The name of "Allah"

[visionary]

Vatican Wades Into Malaysia ‘Allah’ Debate - Asia-Pacific - News - OnIslam.net

I could see the reason why Muslims would be so angry over the use of the name "Allah"... as the distinction would be lost. We have many claims to different "gods" through out the world. The name and way to worship anyone's particular god, is part of that god's identity. Now if you have a religion, not of your own, claim your god's name, while in keeping with your distinct view of the characteristics of another god, it would be like some archeologist finding a Yeshua idol in India upon which the entire village worships. But of course, in the Muslim world, this is paramount to asking for a killing spree. Tolerance is not in their vocabulary.

So how is this latest incidence relate to us? Jewish rabbis such as Saadiah Gaon and Maimonides who wrote their great works in Arabic referred to God as "Allah". So the material is out there. Just as a comic drawing sparked a flash fire of rage across the body of Islam, so can this spark of indignation over what is going on in Malaysia can ignite another flash fire of rage across the Islamic Jihad world on all findings of "Allah" outside of Muslim literature.

ON the other hand, those who claim it is good to use "Allah" in evangelistic efforts, say that it breaks down the barriers of differences and allows the gospel to be told.

 

[pat34lee]

Since the demon-deity of Islam has no connection with YHWH of the scriptures, there is no reason to name it. Could it be that the two you mentioned were writing Elah or Eloah (God), since the spelling is the same but these are actual Hebrew titles?

 

[visionary]

The use of Islamic Sources in Saadia

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Being an ex Muslim I would liek to provide a simple fact for your people. Allah literally means The God and was a title given to many god in Wathaniyya Arabia or Pre-islamic cultures.

Yahweh is Allah by definition as he is One God. But Allah is a title not a name of a specific God. This is why Muslims have a full set of names listed in usage of dhikr when they recite the attributes of Allah.

Allah is not the Christian god but the Christian God is not the Judaic god either due to the Trinity.

Christian Arabs use the name Allah all the time and I myself despite not being Muslim use the name Allah. If you understand Arabic you would know that is not a mistranslation of a Hebrew word if it has an Arabic meaning..... al-ilah or The God(male) or Allah which is The God(no gender).

Many do not even understand the basic Arabic they are using when speaking of a deity

 

[visionary]

Being an ex Muslim I would liek to provide a simple fact for your people. Allah literally means The God and was a title given to many god in Wathaniyya Arabia or Pre-islamic cultures.

Yahweh is Allah by definition as he is One God. But Allah is a title not a name of a specific God. This is why Muslims have a full set of names listed in usage of dhikr when they recite the attributes of Allah.

Allah is not the Christian god but the Christian God is not the Judaic god either due to the Trinity.

Christian Arabs use the name Allah all the time and I myself despite not being Muslim use the name Allah. If you understand Arabic you would know that is not a mistranslation of a Hebrew word if it has an Arabic meaning..... al-ilah or The God(male) or Allah which is The God(no gender).

Many do not even understand the basic Arabic they are using when speaking of a deity

I am not going to debate you point on the Christian God and the Judaic God not being being the same God. Although I would love to have a thread where we could discuss such an idea.

On the subject of using the term "Allah", since you are more familiar than a lot of us, what is your take on all regions using it when talking about their God?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

I am not going to debate you point on the Christian God and the Judaic God not being being the same God. Although I would love to have a thread where we could discuss such an idea.

I will make a separate thread discussing this issue later on so we can debate this topic, very healthy discussion.

On the subject of using the term "Allah", since you are more familiar than a lot of us, what is your take on all regions using it when talking about their God?

Well keep in mind as record int he Qur'an and Sahih Bukhari many times. Muhammad states that the people of Makkah have given Allah daughters, he is referring to the chief deity of that time in the Kaaba.

Surat al-An'aam Ayat 136
"And the polytheists assign to Allah from that which He created of crops and livestock a share and say, "This is for Allah ," by their claim, " and this is for our partners [associated with Him]." But what is for their "partners" does not reach Allah , while what is for Allah - this reaches their "partners." Evil is that which they rule."​

The names given to god are always recycled in due part to linguistic barriers.
Phrases such as Bismillah are used by Christians just like Muslims. It means "In the name of god".

People should not concern themselves with such issues honestly. This is why religions around the world use specific attributes in accordance to their deity. Hindus have hundreds of variants for ever deity they believe in and the names are endless. Muslims have 99. Jews have always used the term "The god of Isaac, Jacob and Abraham"(I forget the exact order).

I am a Wathaniyya revisionist meaning I am hell bent on restoring the pre-Islamic culture and Persian Gnosticism. So I use the word Allah excessively and say many things in which may think one to think that I am a Muslim.

Allah has existed before Islam, before the Quraysh tribe and before them. The specifics of the god are what really matter.


So if you wish to decipher the nature of a deity and its relation to Christianity you must understand the Deities attributes, not its name.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Aleph Lamed
AL
El

 

[SayaOtonashi]

10 chars

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Aleph Lamed
AL
El

What I thought is that it is al-El, from Elohim.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Interesting situation.

 

[Hoshiyya]

What I thought is that it is al-El, from Elohim.

Elohim (ALHYM) is plural of Eloah (ALWH) derivate of the multi-faceted triconsonantal root ALH which is often contracted or abbreviated El (AL).
I'm using "A" to represent Aleph and "W" to represent Waw.

 

[Gospel Guy]

Allah literally means The God and was a title given to many god in Wathaniyya Arabia or Pre-islamic cultures.

Actually, it means moon god and as such is just another false god which means it's a devil.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Actually, it means moon god and as such is just another false god which means it's a devil.

Do you understand Arabic?.

Allah does not mean Moon God. If that was true it would be written Qamara-ilah but it is not. Please know what you are saying before you say it.
I highly recommend you to understand Arabic before hand.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

Do you understand Arabic?.

Allah does not mean Moon God. If that was true it would be written Qamara-ilah but it is not. Please know what you are saying before you say it.
I highly recommend you to understand Arabic before hand.

Yes...perhaps if the poster could learn some basic Arabic along with some basic Hebrew to compare, this would be very helpful...

 

[pat34lee]

Do you understand Arabic?.

Allah does not mean Moon God. If that was true it would be written Qamara-ilah but it is not. Please know what you are saying before you say it.
I highly recommend you to understand Arabic before hand.

I don't know about the meaning, but I have read in several places that it was part of the 360 pagan deities of the Arabs before islam, and was the moon god. Please read the following links and let me know what you think:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Muhammad, Allah’s Messenger, stole Islam from Qusayy’s heirs. | undiscoveredrealms

 

[EnemyOfReason]

I don't know about the meaning, but I have read in several places that it was part of the 360 pagan deities of the Arabs before islam, and was the moon god. Please read the following links and let me know what you think:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Muhammad, Allah’s Messenger, stole Islam from Qusayy’s heirs. | undiscoveredrealms

Sorry but I did not read the following links because I know the truth behind it already.

Allah is the name given to any chief deity. So the Moon God Hubal (if he was the chief deity) would indeed be called Allah along with many other gods.

Semitic pagans use the very same names Jews call Yahweh by the way. Allah has no specific meaning but its context implies it is the main deity.

Allah is not a specific god but a title. There is much descent evidence to support the claim that many gods have been called Allah including all 360 idols int he Kaaba due to the fact that many of those idols were the chief deities of other tribes.

I have known Christian Arabs and Arabic Hindus to call their god Allah. This is a major reason why Muslims try separating Allah from other "Allahs" by saying he is the most merciful(ar-Rahim) or giving other titles to him to distinguish him.

This is an early practice in the rise of Islam to distinguish Allah from other gods called Allah. Usage of the Asma Allah al-Husna is how Muslims distinguish Allah from other gods

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Yes...perhaps if the poster could learn some basic Arabic along with some basic Hebrew to compare, this would be very helpful...

Being an ex-Muslim and Wathaniyya buff also helps

 

[visionary]

Being an ex-Muslim and Wathaniyya buff also helps

Now you have me curious, if you are an ex-Muslim, what is the other religion?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Now you have me curious, if you are an ex-Muslim, what is the other religion?

I am a Deist at heart but a staunch pre-Islamic Paganist (Wathaniyya). Little obvious since I have a khamsah as my avatar

 

[visionary]

Not familiar enough to recognize a khamsah even if someone gave it to me. I even had to look it up on google to get some idea of what it is.