive liberals proclaiming to be Christians might not be in the Church on earth
Progressive Liberalism supports women behind pulpits Feminism, condones same sex marriage in homosexuality, condones transgenderism and the woke agenda, on and on (Bad)
Conservatism opposes that mentioned above (Good)
They aren't equal as you claim, and the progressive liberal issues mentioned above pertain to direct biblical teachings
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