The Two Witnesses are Enoch and Elijah

[yeshuasavedme]

Obviously, you are not willing to receive it, so when Elijah DOES NOT appear as one of the two witnesses...you'll receive it.

Elijah will not be appearing....:

Your doctrine is not Bible doctrine.
I have received the testimony of the Gospel witness which the Holy Spirit witnessed to my inner man.
John fore-ran that Messiah with the Gospel, and he did so in the Spirit and the power of Elijah, which Spirit and Power is the Holy Ghost power of the prophets of old.

Elijah must come in person, and with Him is Elijah, but they do not come to the Church, which is no longer on earth at that time, but they come to ISrael as eyewitnesses of the Messiah's incarnation, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and glory.
They tell it to Israel in the streets of Jerusalem, and at least 144,000 believe them and receive the message and are themselves translated to glory mid-trib, without dying, as firstfruits of the last harvest which comes at the end of the Millennial Sabbath.
Pentecost is the first harvest ingathered, which is the "fulness of the Gentiles come in"; and before the gleanings of first harvest are gathered into "heaven's barn" =the martyrs of the tribulation", the firstfruits of the last harvest [the 144,000 of Israel's twelve tribes redeemed from among men] are ingathered to heaven's barn =translated without dying, as all will be who enter the millennial reign, for the righteous will never die again, when the seventh Day begins.

 

[Jon Anon]

THE VISION:

To join back together the lost 10 tribes with the 2 tribes that Make up geographical Israel today

Israel was one whole nation and was called the "firstborn son of God". Then it became divided after King Solomon

Judah and benjamin made up the southern kingdom

The other 10 tribes made up the northern kingdom

When the southern kingdom and the northern kingdom become joined again both houses will become one and be called "Israel my firstborn son"



Same story as Adam and Eve Eve was always in Adam but was brought forth from Adam.

The 2 separated and then joined to produce the physical temple

In the end Adam and Eve are separated but will join after the furnace of affliction and come into union to produce a spiritual kingdom from the physical kingdom they started in the beginning

Adam and Eve are the firstborn son of God just as the nation of Israel though in a separated state right now will be considered the "firstborn son of God" the masculine and feminine joined





Key
Blue = witness representing king side of Jesus
Pink = witness representing priest side of Jesus
Orange = both witnesses working together






You see the 2 witnesses in the volume of the book:
Adam Eve
Moses Aaron
Enoch Elijah
Zerubbabel Joshua

The stories in the bible of each of these people and many more represent parts the 2 witnesses will play in the endtimes

When The word says I will send you Elijah before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord that is the office that will be displayed at that time. The office of Elijah

And yet the Elijah office will also turn into the Aaron office and the Joshua office and the Eve office a these are all the priestly sides

The office of Enoch will also turn into the office of Moses and the office of Zerubbabel and Adam..etc

Both sides will have many roles between Them and we know the first role will be the coming of the Elijah office to give the people the chance to repent before judgement comes

This will be a backwards exodus from the One in moses time

The lost 10 tribes(northern kingdom) went into captivity by the assyrians and never returned to their land

135 years later the other 2 tribes the southern kingdom went into captivity by the babylonians

The southern kingdom did regroup and are the 2 tribes that make up geographical Israel today


I believe the lost 10 tribes are in the land of milk and honey just as God promised they would be which is the United States the nation that has all the riches of the world

Those lost 10 tribes people have turned their land of milk and honey into a land of EGYPT(full of idols) and have turned away from God

God will take those lost 10 tribe people out of the Egypt they have created kicking and screaming because those people love their houses, cars , electronics...etc more than they love God

So God will take them out of the country using the enemy to overcome them take them out of the land of milk and honey into the desert, into slavery for 42 months until they become a holy people again

Then God raises up the Moses and Aaron type(two witnesses) to lead the people and teach them righteousness and to divide the sea once again so the jews will know this is the moshiach they have waited for and all will be led back to Jesus and Israel will be one again and be called the "Israel my firstborn son"

Article from 2011:
During our Bible study tour of Egypt this past week, we visited the two suggested sites of the Israelites crossing. The most compelling archeological find is the above pillar that was placed by Solomon to be a memorial of the Israelite crossing led by Moses. The day at the sight is quite fun as we pull out our Bibles and discuss the various geographical markers. The pillar itself has had the etchings removed. Isaiah 19:19 states “In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. ” Could this pillar be that monument?

Explorer Ron Wyatt in 1984 wrote that there was a matching pillar was found on the other side of the Gulf in Saudi Arabia. On the Saudi pillar were Hebrew inscriptions that included the words, “Mizraim” (Egypt), Pharaoh, Moses, death, water, Yahweh, Solomon and Edom.

The name of the place where the pillar is placed is called Nuweiba, or Nuwayba, short for Nuwayba al Muzayyinah which means “waters of Moses opening.” For those of you who enjoy snorkeling or scuba diving there are remains of chariots and wheels under water at the site too. A Bible-based study tour of Egypt is critical to see sites that are important to the Jewish and Christian faith






Isaiah19:

19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one(two witnesses), and he shall deliver them.

Notice 2 pillars one on left side and one on the right side of the crossing:

This is showing a 2nd exodus if you read it as it says second time and as it was.(highlighted below

Isaiah 11:
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

NEXT VERSE PARTING OF THE SEA A SECOND TIME
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.


When the jews see this they will know that this is the moashiach they have waited for and the 2 witnesses will lead the jews to Jesus for salvation and ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE JOINED BACK TOGETHER and the OLIVE TREE WILL BE ONEZechariah 3


Key:
One witness is a "Priest" and one witness is a "King"

Pink/violet = "Priest"
Blue = "King"
orange = "both king and priest working together"



King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

 

[Jon Anon]

Zechariah 4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.

2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be thesetwo olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Zechariah 6

King James Version (KJV)

6 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.

2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?

5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.

7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.

8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

9 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

10 Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;

11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.

15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the Lord, and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.

Last Edited by waterman on 05/27/2013 04:20 PM
Heed the warning or endure the mourning

 

[Jon Anon]

The physical kingdom was brought forth by 2 and the spiritual kingdom will be brought together by 2 in the end

To bring forth the physical kingdom Adam had to be split to reproduce:

Genesis 5:

5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

To bring forth the Christian, the nation of Israel had to be split

Now you have 2 houses that need to join and become one again

2 become 1:

If you can see the division of Israel was to bring forth the Christian then you will be able to see the two houses are one the Jewish nation and the other the Christian nation:

The problem is this nation is no longer a Christian nation according to the President but it is a nation made up of many religions:




Deut 4:34:
Or has God ever ventured to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by an outstretched arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?


God will take his lost 10 tribes out of the midst of another nation(united states), just as he did before with the hebrew children from Egypt

But this time it will be by nuclear war and the enemy will take those lost 10 tribes into slavery by boat for 42 months and this furnace of affliction will make these christians a holy people again once all their idols are gone(houses cars, computers electronics, etc) basically read deut 28 to see what is coming it is under curses of a nation that turns away from God that once knew God

Once that nation is in slavery in other countries for 42 months God will raise up the 2 witnesses to lead the people just as he raised up moses and Aaron:

The jews are the other house and they are looking for the moses(moshiach) they believe is coming

When the exodus of the 42 months of captivity comes this moses and Aaron type 2 witnesses will be able to do whatever they want is is recorded in Revelation 11

What they will do is divide the red sea again and then the Jews will know this is the moshiach they have been waiting for and the 2 witnesses will lead the Jewish people to Jesus as salvation and all of Israel will be one again:

The exact spot of where the crossing occurred was marked by solomon with a pillar at the red sea:

Isaiah19:

19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one(two witnesses), and he shall deliver them.

Notice 2 pillars one on left side and one on the right side of the crossing:

This is showing a 2nd exodus if you read it as it says second time and as it was.(highlighted below

Isaiah 11:
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

NEXT VERSE PARTING OF THE SEA A SECOND TIME
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.


When the jews see this they will know that this is the moashiach they have waited for and the 2 witnesses will lead the jews to Jesus for salvation and ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE JOINED BACK TOGETHER and the OLIVE TREE WILL BE ONEZechariah 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Cao9XdnoI

 

[ebedmelech]

Your doctrine is not Bible doctrine.
I have received the testimony of the Gospel witness which the Holy Spirit witnessed to my inner man.
John fore-ran that Messiah with the Gospel, and he did so in the Spirit and the power of Elijah, which Spirit and Power is the Holy Ghost power of the prophets of old.

Elijah must come in person, and with Him is Elijah, but they do not come to the Church, which is no longer on earth at that time, but they come to ISrael as eyewitnesses of the Messiah's incarnation, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and glory.
They tell it to Israel in the streets of Jerusalem, and at least 144,000 believe them and receive the message and are themselves translated to glory mid-trib, without dying, as firstfruits of the last harvest which comes at the end of the Millennial Sabbath.
Pentecost is the first harvest ingathered, which is the "fulness of the Gentiles come in"; and before the gleanings of first harvest are gathered into "heaven's barn" =the martyrs of the tribulation", the firstfruits of the last harvest [the 144,000 of Israel's twelve tribes redeemed from among men] are ingathered to heaven's barn =translated without dying, as all will be who enter the millennial reign, for the righteous will never die again, when the seventh Day begins.

This is not doctrine. This is interpretation of God saying He would send Elijah the prophet.

Now how did He say He would do it? Malachi 5:5, 6:
5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.
6 He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

Now what did Jesus say of John? You read it...believe it.

When it comes to Revelation 11, the first thing that has to be understood is John is communicating in symbols. If you don't get that, you'll never get it.

You can read the passage and know this is not Moses and Elijah based on how John says you can understand the two witnesses. He said:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
6 These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

The descriptions given there by John clearly say the two witnesses are like Joshua and Zerubbabel of Zechariah 3 & 4...as well as Moses and Elijah.

Work with that!

 

[SG9]

Two witnesses, bottom line, are the Father and the Son, simply, the beginning and the ending coming together.

then are endless parallel's, and the purpose is to bring contrast in law and between the flesh and the spirit so that we as men may make the upright decisions without being deceived.

Our left and right brain halves are as two witnesses, and all left and right body parts, as a parallel to the parable of the Body of the Church as like the Body of the human where all parts have a certain duty and function, and each having it's witness in contrast.

There are some parallel's more popular than others, and are used in endless stories written by men and women. The movies are endlessly portraying the Two Witnesses in symbolism such as the movies where a black man and a white man are escaped convicts and are chained together, and do not get along. Their captivity is in reference to our current world captivity to spiritual Egypt, and their colors are a symbol for this phenomenon to occur within "man".

The two men on crosses on either side of Christ crucified are as the same image.

Others are ever so popular, Batman and Robin, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, The Odd Couple, I Spy, and any alike. I believe by evidence that the real identity and essence of the Two Witnesses is washed away from our minds by the repeated exposure to all of the various forms in symbolism that is made by man.

I'm looking at the spiritual anatomy of the human mind and how the spiritual mind is affected by watching television and movies, etc, in fact, anything of humankind.

Thanks (Just thinking out loud)

 

[ebedmelech]

Two witnesses, bottom line, are the Father and the Son, simply, the beginning and the ending coming together.

then are endless parallel's, and the purpose is to bring contrast in law and between the flesh and the spirit so that we as men may make the upright decisions without being deceived.

Our left and right brain halves are as two witnesses, and all left and right body parts, as a parallel to the parable of the Body of the Church as like the Body of the human where all parts have a certain duty and function, and each having it's witness in contrast.

There are some parallel's more popular than others, and are used in endless stories written by men and women. The movies are endlessly portraying the Two Witnesses in symbolism such as the movies where a black man and a white man are escaped convicts and are chained together, and do not get along. Their captivity is in reference to our current world captivity to spiritual Egypt, and their colors are a symbol for this phenomenon to occur within "man".

The two men on crosses on either side of Christ crucified are as the same image.

Others are ever so popular, Batman and Robin, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, The Odd Couple, I Spy, and any alike. I believe by evidence that the real identity and essence of the Two Witnesses is washed away from our minds by the repeated exposure to all of the various forms in symbolism that is made by man.

I'm looking at the spiritual anatomy of the human mind and how the spiritual mind is affected by watching television and movies, etc, in fact, anything of humankind.

Thanks (Just thinking out loud)

While you're thinking out loud...think about this. Jesus is the judge...so how can He be a witness...

Jesus told the apostles at His ascension that they would be His witnesses, they started the church...and the church serves as witnesses of the power of the gospel, as well as sharing the gospel.

 

[SG9]

While you're thinking out loud...think about this. Jesus is the judge...so how can He be a witness...

Jesus told the apostles at His ascension that they would be His witnesses, they started the church...and the church serves as witnesses of the power of the gospel, as well as sharing the gospel.

It's explained in my post, just gotta slow down and think it over and what it says. Not to be rude, just realistic, mind you.

The first thing is to bear in mind what is coming, the Son comes with the Spirit of the Father, and is Glorified. As I stated, there are endless parallel's, and you mentioned even more, thank you.

In one perspective, one phenomenon is between the flesh and the spirit, and to settle all law and order between the two so that the 'saved' may be glorified in flesh. It's a complicated anatomy just like that of the flesh, so does the spirit have an anatomy.

I speak of things that you have not heard of, and I apologize. These are things that I learned on my own by examining the scriptures and the Cross in reference to the human form and the Law of God that is supposedly written in His children.

The bottom line is that I look for what is said to be arriving, the Son comes with the Ancient of days, whom is the Father. All other things are symbols and told in allegory, and etc.

Thanks

 

[Shocker]

Man, I felt like when the Mormons showed up with their flash cards..

 

[SG9]

Man, I felt like when the Mormons showed up with their flash cards..

I suggest that since you are new, you should read the forum rules and think before you post, thank you.

 

[Shocker]

I suggest that since you are new, you should read the forum rules and think before you post, thank you.

you may be right..

 

[SG9]

you may be right..

With respect, it's the 'right' thing to do, just so to keep peace.

 

[Shocker]

With respect, it's the 'right' thing to do, just so to keep peace.

With respect, you may be right.

 

[MithrandirOlorin888]

The Angel's statement to John is verification that Saved Humans will above the Angels in the Resurrection.

I mentioned extra Biblical arguments only supplemental to my points. People holding other views need make extra Biblical traditions the foundation of their viewpoint.

 

[TPeterY]

After the church is raptured away, the focus of the bible will now be on the Jewish people in Israel. The two witnesses come on the scene at the beginning of the tribulation. Their goal is to lead the Jews to Jesus, and others as well, but mainly the Jews.

It's no secret, Elijah is sure to come. For the 2nd witness, ask yourself this question, "who's the best biblical character in the bible that the Jews will most likely listen and believe?" Remember, they rejected John the Baptist and even Jesus. They wanted a messiah that bare resemblance to their first deliverer.

Who delivered them from out of bondage in Egypt? Who performed plagues against Egypt and the Pharaoh? What will the witnesses do with their power?

Revelation 11:6 (NKJV)
These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

From the teachings of their ancestors, the Jews have always embraced the Law and reject everything else. What would they think if "THE LAW" told them to forget the Law and embrace Grace? And he will perform many of those same plagues upon them as he once did in Egypt till they realize who he is.

Enoch would be nice but The Jews won't listen to him. Hebrew 9:27 is fine but many will never face death after the rapture. And many more in (and after) the millennium.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

 

[John S]

1. The church will NOT be Raptured away.
2. The Bible does NOT focus on the Jews. It focuses on the Israelites, of which the Jews are only one Tribe - Judah.

 

[Shocker]

the Jews are only one Tribe - Judah.

Paul referred to himself as a Jew.

And he was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Act_21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Kinda makes your statement false.

Do you know why they are called Jews?

 

[MithrandirOlorin888]

I'm Mid-Trib on the Rapture. The Church is still here during the first half, but the Focus is already turning towards Israel, it has since 1948.

I addressed those Arguments. We're Resurrected at the Rapture, Enoch wasn't. People Born in the Millennium are not born entirely under Adam's curse as we are. They will be born to already Resurrected parents.

Yehsua said none Ascended unto the Faith before his first Advent, so where did Elijah and Enoch go?

Two peoples were taken out of the Earth, Two are coming back. It's simple as that.

 

[ebedmelech]

Paul referred to himself as a Jew.

And he was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Act_21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Kinda makes your statement false.

Do you know why they are called Jews?

Keep in mind Benjamin was part of Judah n the "divided kingdom".

I'm of the belief that tribal affiliation doesn't matter anymore...it's about the "Israel of God".

That's the 144,000...the fullness of all of God's redeemed Jew and Gentile...

I also agree with John S. The church is going to be here for the duration! The only rapture is in conjunction with the resurrection when living saints are caught up.

There will not be a "catching away" of the church.

 

[John S]

Keep in mind Benjamin was part of Judah n the "divided kingdom".

I'm of the belief that tribal affiliation doesn't matter anymore...it's about the "Israel of God".

That's the 144,000...the fullness of all of God's redeemed Jew and Gentile...

I also agree with John S. The church is going to be here for the duration! The only rapture is in conjunction with the resurrection when living saints are caught up.

There will not be a "catching away" of the church.

1. It isn't often when someone agrees with me on anything.
2. Saying that - Tribal affiliation DOES matter. 12,000 from each Tribe will make up the Elect, except for Dan. I would like to think that I know where they might be but God KNOWS where they are.