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Lets face it, if the state didn't allow same-sex marriages, it would not be a issue for us.

Civil Unions were rejected by the gay activists because they want their unions to have
the same moral equivalency as traditional marriages.

Gay marriage was made legal here in MA by the State Supreme Court not the voters.

My lesbian cousin got married to her SO, but I was not invited. I'm not sure what I would've
done had she invited me. My parents were alive at the time and went.
 
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Can we discuss this important topic.

For background I suggest viewing this video that presents the issue quite thoroughly.


Your considered comments most welcome.
Absolutely not. Christians cannot condone evil and going to a gay wedding is endorsing and celebrating an act of evil.
 
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Would he have said that to Jesus?
Actually, yes. More accurately, Jesus would have said it to Paul. That's because he was talking about "so-called brothers" who profess to be believers and yet still openly engage in the things he listed. Those who haven't even professed to believe aren't in that list.
 
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Actually, yes. More accurately, Jesus would have said it to Paul. That's because he was talking about "so-called brothers" who profess to be believers and yet still openly engage in the things he listed. Those who haven't even professed to believe aren't in that list.

I think Jesus would have reminded Paul, and others, to love as he loved.
Jesus did not come into the world and associate only with those who were believers, or who led good lives. He ate and drank with tax collectors, gave his life for sinners and spoke kindly to a woman who had been caught committing adultery.
Paul was writing to a church who believed that because Jesus had set them free, they could do what they wanted - so they condoned a permissive lifestyle. That was a wrong attitude, and nothing to be proud of.

I've just finished a book by a Bible teacher/writer who had a moral fall. He was most helped by the grace, kindness and love that church members showed him. He knew that he'd done wrong and received discipline and counselling. But he wasn't rejected or ignored, nor did people avoid him until he was restored again. He wrote about how some churches seem to shoot their wounded, and are far harsher than Jesus is, or was.
 
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I think Jesus would have reminded Paul, and others, to love as he loved.
Jesus did not come into the world and associate only with those who were believers, or who led good lives. He ate and drank with tax collectors, gave his life for sinners and spoke kindly to a woman who had been caught committing adultery.
Paul was writing to a church who believed that because Jesus had set them free, they could do what they wanted - so they condoned a permissive lifestyle. That was a wrong attitude, and nothing to be proud of.

I've just finished a book by a Bible teacher/writer who had a moral fall. He was most helped by the grace, kindness and love that church members showed him. He knew that he'd done wrong and received discipline and counselling. But he wasn't rejected or ignored, nor did people avoid him until he was restored again. He wrote about how some churches seem to shoot their wounded, and are far harsher than Jesus is, or was.
The key sentence there is, "He knew that he'd done wrong and received discipline and counselling." That's far different than, say a person who calls himself a Christian, and still wears a gay "pride" shirt, gets "married" to another guy, and tries to convince people at church that "love is love". There's a difference between repentant and unrepentant.
 
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Legality is hardly the only reason for a mockery of marriage to be objectionable.
The joining in marriage is sacred to GOD. It would be a poor witness of GOD to make a mockery of a ceremony just to make a biblical point. We are the light of the world, and we should not be doing the absurd just to make a point; the hatred for GOD would only increase from such an atrocity. Yes, we should witness Christ in the most appropriate times led by the Holy Spirit. The sinner will continue to sin, unless they are called out by GOD to stop and repent. Objecting at the ceremony only would get a person shunned and thrown out, while GOD's name becomes even more shunned because of a selfish, insensitive (holier than thou) Christian. I agree that the question is asked, so that an illegal wedding can be stopped, or if the father of the bride forbids the wedding. We need to be good witnesses and not bad witnesses of Christ.
 
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The joining in marriage is sacred to GOD. It would be a poor witness of GOD to make a mockery of a ceremony just to make a biblical point. We are the light of the world, and we should not be doing the absurd just to make a point; the hatred for GOD would only increase from such an atrocity. Yes, we should witness Christ in the most appropriate times led by the Holy Spirit. The sinner will continue to sin, unless they are called out by GOD to stop and repent. Objecting at the ceremony only would get a person shunned and thrown out, while GOD's name becomes even more shunned because of a selfish, insensitive (holier than thou) Christian. I agree that the question is asked, so that an illegal wedding can be stopped, or if the father of the bride forbids the wedding. We need to be good witnesses and not bad witnesses of Christ.
Now, imagine telling Jesus all that just as He was putting together a whip when He was about to go into the temple to "make a point". Do you think He would have taken an alternative course of action?
 
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That sounds dangerously close to saying that Jesus only died for those he knew would believe in him.

"If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even the pagans do that. ...... You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect", Matthew 5:46-47.
You make your comment as though GOD the Father planned to save everyone. If HE did, then HE failed. That seems to step into a seventeen-hundred-year old debate concerning the sovereignty of GOD (Calvinism vs Arminianism). GOD the Father sent HIS Son to Earth to die for HIS people, whom HE had predestined to believe Him (Jesus). Jesus the Messiah died for all of the world who would believe in Him.

37All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me; and him that comes to Me I will in no wise cast out.
38 Because I came down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of HIM that sent Me.
39 And this is the Father's will which has sent Me, that of all which HE has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day
. (Jn. 6:37-39)

65 And He said: "Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father." (Jn. 6:65)
 
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If the person was a relative, good friend or someone I cared about, I'd go for them. Sitting at home saying "I don't approve" would damage the relationship and make it harder to have any conversations about the Christian faith.
Jesus accepted and loved people. He ate with tax collectors and sinners, healed an unclean woman, revealed himself as the Messiah to a foreign woman with a dubious lifestyle and would not condemn a woman who had clearly broken the law. He also gave his life for godless sinners.
Did he approve of these people's morals? Almost certainly not. Did he let that stop him from caring for them? No.

Having said that, if I was ordained, I wouldn't want to conduct such a wedding.
I can’t think of any of those examples where the person wasn’t repentant about their sin. However the merchants that were selling offerings in the temple were not repentant and Jesus was not so polite to them. Nor were the Pharisees and He was not polite with them either. Are you saying that Jesus would’ve attended a gay marriage?
 
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Now, imagine telling Jesus all that just as He was putting together a whip when He was about to go into the temple to "make a point". Do you think He would have taken an alternative course of action?
I guess what you are saying then is all Christians should attend a gay wedding and object when asked. Have you made any gay marriage plans?
 
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You make your comment as though GOD the Father planned to save everyone. If HE did, then HE failed. That seems to step into a seventeen-hundred-year old debate concerning the sovereignty of GOD (Calvinism vs Arminianism). GOD the Father sent HIS Son to Earth to die for HIS people, whom HE had predestined to believe Him (Jesus). Jesus the Messiah died for all of the world who would believe in Him.

37All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me; and him that comes to Me I will in no wise cast out.
38 Because I came down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of HIM that sent Me.
39 And this is the Father's will which has sent Me, that of all which HE has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day
. (Jn. 6:37-39)

65 And He said: "Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father." (Jn. 6:65)
It sad how often those verses are misquoted.
 
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Let us here your explanation for those verses....please.
Absolutely, first of all the Greek word in John 6:37 that is translated to “comes” or “cometh” in only used in the present and imperfect tense meaning that those who presently or continuously come to Him, He will not cast out. This interpretation doesn’t contradict John 15:2 and John 15:6 unlike the Calvinist interpretation. Second the Greek word translated to “will” in John 6:39 can also mean wish or desire. It’s the same word used in 1 Timothy 2:4 with the exception that the noun form is being used in John 6:39 and the verb form is being used in 1 Timothy 2:4. So while The Father desires all men to be saved and come to the full knowledge of truth we know that will not happen just as The Father desires all who come to Christ will not be lost but some will. Again John 15:2 and John 15:6 specifically tell us that some who have come to Christ will be lost.
 
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Absolutely, first of all the Greek word in John 6:37 that is translated to “comes” or “cometh” in only used in the present and imperfect tense meaning that those who presently or continuously come to Him, He will not cast out. This interpretation doesn’t contradict John 15:2 and John 15:6 unlike the Calvinist interpretation. Second the Greek word translated to “will” in John 6:39 can also mean wish or desire. It’s the same word used in 1 Timothy 2:4 with the exception that the noun form is being used in John 6:39 and the verb form is being used in 1 Timothy 2:4. So while The Father desires all men to be saved and come to the full knowledge of truth we know that will not happen just as The Father desires all who come to Christ will not be lost but some will. Again John 15:2 and John 15:6 specifically tell us that some who have come to Christ will be lost.
impossible...

John 15 needs to be understood in the light of John 10.

27 My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
 
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impossible...

John 15 needs to be understood in the light of John 10.

27 My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Yes so if I said “no one can snatch this rabbit from my hand” does that mean I said I can’t throw the rabbit from my hand? Does that mean I said the rabbit can’t jump from my hand? The word snatch implies a third party trying to do the removal not the individual himself or God. I’m curious how you would interpret John 15:2 and John 15:6 in such a way that it doesn’t contradict the context of the surrounding statements and still supports eternal security.
 
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Absolutely, first of all the Greek word in John 6:37 that is translated to “comes” or “cometh” in only used in the present and imperfect tense meaning that those who presently or continuously come to Him, He will not cast out. This interpretation doesn’t contradict John 15:2 and John 15:6 unlike the Calvinist interpretation. Second the Greek word translated to “will” in John 6:39 can also mean wish or desire. It’s the same word used in 1 Timothy 2:4 with the exception that the noun form is being used in John 6:39 and the verb form is being used in 1 Timothy 2:4. So while The Father desires all men to be saved and come to the full knowledge of truth we know that will not happen just as The Father desires all who come to Christ will not be lost but some will. Again John 15:2 and John 15:6 specifically tell us that some who have come to Christ will be lost.
So you say that we only have temporary atonement for sins. That is not very good redemption if it can be lost.

Hebrews 7:27 Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for His own sins, and then for the people's, because this He did once, when He offered up Himself. The pronoun “who” refers back to the previous statement in verse 7:26. The writer made a special point to remind the Hebrews reading this that their high priests have to work daily, in offering sacrifices for themselves for their own sins, then also for the people’s; Jesus the Messiah, however, offered Himself as the sacrifice once and is finished. His work was finished and He sits at the right hand of His Father in heaven, while the imperfect priests would be standing all day offering up blood sacrifices.

Hebrews 9:28 So Messiah was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The answer to the eternal statement here is that Christ died once as all men are appointed to, but Christ died (offered Himself) to bear the sins of many.

Hebrews 10:1 Because the law, having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices, which they offered year by year, continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
The punctuation of the translators leaves much to be desired. The placement of commas had been inserted in inappropriate locations. There are many run-on sentences that require additional punctuation, such as one more comma after the word “sacrifices,” and a comma after the word “year.” A more appropriate solution, in order to eliminate two commas, would be to put one clause in parentheses. Because the law, having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices (which they offered year by year) continually make the comers thereunto perfect. The point being made here is: Because the law can never, with those sacrifices, continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The law was a shadow, and not the actual image (or likeness), of the good things to come within the New Covenant. It (the law) could never make those partakers in the Old Covenant perfect, through the sacrifices offered year by year. Paul’s statement (here in verse 10:1) is then explained, concerning the conscience of the partakers of the sacrificial system of the Old Covenant.

The verb “make” is connected to “perfect,” which was translated from the Greek verb “teleioō,” which means: “to make perfect unto completion.” The same Greek verb was used in 1 Corinthians 13:10, as well as Ephesians 4:13, when being preached of the immortality of believers upon the Resurrection of Life. Cessationists twist 1 Corinthians 13:10 and assume that Paul was talking about the completion of the word of God (Bible). The verb expression “made perfect,” in Ephesians 4:13, implies exactly what Paul was pertaining to concerning the perfection of the saints within 1 Corinthians 13:10, which will happen upon each one’s resurrection. The New Covenant will not make a believer “perfect,” until that day of their resurrection, which will bring their immortality. Within Hebrews 10:1, Paul was pointing out to the Hebrew nonbelievers that the sacrificial system of the Old Covenant could never make anyone “perfect.”

In 1 Corinthians 12:28, a person should notice that there is no separating of the spiritual gifts as some being non-existent currently, and others still existent. If what the Cessationists say were true, the church body would have been made powerless; or if a few of the gifts were taken away, such as prophecy and tongues, then the church body is missing some of its members…ie tongue, eyes, feet, hands, etc.

Unfortunately, the church has been made weak by the restraining of the spiritual gifts, by the works of Satan, and the influences of the Cessationists. This has come to pass because of the attack onto the church, by the adversary; Satan, his angels, and the demons, have brought in heretical church leaders; these have allowed unfamiliar spirits to creep into the congregations. This has given the Cessationists ammunition against the use of the spiritual gifts within the body of Christ (church).

The body of Christ was meant to have great power while using these spiritual gifts, which would cause many to see God’s power. Unfortunately, the church does not talk very much of the gifts provided by the Holy Spirit, nor encourage a believer to investigate what gifts they have been given.

Hebrews 10:2 Because then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. The Greek conjunction “gar” should be translated as the English conjunction (because), which is usually assigning a reason for the previous passage. The reason for the statement made in verse 10”1 is answered here with a rhetorical question. Paul asked a rhetorical question to make his point that the partakers in the Old Covenant were never madeperfect.” The sacrifices had to be made each year, by the High Priest on the Feast of Atonement, in order to atone for the sins of the people. The reason that the sacrifices never ceased to be offered, was because the worshippers of God never ceased from having the conscience awareness of their sins. The point of the matter is, if the people were once and for all cleansed (Heb. 7:27), then their conscience would have been cleansed as well (Heb. 9:9).

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. This is a valuable truth pertaining to the law. The law is a school teacher and teaches the sinner that they need reconciliation (Gal. 3:24). When someone came to the Feast of Atonement sacrifices, they were reminded of their sins from that past year that they had each committed. “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight, because by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Rom. 3:20) The worshippers under the Old Covenant would always be reminded of their sinfulness.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Paul then pushed back what he had taught in Hebrews 9:23-28, that Jesus Christ offered Himself once for all, which sanctifies us through His sacrificial death of His body.

Hebrews 10:11 And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: The priest’s work was never done, they stood continuously atoning for the people’s sins; the sacrifices that priests were offering (many each day) never took away the sins of the people; as Paul had pointed out in verses 10:2-4, the offerings never solved the sin problem, because the worshipper’s conscience was never cleansed from the guilt and shame. The sins were being atoned for by the priests, which was made for the people who never were feeling contrite for the sins committed. The contriteness needed could only be induced by the Holy Spirit, because He is the One who convicts a person of their sins.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: because if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.

8 And when He has come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and you see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
(Jn. 16:7-11)


Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; The “Man” being referred to is Jesus Christ of verse 10:10. Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice once, and now sits down at the right hand of His Father (Ps. 110:1-4); His work is complete. Paul wrote to the churches of Asia Minor (Book of Ephesians) that GOD the Father put Christ at His right hand, which is far above power, might, principalities, dominion, and all names ever named. He was raised from the dead and now sits on the right hand of His Father, while His Father puts every enemy at the feet of HIS Son, Jesus (Eph. 1:20-22). The King of Glory entered into the gates of Heaven and sat down at the right hand of GOD the Father.


7 Lift up your heads, Oh you gates, and be you lift up, you everlasting doors: and the King of glory shall come in.

8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, Oh you gates; even lift them up, you everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah.
(Ps. 24:7-10)


Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting, till His enemies be made His footstool. Paul referred back to what King David had prophesied in Psalm 110:1-4. “The LORD said unto My Lord, Sit at MY right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.” (Ps. 110:1) The words “from henceforth” imply that from the time Jesus had ascended to heaven, to offer His own blood at the mercy seat in heaven, Jesus has been sitting at His Father’s right hand and expecting all enemies to be put at His feet. The last enemy, to be defeated, will be death in His creation. In Psalm 110:1-4, it is God the Father speaking to His Son (Jesus Christ).

Hebrews 10:14 Because by one offering, He has perfected forever them that are sanctified. The Greek conjunction “gar” should be translated as the English conjunction (because), which is usually assigning a reason for the previous passage. The reason that Jesus the Messiah has sat down at His Father’s right hand is that He had to only offer His blood once upon the heavenly mercy seat; upon His one-time sin offering, He has perfected His saints forever, whom have been sanctified by the Holy Spirit; all of the sanctified have become a new creature in the creation and have everlasting life (2 Cor. 5:17). “Because He has made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin, so that we might be made the righteousness of GOD in Him.” (2 Cor. 5:21) A one-time sin offering could not be made by a regular man, because all have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory (Rom. 3:23). But God (Jesus Christ) was incarnated as a Man, though He is equally God; He lived a thirty-three-year sinless life, to be able to make one perfect sin offering in heaven.
 
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So you say that we only have temporary atonement for sins. That is not very good redemption if it can be lost.

Hebrews 7:27 Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for His own sins, and then for the people's, because this He did once, when He offered up Himself. The pronoun “who” refers back to the previous statement in verse 7:26. The writer made a special point to remind the Hebrews reading this that their high priests have to work daily, in offering sacrifices for themselves for their own sins, then also for the people’s; Jesus the Messiah, however, offered Himself as the sacrifice once and is finished. His work was finished and He sits at the right hand of His Father in heaven, while the imperfect priests would be standing all day offering up blood sacrifices.

Hebrews 9:28 So Messiah was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The answer to the eternal statement here is that Christ died once as all men are appointed to, but Christ died (offered Himself) to bear the sins of many.

Hebrews 10:1 Because the law, having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices, which they offered year by year, continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
The punctuation of the translators leaves much to be desired. The placement of commas had been inserted in inappropriate locations. There are many run-on sentences that require additional punctuation, such as one more comma after the word “sacrifices,” and a comma after the word “year.” A more appropriate solution, in order to eliminate two commas, would be to put one clause in parentheses. Because the law, having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices (which they offered year by year) continually make the comers thereunto perfect. The point being made here is: Because the law can never, with those sacrifices, continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The law was a shadow, and not the actual image (or likeness), of the good things to come within the New Covenant. It (the law) could never make those partakers in the Old Covenant perfect, through the sacrifices offered year by year. Paul’s statement (here in verse 10:1) is then explained, concerning the conscience of the partakers of the sacrificial system of the Old Covenant.

The verb “make” is connected to “perfect,” which was translated from the Greek verb “teleioō,” which means: “to make perfect unto completion.” The same Greek verb was used in 1 Corinthians 13:10, as well as Ephesians 4:13, when being preached of the immortality of believers upon the Resurrection of Life. Cessationists twist 1 Corinthians 13:10 and assume that Paul was talking about the completion of the word of God (Bible). The verb expression “made perfect,” in Ephesians 4:13, implies exactly what Paul was pertaining to concerning the perfection of the saints within 1 Corinthians 13:10, which will happen upon each one’s resurrection. The New Covenant will not make a believer “perfect,” until that day of their resurrection, which will bring their immortality. Within Hebrews 10:1, Paul was pointing out to the Hebrew nonbelievers that the sacrificial system of the Old Covenant could never make anyone “perfect.”

In 1 Corinthians 12:28, a person should notice that there is no separating of the spiritual gifts as some being non-existent currently, and others still existent. If what the Cessationists say were true, the church body would have been made powerless; or if a few of the gifts were taken away, such as prophecy and tongues, then the church body is missing some of its members…ie tongue, eyes, feet, hands, etc.

Unfortunately, the church has been made weak by the restraining of the spiritual gifts, by the works of Satan, and the influences of the Cessationists. This has come to pass because of the attack onto the church, by the adversary; Satan, his angels, and the demons, have brought in heretical church leaders; these have allowed unfamiliar spirits to creep into the congregations. This has given the Cessationists ammunition against the use of the spiritual gifts within the body of Christ (church).

The body of Christ was meant to have great power while using these spiritual gifts, which would cause many to see God’s power. Unfortunately, the church does not talk very much of the gifts provided by the Holy Spirit, nor encourage a believer to investigate what gifts they have been given.

Hebrews 10:2 Because then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. The Greek conjunction “gar” should be translated as the English conjunction (because), which is usually assigning a reason for the previous passage. The reason for the statement made in verse 10”1 is answered here with a rhetorical question. Paul asked a rhetorical question to make his point that the partakers in the Old Covenant were never madeperfect.” The sacrifices had to be made each year, by the High Priest on the Feast of Atonement, in order to atone for the sins of the people. The reason that the sacrifices never ceased to be offered, was because the worshippers of God never ceased from having the conscience awareness of their sins. The point of the matter is, if the people were once and for all cleansed (Heb. 7:27), then their conscience would have been cleansed as well (Heb. 9:9).

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. This is a valuable truth pertaining to the law. The law is a school teacher and teaches the sinner that they need reconciliation (Gal. 3:24). When someone came to the Feast of Atonement sacrifices, they were reminded of their sins from that past year that they had each committed. “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight, because by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Rom. 3:20) The worshippers under the Old Covenant would always be reminded of their sinfulness.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Paul then pushed back what he had taught in Hebrews 9:23-28, that Jesus Christ offered Himself once for all, which sanctifies us through His sacrificial death of His body.

Hebrews 10:11 And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: The priest’s work was never done, they stood continuously atoning for the people’s sins; the sacrifices that priests were offering (many each day) never took away the sins of the people; as Paul had pointed out in verses 10:2-4, the offerings never solved the sin problem, because the worshipper’s conscience was never cleansed from the guilt and shame. The sins were being atoned for by the priests, which was made for the people who never were feeling contrite for the sins committed. The contriteness needed could only be induced by the Holy Spirit, because He is the One who convicts a person of their sins.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: because if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.

8 And when He has come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and you see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
(Jn. 16:7-11)


Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; The “Man” being referred to is Jesus Christ of verse 10:10. Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice once, and now sits down at the right hand of His Father (Ps. 110:1-4); His work is complete. Paul wrote to the churches of Asia Minor (Book of Ephesians) that GOD the Father put Christ at His right hand, which is far above power, might, principalities, dominion, and all names ever named. He was raised from the dead and now sits on the right hand of His Father, while His Father puts every enemy at the feet of HIS Son, Jesus (Eph. 1:20-22). The King of Glory entered into the gates of Heaven and sat down at the right hand of GOD the Father.


7 Lift up your heads, Oh you gates, and be you lift up, you everlasting doors: and the King of glory shall come in.

8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, Oh you gates; even lift them up, you everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah.
(Ps. 24:7-10)


Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting, till His enemies be made His footstool. Paul referred back to what King David had prophesied in Psalm 110:1-4. “The LORD said unto My Lord, Sit at MY right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.” (Ps. 110:1) The words “from henceforth” imply that from the time Jesus had ascended to heaven, to offer His own blood at the mercy seat in heaven, Jesus has been sitting at His Father’s right hand and expecting all enemies to be put at His feet. The last enemy, to be defeated, will be death in His creation. In Psalm 110:1-4, it is God the Father speaking to His Son (Jesus Christ).

Hebrews 10:14 Because by one offering, He has perfected forever them that are sanctified. The Greek conjunction “gar” should be translated as the English conjunction (because), which is usually assigning a reason for the previous passage. The reason that Jesus the Messiah has sat down at His Father’s right hand is that He had to only offer His blood once upon the heavenly mercy seat; upon His one-time sin offering, He has perfected His saints forever, whom have been sanctified by the Holy Spirit; all of the sanctified have become a new creature in the creation and have everlasting life (2 Cor. 5:17). “Because He has made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin, so that we might be made the righteousness of GOD in Him.” (2 Cor. 5:21) A one-time sin offering could not be made by a regular man, because all have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory (Rom. 3:23). But God (Jesus Christ) was incarnated as a Man, though He is equally God; He lived a thirty-three-year sinless life, to be able to make one perfect sin offering in heaven.
What happened to John 15:2 and John 15:6? Those were Jesus’ words, not mine. I kindly addressed your scriptures now would you please address mine? Let’s not forget “man does not live by bread alone but from EVERY word that comes from God”. So let’s not skip any of them please.
 
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