The Unbalanced View Of Christ

[Hazelelponi]

Thanks for that, not sure how it applies to me. However, I am reminded of the following passages.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:17)

The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22)

Answer this - what is the Judgement?

Meaning, upon what are we judged?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Answer this - what is the Judgement?

Meaning, upon what are we judged?

The book of people's hearts are opened up and the contents are judged according to how they judge others.

Those written in the book of life are judged as if they are Jesus. Those written in the book of life can be judged according to the first criteria if they do not forgive people.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The book of people's hearts are opened up and the contents are judged according to how they judge others.

Those written in the book of life are judged as if they are Jesus. Those written in the book of life can be judged according to the first criteria if they do not forgive people.

We are either judged according to works apart from Christ (damnation) or we are judged according to Christ - whether we are in Him.

If we are in Christ we aren't quietly letting people go to perdition.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We are either judged according to works apart from Christ (damnation) or we are judged according to Christ - whether we are in Him.

If we are in Christ we aren't quietly letting people go to perdition.

I can't bapticostal anymore. I just go by what the bible says.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I can't bapticostal anymore. I just go by what the bible says.

This makes no sense at all. If you don't want to discuss Scripture then just say so... It's more polite.

But I will note, Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.

 

[d taylor]

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A born again child of God is not judged. They are only judged as a loss or gain for rewards at the judgment seat of Jesus.

 

[rjs330]

So, where's the imbalanced view of Christ? It's the one that fails to apply both Holiness AND Grace, Mercy and Love all at the same time. One is not a precondition for the other. But somehow, the doctrines of some churches are such that the precondition overrides the church polity.

Yes, both are critical in this discussion.
Jesus proclaimed both positions. After all he did talk about sin, and gave commands besides love your neighbor. He also spoke of grace and mercy. It's the balanced version. He talked about sin and wickedness. And talked about love and mercy.

 

[rjs330]

Thanks for that, not sure how it applies to me. However, I am reminded of the following passages.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:17)

The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22)

The world is already condemned. Jesus purpose for coming was to provide salvation for a condemned world.

One day Jesus will judge the world and send all unbelievers into punishment. But his purpose for coming was not to punish. Thats coming.

And it's not our place to punish people for their sin. They are already condemned.

We are to preach repentance. Thats not judging.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

This makes no sense at all. If you don't want to discuss Scripture then just say so... It's more polite.

But I will note, Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.

I was discussing scripture, then you presented an either or scenario that excluded the scriptures I was referencing. Thus, I cannot bapticostal.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The world is already condemned. Jesus purpose for coming was to provide salvation for a condemned world.

One day Jesus will judge the world and send all unbelievers into punishment. But his purpose for coming was not to punish. Thats coming.

And it's not our place to punish people for their sin. They are already condemned.

We are to preach repentance. Thats not judging.

It's not so much about judging, but judging without mercy. Since our ancestors ate the fruit of knowing good and evil, every thought is by nature judging.

The way you judge others, is how you will be judged: Jesus said, Paul said, James said.

 

[rjs330]

Those written in the book of life can be judged according to the first criteria if they do not forgive people.

Not sure what this means. We are to forgive those who have sinned against us. Which is about the love and mercy.

But we can't forgive those who are sinners. And we can't preach repentance without mentioning that people are lost and need a savior.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Not sure what this means. We are to forgive those who have sinned against us. Which is about the love and mercy.

But we can't forgive those who are sinners. And we can't preach repentance without mentioning that people are lost and need a savior.

In the same way that you commit adultery by imagining it, and commit murder through hate; the same way imagining all of humanity going to hell is you taking God's place and judging them in your mind. Thus, you will be judged the same way you judged them.

 

[rjs330]

Thus, you will be judged the same way you judged them.

That's incorrect. Judging is NOT about mentioning sinful acts. Otherwise Paul.is very guilty of it. As well as Peter.

Judging is NOT mentioning sinful acts. Did you thinking was?

For example. Lying is a sin. I cannot forgive my neighbor for lying to his boss. However I can tell my neighbor it was wrong to lie to his boss.

 

[rjs330]

for ye were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord: walk as children of light Be not ye therefore partakers with them; (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth), proving what is well-pleasing unto the Lord; and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them;

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 5:8, Ephesians 5:7, Ephesians 5:9, Ephesians 5:10, Ephesians 5:11 - American Standard Version

for ye were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord: walk as children of light

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[Fervent]

I'm curious what you want Christ to be "balanced" with? Is God not unbalanced light, with no shadow of variance? Balance implies that there are two competing forces that are pulling against each other. So do you want to balance Jesus' goodness with a bit of evil? Or how exactly do you mean that our image of Jesus must be "balanced"?

 

[Aaron112]

The Father judges no one,

He will render to each one according to his works:

to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality,
he will give eternal life;

but for those who are self-seeking
and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil,

the Jew first and also the Greek,

but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.

For God shows no partiality.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That's incorrect. Judging is NOT about mentioning sinful acts. Otherwise Paul.is very guilty of it. As well as Peter.

Judging is NOT mentioning sinful acts. Did you thinking was?

For example. Lying is a sin. I cannot forgive my neighbor for lying to his boss. However I can tell my neighbor it was wrong to lie to his boss.

I wasn't talking about that, but if you feel guilty about it, feel free to pray regarding it.

In general, we should treat others the way God has treated us. Since God regards some of the least of humanity as His proxy: the way we treat them, God will deem this our treatment of Him.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He will render to each one according to his works:

to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality,
he will give eternal life;

but for those who are self-seeking
and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil,

the Jew first and also the Greek,

but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.

For God shows no partiality.

The righteous live by faith, and faith that doesn't show compassion to others is dead.

All judgment is entrusted to the Son.

God shows no partiality.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I was discussing scripture, then you presented an either or scenario that excluded the scriptures I was referencing. Thus, I cannot bapticostal.

What I said was in Scripture according to Scripture.

I am used to talking to atheists who hate being told what I am writing is in the Bible or Christians who already know Scripture and scriptural principles.

So I don't reference chapter and verses as if I'm a teacher. But I almost always talk about Biblical principles and Bible verses... It's fairly rare I don't..

In order to know whether something is unjust, you have to know what is actually just in the end. So yes, we judge. And nothing in the Bible says not to, we have to or we will fall into deception.

We just can't do so when we sit blinded by our own sins and we don't hold in our hand what is God's.

But if there's a way that is right and just for a man to walk in, then that is the way we must uphold before men. Not wrongly or hypocritically, but justly and rightly.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't want to turn this thread into a mental illness thread, but I do agree that mental illness is real. I have worked with mentally ill people for many years. The mind is part of the body and the body experiences illness. So does the mind.

But I a curious now this applies to our discussion on the unbalanced view of Christ.

I think most of the sins were actually talking about, the majority of liberalists claim are NOT caused by mental illness.