The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[Chris V++]

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!

I've never met a professing born again Christian who read the Bible and who actually believes they have been given a license to sin.

 

[HTacianas]

No it was Wiki

The wikipedia entry is an excerpt from the Catholic catechism.

 

[BCsenior]

I've never met a professing born again Christian who read the Bible
and who actually believes they have been given a license to sin.

Today's churches are filled with them ... whether they believe the bold or not.

 

[jahel]

The wikipedia entry is an excerpt from the Catholic catechism.

So what! The body loves to speak in tongues but cannot understand plain English?

IE: The new mortal sin

 

[BCsenior]

The wikipedia entry is an excerpt from the Catholic catechism.

Any idea of how easily man can be deceived?

 

[Chris V++]

Today's churches are filled with them ... whether they believe it or not.

Today's churches are full of sinners? Or today's churches are full of born again believers who believe God is giving them special permission to knowingly commit sin?

 

[HTacianas]

Any idea of how easily man can be deceived?

Fairly easily. A man decides that his opinion is all that matters, then when confronted with evidence that his opinion is wrong he chooses his opinion over the evidence.

 

[HTacianas]

So what! The body loves to speak in tongues but cannot understand plain English?

IE: The new mortal sin

The Catholic catechism was written by the clergy.

 

[BCsenior]

Today's churches are full of sinners? Or today's churches are full of born again believers
who believe God is giving them special permission to knowingly commit sin?

That would be BOTH.
The false believing leads to sin.
No habitual sinner will be allowed into heaven.
Unless he/she sincerely repents (i.e. stops the sinning).
The whole Bible is about the results of sin!

 

[jahel]

The Catholic catechism was written by the clergy.

Yes but the conclusion applies to the sinner and God. Just because they think the clergy’s word replaces God’s doesn’t mean that conclusions is correct. Reconciliation can only be between a person and God to effect any change in fellowship. After all the bottom line is that God is looking for fit companions for His Son. And you know that is biblical.

Also bottom line is that Christ is our mediator and His work effected us to be with Him.

 

[Dave L]

Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

Grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism …
are all called antinomianism! This is the notion that a one-time
justification saves … apart from sanctification. But, this is an
incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace!

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!
This leads to the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example).

“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
… they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4-5, NLT)

NOTE: We are talking here about believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 –- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Re: #4 … If people are believing and trusting in grace-only, cheap-grace,
hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc., HOW can they be fearing God?

So, all of these verses PROVE the road to eternal life is indeed narrow,
and believers are responsible for playing their part in their salvation!

Or, shall we view these verses as merely bluffs, exaggerations, lies even?

Initially, through His grace, God gives to new believers:
Jesus’ righteousness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. and salvation.
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
Because ONLY their old-past-former sins have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9).
And because NT verses warn about the possibility of losing salvation.

Some believers became “estranged from Christ”
… they had “fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Some believers are “of those who draw back to perdition” (Hebrews 10:39).

And there are many more warning verses.

This is a non issue. Saved people hate sin and love righteousness. People who love sin and hate righteousness are not saved.

 

[HTacianas]

Yes but the conclusion applies to the sinner and God. Just because they think the clergy’s word replaces God’s doesn’t mean that conclusions is correct. Reconciliation can only be between a person and God to effect any change in fellowship. After all the bottom line is that God is looking for fit companions for His Son. And you know that is biblical.

Also bottom line is that Christ is our mediator and His work effected us to be with Him.

Another thing that I know is biblical is that Jesus gave his apostles the authority to forgive sins:

Jhn 20:23 - “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

That authority has been handed down through their successors.

 

[jahel]

Another thing that I know is biblical is that Jesus gave his apostles the authority to forgive sins:

Jhn 20:23 - “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

That authority has been handed down through their successors.

On earth as it is in heaven. Guess we’ll see what that has done when we get there.

 

[Chris V++]

Another thing that I know is biblical is that Jesus gave his apostles the authority to forgive sins:

Jhn 20:23 - “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

That authority has been handed down through their successors.

So a Christian can't ask God directly for forgiveness for a sin? God won't forgive sins of Christians unless confessed to a priest?

 

[HTacianas]

So a Christian can't ask God directly for forgiveness for a sin? God won't forgive sins of Christians unless confessed to a priest?

It doesn't say that. It says that the apostles have the authority to forgive sins.

 

[Charlie24]

Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

Grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism …
are all called antinomianism! This is the notion that a one-time
justification saves … apart from sanctification. But, this is an
incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace!

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!
This leads to the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example).

“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
… they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4-5, NLT)

NOTE: We are talking here about believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 –- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Re: #4 … If people are believing and trusting in grace-only, cheap-grace,
hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc., HOW can they be fearing God?

So, all of these verses PROVE the road to eternal life is indeed narrow,
and believers are responsible for playing their part in their salvation!

Or, shall we view these verses as merely bluffs, exaggerations, lies even?

Initially, through His grace, God gives to new believers:
Jesus’ righteousness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. and salvation.
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
Because ONLY their old-past-former sins have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9).
And because NT verses warn about the possibility of losing salvation.

Some believers became “estranged from Christ”
… they had “fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Some believers are “of those who draw back to perdition” (Hebrews 10:39).

And there are many more warning verses.

Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Paul makes it clear we are saved by grace through faith alone. We cannot earn it it, it is a gift.

He makes it clear we do not have a licence to sin by this grace.

Rom. 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The list that you have created that proves your salvation is true, these things definitely prove our salvation.

But these cannot be done by us, they can only be brought to pass by the Holy Spirit working in us.

Many of us are depending on doing these things to keep our salvation. This is the works salvation Paul warned about. We are doing it instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to do it.

Paul tells us that salvation is a matter of the heart. We should not have our hearts set on proving our salvation, we should have our hearts set on obeying the Holy Spirit and He will bring about the proof of our salvation.

 

[BCsenior]

This is a non issue. Saved people hate sin and love righteousness.
People who love sin and hate righteousness are not saved.

Do you care less about those in the churches who are habitually sinning?

News Flash ...
It is very possible for BACs to be deceived into believing in "grace-only"!

It's not a fair fight ...
God's still small voice ... VS ... Satan + the flesh + the church!

 

[zoidar]

Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

Grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism …
are all called antinomianism! This is the notion that a one-time
justification saves … apart from sanctification. But, this is an
incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace!

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!
This leads to the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example).

“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
… they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4-5, NLT)

NOTE: We are talking here about believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 –- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Re: #4 … If people are believing and trusting in grace-only, cheap-grace,
hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc., HOW can they be fearing God?

So, all of these verses PROVE the road to eternal life is indeed narrow,
and believers are responsible for playing their part in their salvation!

Or, shall we view these verses as merely bluffs, exaggerations, lies even?

Initially, through His grace, God gives to new believers:
Jesus’ righteousness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. and salvation.
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
Because ONLY their old-past-former sins have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9).
And because NT verses warn about the possibility of losing salvation.

Some believers became “estranged from Christ”
… they had “fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Some believers are “of those who draw back to perdition” (Hebrews 10:39).

And there are many more warning verses.

Not that I'm arguing, but how do I live a holy life?

 

[BCsenior]

Paul makes it clear we are saved by grace through faith alone.

Nothing is clear to you at all ... you have been deceived.
I suggest that you return to the OP.

 

[BCsenior]

Not that I'm arguing, but how do I live a holy life?

Thank you for being humble enough to ask this.
TRY YOUR BEST WHILE REPENTING OF (i.e. stopping) YOUR KNOWN SINS.
God will honor this effort and He will bless you and lead you unto holiness.
Romans 6 says we must become slaves of righteousness unto holiness!