The Way International

[bubblegirl0101]

Hi-
I was wondering about The Way International, and whether anyone here has had any experiences with The Way. I'm also interested in discussing your beliefs if you're a member. Thanks!

 

[TheScottsMen]

You can read all about it on http://www.carm.org and many other Chrisitan Cults.

 

[jessedance]

Hi-
I was wondering about The Way International, and whether anyone here has had any experiences with The Way. I'm also interested in discussing your beliefs if you're a member. Thanks!

I am a former memeber of the way international. i was a memeber in from 82-84. most view them as a cult i think even the church i go to does. but i diddnt see much wrongwith thier doctrine. its mostly young people or was when i was in it. they meet in peoples houses and have church services in them. they don't believe Jesus is God but believe that Jesus is the son of god, they believe everyone is baptised in the holy spirit that is saved and that all you have to do to speak in tongues is believe it and do it. they have bummper stickers that say 'SIT' for speak in tongues, they sing from a song book that has about 30 songs in it and thats all they sing. old songs like amazing grace. they drink alchohol , smoke and tell dirty jokes, they see nothing wrong with it. they don't take drugs or condone that. they have camp meetings in some place in ohio once a year. they believe stongly in witnessing. women seem to draw most of the people in . I got baptised in the holy spirit in the way international. they are spirit filled and born again. I left c cause the spirit of god drew me out and into the church i go to now, which i like emenisly better.
I don't view them as a cult. just not your normal church.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

This is what CARM has to say about The Way church....



Headquarters: Just outside of New Knoxville in Ohio

Membership: Over one hundred thousand all over the world.

Doctrines: Like many cult groups, the Way claims the Bible is the word of God, yet it denies the doctrine of Trinity, the deity of Jesus, the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit, and salvation by grace. In regards to the Holy Spirit, Wierwille draws a distinction between the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit. The first is the same thing as the God the Father. Second is an emanation or power from God. Jesus was not born of a virgin. The dead are "unconscious" after death; that is, they don't exist until they are brought back to life in at the judgment. They also deny the efficacious nature of the atonement.
The Way also teaches that Jesus was raised on Saturday and that there were four people crucified with Him, not two. Additionally, only true believers who lived after Pentecost will be saved. The dead are not conscious and will be raised for judgment. Speaking in tongues is taught as a mandatory practice and part of salvation to be cultivated by the members daily.
Also, the Way teaches that once a person is saved, he cannot sin in his spirit. His body and soul can sin, but not his spirit -- this can lead to sinful practices that are said to not affect the spirit of a person.

Origins: According to Wierwille, in 1942 God audibly spoke to him and told him that he would interpret the Bible in a new way and that he would teach it according to the principles of the early church. But it wasn't until 1957 that Wierwille resigned his pastorate in the United Church of Christ.
He developed a radio program and began to preach his new doctrines fervently. Many began to follow. Presently, they have a college in Kansas called The Way College of Emporia. Of course, Wierwille's aberrant theology is taught.

Publications: Jesus Christ is not God, by V.P. Wierwille.

Comments: The Way International uses many of the same arguments as the Jehovah's Witnesses in regard to the Trinity and the deity of Jesus. The Way teaches that God cannot die, therefore Jesus was not God in flesh. They fail to understand that the Word which was God and with God had always existed (John 1:1) and became flesh (John 1:14). This incarnation of the Word is Jesus. Jesus had Two Natures. He was both God and man. As a man, he could die, yet as God, He continued on.
The people in The Way International need to be prayed for and given the same consideration and politeness anyone lost in deception should receive.

 

[jessedance]

well, from my experience , I knew the Lord when i was in that church and i feel they know the lord too.they have some positive beliefs, Jesus isn't god, god cannot die, jesus is the son of god, speaking in tongues and some wrong ones, like everybody that is born again is able to speak in tongues and is baptised in the holy spirit., smoking and drinking aclchol is ok,
rejecting the trinity is a plus too,
4 people crucified with Jesus? well they got biblical support, i don't think it matters if 2 or 4 were crucified with jesus. at least not that much. its not a biggie.

 

[ByGrace]

well, from my experience , I knew the Lord when i was in that church and i feel they know the lord too.they have some positive beliefs, Jesus isn't god, god cannot die, jesus is the son of god, speaking in tongues and some wrong ones, like everybody that is born again is able to speak in tongues and is baptised in the holy spirit., smoking and drinking aclchol is ok,
rejecting the trinity is a plus too,
4 people crucified with Jesus? well they got biblical support, i don't think it matters if 2 or 4 were crucified with jesus. at least not that much. its not a biggie.

Simply rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ is enough to proclaim them a cult.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Simply rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ is enough to proclaim them a cult.

What stuck out to me was the guy who claimed that God spoke to him and told him that he would interrpert the Bible in a "new" way that was like the "early church". Sound like anyone else we have talked about on this forum?

Grace

 

[Rescued One]

Simply rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ is enough to proclaim them a cult.

Amen.

 

[chaindog]

Simply rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ is enough to proclaim them a cult.

So are you saying that Jesus Christ is in a cult? Jesus denied his own divinity several times in the gospels.

Chaindog

 

[ByGrace]

So are you saying that Jesus Christ is in a cult? Jesus denied his own divinity several times in the gospels.

Chaindog

That is not true. Jesus placed Himself in submission to the will of the Father but always maintained that He and the Father were equal also. Jesus accepted worship which is only something that God can do. Jesus is the manifestation of the Father in the flesh and never ceased to be God at any moment but humbled His will to further Glorify Himself by saving His people.

 

[jessedance]

What stuck out to me was the guy who claimed that God spoke to him and told him that he would interrpert the Bible in a "new" way that was like the "early church". Sound like anyone else we have talked about on this forum?

Grace

well , victor and his followers have more revelation than if they had stayed in the church victor came from. I'd rather go to his church, he's dead now, than the church he came out of in a heart beat. he died just wheen i left in late 84.

 

[jessedance]

That is not true. Jesus placed Himself in submission to the will of the Father but always maintained that He and the Father were equal also. Jesus accepted worship which is only something that God can do. Jesus is the manifestation of the Father in the flesh and never ceased to be God at any moment but humbled His will to further Glorify Himself by saving His people.

well if jesus is god and there is only one god then god died and was dead for 3 days and 3 nights and the world had no god cause there was none. wonder who revived god since he was dead?

 

[Rescued One]

well if jesus is god and there is only one god then god died and was dead for 3 days and 3 nights and the world had no god cause there was none. wonder who revived god since he was dead?

That's easy.

1. Acts 10 : 39-40 — God raised Christ from the dead.
2. 1 Thessalonians 1 : 10 — God the Father raised the Son from the dead.

3. Romans 8 : 11 — God the Spirit raised the Son from the dead.

4. John 2 : 19-22 — God the Son raised Himself from the dead.

 

[jessedance]

That's easy.

1. Acts 10 : 39-40 — God raised Christ from the dead.
2. 1 Thessalonians 1 : 10 — God the Father raised the Son from the dead.

3. Romans 8 : 11 — God the Spirit raised the Son from the dead.

4. John 2 : 19-22 — God the Son raised Himself from the dead.

ah but my supposition supposes there is only one god not 3. remember god the son is dead and there is only one god so there is no god to raise himself from the dead. also, if god the son is dead he can't do anything. so there would be no one to raise god the son from the dead if he is the only god there is . unless maybe he was only playing like he was dead?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

That is not true. Jesus placed Himself in submission to the will of the Father but always maintained that He and the Father were equal also. Jesus accepted worship which is only something that God can do. Jesus is the manifestation of the Father in the flesh and never ceased to be God at any moment but humbled His will to further Glorify Himself by saving His people.

correct. Jesus never denied His own divinity. In fact, just by claiming that He was the son of God and that he came from Heaven, He was claiming His divinity. He was claiming to have the same Nature as God, which is something that only God has. God is not the same nature as man and Jesus claiming to be God's son, was a claim that He had the same Nature as God. Another thing, only God can forgive sin yet Jesus was forgiving people's sin all over the place. Jesus never denied His diety, never.

Grace

 

[jessedance]

correct. Jesus never denied His own divinity.
Grace

jesus never denied a lot of things. he never denied that he was a woman , that doesnt prove he was a w oman. jesus never denied he was a dog that doesnt prove he was a dog.

 

[gort]

ah but my supposition supposes there is only one god not 3. remember god the son is dead and there is only one god so there is no god to raise himself from the dead. also, if god the son is dead he can't do anything. so there would be no one to raise god the son from the dead if he is the only god there is . unless maybe he was only playing like he was dead?

jesus never denied a lot of things. he never denied that he was a woman , that doesnt prove he was a w oman. jesus never denied he was a dog that doesnt prove he was a dog.

Are we just playing games here JD? With God all things are possible. He certainly has'nt told me all things, and neither you, nor anyone else. These discussions regarding the Trinity are relegated to the understandings with which mans lineal and sometimes binary brain functions are somewhat limited. While I believe in the Trinity, the understanding is a spiritual one, and not a physical one. Just as my wife and I are "one". Just as the Holy Spirit indwells me.

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[happyinhisgrace]

jesus never denied a lot of things. he never denied that he was a woman , that doesnt prove he was a w oman. jesus never denied he was a dog that doesnt prove he was a dog.

LOL, apperently this is the only part of my post that you saw when reading.

He never denied His divinity and He did claim it. He was and is divine.

Grace

 

[jessedance]

LOL, apperently this is the only part of my post that you saw when reading.

He never denied His divinity and He did claim it. He was and is divine.

Grace

he didn't claim he was god. people interpret scripture to mean it or they use spurios scirpture to prove it.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

he didn't claim he was god. people interpret scripture to mean it or they use spurios scirpture to prove it.

jessedance, what was the jewish view of God's nature and man's nature at the time of Jesus on this earth?

Grace