So it kinda looks like we’re going to be “buddies” with Russia.

[A2SG]

Immoral, inhumane, wrong, evil et al words to that effect.

I still can't recall anyone claiming deportation itself to be any of those things. You'd make your point better if you could provide specific examples of anyone actually saying what you're claiming.

Evidence please. Like screen shots you've taken of all the changes you've been monitoring.

That DOGE has made errors and changed the claims on their "wall of receipts" has been well documented already. I previously posted a story about it as well. If you need more confirmation than that, feel free to explore it on your own. My point simply was that DOGE's claims of cutting waste and fraud have been haphazard at best, and ineffective at worse, and are far from normal.

You're free to disagree, of course, but you might want to show similar examples if you want your claim that this is "normal" to be believed.

Okay, hiring someone based on their gender and or skin color is a more normal procedure than hiring someone because you think they'll do a good job.

Are you claiming that? Because I've never made any such claim.

Read what I've written if you care to know what I actually do claim.

That makes perfect sense doesn't it? Pure logic at work there.

Hey, it's your logic, not mine.

What scale? Show me the scale.

You claimed that the Trump administration wantonly firing government employees who they then realized were essential and necessary enough that they needed to turn around and rehire them was not only "not unprecedented," but normal. Feel free to show me the precedent. Use whatever scale you feel appropriate.

-- A2SG, you're not exactly proving your case here, I gotta say....

 

[ozso]

I still can't recall anyone claiming deportation itself to be any of those things. You'd make your point better if you could provide specific examples of anyone actually saying what you're claiming.

Anyone? Okay, "Deportation Is Evil".

That DOGE has made errors and changed the claims on their "wall of receipts" has been well documented already. I previously posted a story about it as well. If you need more confirmation than that, feel free to explore it on your own. My point simply was that DOGE's claims of cutting waste and fraud have been haphazard at best, and ineffective at worse, and are far from normal.

That's your opinion. That article doesn't say it's "haphazard" or "ineffective".

You're free to disagree, of course, but you might want to show similar examples if you want your claim that this is "normal" to be believed.


Are you claiming that? Because I've never made any such claim.

Read what I've written if you care to know what I actually do claim.

You didn't make a claim or a statement. Instead you asked several random deflecting questions.

Hey, it's your logic, not mine.

Maybe if you spelled out you logic in a direct statement instead of asking a bunch of random deflecting questions, I could address it better.

You claimed that the Trump administration wantonly firing government employees who they then realized were essential and necessary enough that they needed to turn around and rehire them was not only "not unprecedented," but normal. Feel free to show me the precedent. Use whatever scale you feel appropriate.

You said there was a scale, not me, so show me the scale instead of deflecting.

 

[A2SG]

Anyone? Okay, "Deportation Is Evil".

Okay, so the pope doesn't agree with deportation in general, though his chief objection seems to be the way it's implemented. Further, he doesn't agree with your initial assertion that it was normal for illegal aliens to be considered undesirable. Either way, though, he's entitled to his opinion, of course.

That's your opinion. That article doesn't say it's "haphazard" or "ineffective".

Yup, that is my view of the way DOGE has gone about their stated goal, and I've documented why I believe that. But, if you disagree, feel free to document exactly how effective they've been at eliminating waste in government.

You didn't make a claim or a statement. Instead you asked several random deflecting questions.

True enough. I've also noticed how much effort you've made in avoiding answering them. Is that also normal?

Maybe if you spelled out you logic in a direct statement instead of asking a bunch of random deflecting questions, I could address it better.

My logic is that nothing that Trump's current administration is doing is in any way "normal," and your claim that those actions are somehow a return to normal don't hold up to scrutiny. If you want me to accept your assertion that it is normal, you'll need to provide some evidence that their actions are normal in some way. You haven't. Feel free to do so at any time.

You said there was a scale, not me, so show me the scale instead of deflecting.

I'm not deflecting anything, I simply asked for comparable examples. You said that firing people who are so essential or necessary they need to be rehired almost immediately was "not unprecedented," I simply asked for the precedent. Specifically, I asked: "What other times has that sort of thing happened, at the same scale and so often? Feel free to cite as many examples as you can find."

When I said "at the same scale," I only meant that a single example of one person being fired and then rehired wouldn't be comparable to the number of times it has happened during the second Trump administration. For this to be normal, it would seem that it has always happened just as frequently, or nearly so.

Has it? Can you cite examples?

-- A2SG, I'm guessing you can't, hence the deflection.....

 

[Yarddog]

Should President Trump decide to have a better, more friendlier relationship with Russia, then it is entirely within his hands to do so. He is the a president and Presidents conduct foreign policy as they see fit, (that’s [part of] the “job”!)

I’m sure my poll missed some good points about such a development that we can discuss.

It's going to be a fun four years!

Well, that's not entirely true. Trump cannot enter into a treaty with Russia without the consent of two thirds of the Senate. Article II, section II US CONSTITUTION.

 

[eclipsenow]

A summary of recent European intelligence reports finds that IF the USA pressures Ukraine into a peace deal that rewards the dictator Putin, it will only give Putin time to rally his now massive Military Industrial Complex - replace all their ancient kit with more modern kit - and then go on the warpath again!

Indeed, oil and military pretty much sum up the entire Russian economy.
It's all they have! So - if Trump rewards Putin with the fifth of Ukraine Putin has already stolen - it would reward the dictator with zirconium, titanium and rare earths. What minerals does Ukraine have and what are they used for?

America might well then start robbing Ukraine of half their other mineral resources - preventing a Russian attack on Ukraine.
But what's to stop Russia going into other neighbouring countries - especially if Trump sends the message that NATO is disorganised and fractured and weak?

 

[Pommer]

Well, that's not entirely true. Trump cannot enter into a treaty with Russia without the consent of two thirds of the Senate. Article II, section II US CONSTITUTION.

Presidents have a lot of leeway in granting friendly nations more favorable terms without all that mucking about in hyperspace the Senate.

 

[Yarddog]

Presidents have a lot of leeway in granting friendly nations more favorable terms without all that mucking about in hyperspace the Senate.

Depends on the Senate. Trump cannot sign a treaty without consent.

 

[Pommer]

Depends on the Senate. Trump cannot sign a treaty without consent.

Look, a President can create a “friendly atmosphere” for a foreign nation without having to go through a formal treaty process. Presidents sign agreements all the time with other nations without there being a treaty involved at all.

 

[DaisyDay]

….of course egg prices are mentioned! Why does that not surprise me?

Maybe because Trump made that a major campaign issue; for many, grocery prices were the issue. Trump knew at the time that avian flu was one of the reasons for egg prices being high as well as the pandemic supply line disruptions. These new trade wars are his own doing.

Russia doesn't make anything of value.

Vodka! And propaganda!


....a little late to this party....

 

[RileyG]

Maybe because Trump made that a major campaign issue; for many, grocery prices were the issue. Trump knew at the time that avian flu was one of the reasons for egg prices being high as well as the pandemic supply line disruptions. These new trade wars are his own doing.


Vodka! And propaganda!


....a little late to this party....

It’s outside his control now, regardless.

 

[DaisyDay]

It’s outside his control now, regardless.

It always was.

But he lied that it would not be if only people would vote for him. He claimed that he alone would save the country from inflation. Boy, did he lie!

 

[RileyG]

It always was.

But he lied that it would not be if only people would vote for him. He claimed that he alone would save the country from inflation. Boy, did he lie!

Are you surprised? I’m certainly not!

 

[eclipsenow]

Ha ha - I voted:-

Our nation was built upon the “peace for land” principle, why’s it different for Ukraine?​

Basically it's a weird one - because America's 'negotiating' on behalf of a modern dictator's colonial expansion - in the hope of modern neo-colonial economic expansion for itself. (We'll - for Trump's self. Listening to the BBC World news as I do - there are many Americans that called in appalled at what the Trump regime is doing!)

As far as I see it - America was built on dishonest Native American "Treaties" that ripped off the indigenous populations; outright purchases of land, and outright military conquest in an age of colonial expansion and opportunistic deals. While America isn't the one doing the military expansion - by snuggling up to Putin and threatening to withdraw military aid to a new democratic friend - America certainly is making an 'opportunistic deal'! True to form I guess.

 

[Yarddog]

Look, a President can create a “friendly atmosphere” for a foreign nation without having to go through a formal treaty process. Presidents sign agreements all the time with other nations without there being a treaty involved at all.

Trump can try to create a friendly atmosphere and others can try to disrupt it. It's part of the game.