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Tesla vehicles vandalized across US since Musk began White House role

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I said the violent people yes, When I’m talking about private property I mean some poor guy who happens to own a Tesla ( probably an eco friendly liberal) having it vandalized for no reason.
January 6th is a whataboutism in this thread.
Somehow you don’t like it when I use whataboutism, it’s one of the left’s favorite tactics but I am not supposed to use it I see
The DoI has “life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness“, if the latter includes “property“, that’s fine, but property shouldn’t have “more rights” than human beings.

People are free to buys as many Teslas as they want/can afford, if other people damage them because of dislike for the company’s owner, then they also have the choice of owning a vehicle from a company whose Boss is less of a lightning-rod?
 
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Mostly in attitude with a shift towards American national ideals. Whatever military, cultural, economic, tourist etc. interactions can be lessened probably the better. Something spontaneous but not forceful or confrontational. A change that might be good for America as long as we do not leave Ukraine hanging and then try to move on.
National ideals? Like what?
 
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Who remembers this from Trump inauguration protests?

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Did you even read the article?

Seditious conspiracy involves conspiring to halt the functioning of government. That's what the "proud boys" and "oath keepers" were attempting to do and were so convicted. (How much of their trials did you "watch"? I read live reports of the testimony of witnesses and arguments of the lawyers.) The 2011 Wisconsin protesters didn't stop the legislature from actually passing the thing they were protesting IN THE SAME BUILDING.

Who was shot in the streets beside BLM protestors by a RW, out of state agitator.

Only in the sense that 2020 is after 2011, and like 2025 is after 2016.
 
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It’s more a “things ain’t what they used to be!” lament than an actual opinion.
No lament, maybe the US should move towards a more isolationist and self sustaining capability.
 
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Did you even read the article?

Seditious conspiracy involves conspiring to halt the functioning of government. That's what the "proud boys" and "oath keepers" were attempting to do and were so convicted. (How much of their trials did you "watch"? I read live reports of the testimony of witnesses and arguments of the lawyers.) The 2011 Wisconsin protesters didn't stop the legislature from actually passing the thing they were protesting IN THE SAME BUILDING.

Who was shot in the streets beside BLM protestors by a RW, out of state agitator.

Only in the sense that 2020 is after 2011, and like 2025 is after 2016.
what a litany of nonsense

BLM riots in the streets, burns building, assaults people, and you call a guy who came from out of state to protect businesses (rightly or wrongly--I don't think he should have been there) an "out-of-state agitator" lol ok

and the shootings I was talking about were the actual assassinations of people in Portland by one of your guys

 
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The headlines should be
WORLD’S RICHEST MAN IS ‘THE REAL VICTIM’ HERE!”

My heart bleeds for him.

I've been trying to take Musk's moral teachings to heart. As a member of the non-billionaire short-end-of-the-stick class, it would be suicidal empathy to care about billionaires facing adversity.

Anyway...

Tesla attacks mark a surreal twist in political violence as Musk divides America

There were broad expectations that the widening political divides in America following Donald Trump’s second presidential victory would explode.

But few could have predicted the flash point would be electric cars.

Teslas have been set ablaze with Molotov cocktails, riddled with bullets and defaced with swastikas. Doors and windows at once pristine luxury electric vehicle showrooms are now scrawled with profanity and Nazi symbols.

“We have a continuum of activity, some of which we rightfully tolerate, such as boisterous and passionate protests,” said Brian Levin, a professor emeritus at Cal State San Bernardino and an expert on extremism. “But now we’re getting to another level of this kind of directed arson and violence, which, to be sure, has an intimidation effect.”

“Over the last decade ideologically motivated militants from across a spectrum, as well as some unstable and idiosyncratic types, have targeted their broadening attacks not only against traditional, governmental, communication and academic enterprises, but also increasingly against powerful corporate or defense industry targets who they regard as political co-conspirators of their adversaries,” Levin said.

[But Trump's J6 hostage pardons...] "You can’t just pick and choose which particular ideology you prefer when it comes to having a legal response to acts of targeted violence.” [Oh, yeah? Just you watch him weaponize this Justice system!]

[Historical context] In 2003, activists set fire to a Chevrolet dealership and destroyed or defaced dozens of Hummers and other sport utility vehicles, scrawling many with the word “polluter.” Earth Liberation Front, an association of militant environmentalists, claimed responsibility for the attacks at the time, saying it had been intended to take the profit motive away from the companies responsible for pollution.
 
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In related news...

Elon tells Tesla employees not to sell TSLA stocks as board and execs are dumping

Here, guys, this bag. Hold it. Just for a second while I step outside.

At an all-hands meeting last night, Elon Musk stood before Tesla employees and told them to “hang on to their TSLA stocks” as Tesla board members and top executive are dumping their shares amid a 40% crash.

CEO Elon Musk didn’t announce anything new during the meeting.

Not a single Tesla insider who requires SEC reporting to buy or sell Tesla stocks has purchased it in the last few years.
 
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Commerce Secretary Lutnick urges Fox News viewers to buy Tesla stock, raising ethics questions

“I think if you want to learn something on this show tonight, buy Tesla. It’s unbelievable that this guy’s stock is this cheap. It’ll never be this cheap again,” Lutnick said on Fox News.

With only a few exceptions, the Code of Federal Regulations prohibitsexecutive branch employees from using their public office “for the endorsement of any product, service, or enterprise.” Employees are also generally barred from giving preferential treatment to an individual or organization. Those ethical rules, along with the tenet that officials shouldn’t use their public office for private gain, are central to American democratic norms, advocates for ethics in government said.
 
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Buy low, sell high.
That's good, general advice. However, a government official encouraging people to buy a specific stock, to the benefit of someone closely associated with the administration, definitely raises some ethics concerns.
 
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