Science PROVES the BIBLE is True

Speedwell · Jun 1, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Because if you are not FOR God then you are AGAINST God. That means you are an enemy of God. I have no idea why people would want to be an enemy of the God that is powerful enough to Create the Whole Universe.

Here is where you go off the rails: Denouncing anyone who disagrees with you about your interpretation of Scripture (including a number of Christians in this forum) as "enemies of God." What gives you the right to make that judgement?

JackRT · Jun 1, 2016

Whatever your faith, it must conform to reality or it will die. Perhaps not in you personally, but eventually.

Astrophile · Jun 1, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
There is an overwhelming amount of rock solid science that proves the Bible is accurate and true. To be sure Science is limited in what Science can do. Still there is Overwhelming Scientific Evidence for the Bible. The problem is people that are perishing do not understand the Bible.

In this post you devoted six lines to saying that there is an overwhelming amount of rock solid science that proves the Bible is accurate and true, and 54 lines to a rant against the people who are perishing and who therefore do not understand the Bible. If you had spent those 54 lines expounding the rock solid science that proves the truth and accuracy of the Bible, you might have done some good.

florida2 · Jun 1, 2016

I actually put myself through reading the OP. Did not see a single shred of science as per the thread title.

Speedwell · Jun 1, 2016

I think you never will. Over time, I have formed the impression that what he means is that it's the same evidence science uses, but not interpreted with the Bible-hating, Christ-denying atheistic bias imposed by the international anti-Christian scientific conspiracy.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 1, 2016

florida2 said:
I actually put myself through reading the OP. Did not see a single shred of science as per the thread title.

Ok, I will give you an example. I always like to start "In the Beginning". The Bible says there was a beginning. Science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Bible is true. Lets go onto verse 2. We read: "1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;". Again science can verify that this is true. There was a time in the beginning when there was nothing. Verse 3 God said let there be light. WE know that there was light in the beginning. Verse 4 God divided the night from the darkness. We know there is light and darkness. Verse 5 God created day and night. Again we know that there is day and night here on the earth.

Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true. Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind. It does not good to argue with them. They need to be born again. They need to advance and evolve beyond their reprobate state of existence.

JonFromMinnesota · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok, I will give you an example.

I'm going to be dizzy from the predictable circular argument you're going to make but i'll bite.

I always like to start "In the Beginning". The Bible says there was a beginning. Science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Bible is true.

Yep. Circles. The Quran says there was a beginning, science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Quran is true. See how that argument is complete nonsense? The Big Bang theory doesn't necessarily explain a beginning. It explains how a singularity expanded into what we see today. There is verifiable evidence that this is a fact and it doesn't require a God.

Lets go onto verse 2. We read: "1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;". Again science can verify that this is true.

We know how planets form. That doesn't require a God either.

There was a time in the beginning when there was nothing.

How do you know? Do you know what nothing is? Have you observed it? Empty space isn't nothing. You can even remove all the radiation and particles from empty space and it still weighs something. Space can bend, curve and stretch, so space isn't nothing either. How can you make this type of claim?

Verse 3 God said let there be light. WE know that there was light in the beginning.

The first sources of light didn't appear until a few hundred million years after the big bang.....so....this is wrong. Also, it states that God didn't create the sun and the stars until days after "let there be light". So what light source are you talking about? It even says he made plants before the sun which is.....scientifically impossible.

Verse 4 God divided the night from the darkness. We know there is light and darkness.

This is the verse where it claims the moon is a light source. This is demonstrably false. The moon doesn't emit light, it reflects it.

Verse 5 God created day and night. Again we know that there is day and night here on the earth.

Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science.

Plants before the sun is scientifically impossible. There is this thing called photosynthesis....kind of important.

Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind.

If we're doing insults, I think it's childish to think that Genesis is to be taken literal. It's an obvious myth.

Hoghead1 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok, I will give you an example. I always like to start "In the Beginning". The Bible says there was a beginning. Science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Bible is true. Lets go onto verse 2. We read: "1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;". Again science can verify that this is true. There was a time in the beginning when there was nothing. Verse 3 God said let there be light. WE know that there was light in the beginning. Verse 4 God divided the night from the darkness. We know there is light and darkness. Verse 5 God created day and night. Again we know that there is day and night here on the earth.

Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true. Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind. It does not good to argue with them. They need to be born again. They need to advance and evolve beyond their reprobate state of existence.

The Bible does snot say that there was "nothing" in the beginning. The Bible simply says that God created the heavens and the earth. Some interpret Genesis as claiming creatio ex nihilo. But that is not necessarily the case. The account also suggests that God created the earth out of co some sort of preexistent chaos. So did God first create out of nothing a chaos and then work from there? If God could crate out of nothing, why the chaos step? Certainly God did not crate us out of nothing. God created Adam out of dust or mud, not out of nothing. God creates the adult out of teh child, not out of nothing.

Hoghead1 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok, I will give you an example. I always like to start "In the Beginning". The Bible says there was a beginning. Science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Bible is true. Lets go onto verse 2. We read: "1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;". Again science can verify that this is true. There was a time in the beginning when there was nothing. Verse 3 God said let there be light. WE know that there was light in the beginning. Verse 4 God divided the night from the darkness. We know there is light and darkness. Verse 5 God created day and night. Again we know that there is day and night here on the earth.

Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true. Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind. It does not good to argue with them. They need to be born again. They need to advance and evolve beyond their reprobate state of existence.

P.S. Also, your use of inflammatory rhetoric and character-assassination prose here is totally inappropriate in a theological discussion. Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, you need to evolve beyond the fundamentalist ideological state of existence?

florida2 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true.

No, that is not what you've shown at all. Saying that there isn't a contradiction does not show that something is true.

I can pick out sections of the Harry Potter books that talk about cars, steam trains and London. The evidence shows that the Harry Potter books are true.

Robert Palase · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true. Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind. It does not good to argue with them. They need to be born again. They need to advance and evolve beyond their reprobate state of existence.

This is what happens when religions take the reins.

If their God is so good why are there so many slums and so many poor people, religions stop people from thinking for themselves.

Jimmy D · Jun 2, 2016

Jimmy D said:
If you want to get 'straight to the point' please show me any shred of scientific or historical (not biblical) evidence that Noah existed and I'll concede he's not mythical, how about that?

So can I assume that you haven't got any evidence, historic or scientific, that suggests Noah is no more than myth? There was a lot of bluster in your post to me implying my ignorance and extolling your expertise in ancient history.

The thread title is that science proves the bible.... well geology, paleontology and biology disprove the Noah myth no matter how you try and ignore the fact.

SteveB28 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok, I will give you an example. I always like to start "In the Beginning". The Bible says there was a beginning. Science says there is a beginning. That is scientific evidence that the Bible is true. Lets go onto verse 2. We read: "1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;". Again science can verify that this is true. There was a time in the beginning when there was nothing. Verse 3 God said let there be light. WE know that there was light in the beginning. Verse 4 God divided the night from the darkness. We know there is light and darkness. Verse 5 God created day and night. Again we know that there is day and night here on the earth.

Ok that is the first five verses and there is no conflict with science. The evidence shows that the Bible is true. Those who reject the truth of the Bible have a reprobate mind. It does not good to argue with them. They need to be born again. They need to advance and evolve beyond their reprobate state of existence.

Oh dear, dear, dear....

You do realise, poor man, that we knew about night and day, light and darkness, etc BEFORE the bloody bible was written!?

The bible writers have simply utilised what we already knew, in order to write their silly tales

joshua 1 9 · Jun 2, 2016

SteveB28 said:
You do realise, poor man, that we knew about night and day, light and darkness, etc BEFORE the bloody bible was written!?

Again you miss the point. The point is that we have scientific evidence and verification so that we can know beyond any doubt that the Bible is accurate and true. Only those with a reprobate mind do not see that because they want to suppress the truth. They demand evidence but that evidence will be of no avail for them because their reprobate mind will not allow them to accept or receive that evidence. "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark4:12 The Bible makes all of this abundantly clear for those who want to know the truth.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 2, 2016

Jimmy D said:
So can I assume that you haven't got any evidence, historic or scientific, that suggests Noah is no more than myth?

First of all IF Noah was not a real person then he would be a archetype not a myth. What is amazing with God is that He is able to use real people as an object lesson for us to learn from. For those who do not know God they do not realize how God is able to do this. It would not matter if Noah was a real person or not because the lesson we learn from the story remains the same. Perhaps you would like to demonstrate some understanding and explain to us just what the story of Noah is all about and what the lesson is we are to learn from that. So what is this story all about? Just what is the deeper spiritual meaning? Do you know, do you understand?

"At the time of Noah, the earth had become corrupted. God wanted to cleanse his creation, so he devised a plan to flood the earth and rid it of its wickedness. And why was man considered wicked? Genesis states that man was wicked because his thoughts and imaginations were evil (Gen 6:5)." So maybe, just maybe the story of Noah would be a very good story for people with a reprobate mind. Because that is exactly what we are dealing with in the story. We are dealing with the destruction of a people where every though and every imagination were evil. So the story of Noah then becomes a stumbling block for them because they are not willing to use the story to examine themselves.

People need to let go of the sin that holds them back. So their brain can work the way God designed their brain to function. So they can put off their primal nature and evolve into or become the people that God intends for us to be. Jesus paid the price so we can be born again and a new Creation in Christ. Putting off the old and putting on the new nature.

"The writer to the Hebrews tells us that "Types" are but the "SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THING." Heb. 10:1. That is, the Old Testament "Types" are but "SHADOWS." But there cannot be a "shadow" without some "REAL THING" to make it. And a "shadow" is not the "very image of the thing,"for a shadow is out of proportion, and is an imperfect representation of the thing it reveals. So the Old Testament Types are "shadows" in the sense that they are not the "Real Thing," and are but imperfect revelations of it."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/larkin/dt/28.cfm

joshua 1 9 · Jun 2, 2016

florida2 said:
Harry Potter books

These books are based on witchcraft and sorcery. We are living in the great apostasy (falling away from the truth) Before primer books like this needed to be more veiled but now we are getting close to the end then evil is more rampant. I remember a girl once when she was told how evil and wicked Harry Potter books were she was shocked and amazed. There was a friend of mine that use to go out to the festivals with a huge banner so he could educate the young people to christian perspective about these books. He was sort of a Arthur Blessitt type. Sometimes he would carry a big cross.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 2, 2016

JonFromMinnesota said:
Yep. Circles.

No not circles at all. For over 100 years men of science have been presenting scientific evidence to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. There is lots and lots and lots to study and examine. Archaeology is an excellent example. For example they had to put a drainage system into the temple mount and that required them to remove some dirt. They took that dirt out to the dump and the archaeologist from the university got a permit to sift through that dirt. What they found were arrow heads that verified that a story in the Bible was accurate and true. People that want to know the truth read and study the evidence. Reprobates that do not want to know simply do not examine the evidence. They can be healed but they do not want to turn away from their sin.

13 This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ 14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’…Matt13

https://templemount.wordpress.com/brief-introduction-to-the-project/

SteveB28 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Again you miss the point. The point is that we have scientific evidence and verification so that we can know beyond any doubt that the Bible is accurate and true. Only those with a reprobate mind do not see that because they want to suppress the truth. They demand evidence but that evidence will be of no avail for them because their reprobate mind will not allow them to accept or receive that evidence. "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark4:12 The Bible makes all of this abundantly clear for those who want to know the truth.

Oh, sigh....

Pay careful attention......

If you make an observation, or a prediction AFTER the relevant knowledge has already been discovered, then you really aren't making a very unique statement, are you?

The bible writers, unless they were very uneducated and ignorant, already knew about concepts of night and day, sun and stars, light and darkness BEFORE they wrote those tales. They weren't making a prediction and then had it confirmed by science.....it was the other way 'round! They made up stories based upon existing knowledge!

joshua 1 9 · Jun 2, 2016

Hieronymus said:
How about Genesis 1 then, and all references to it?

I accept the day age theory but I am pretty much a dispensationalist. I believe a day in Genesis is 1,000 years. I use the nano diamond comet as a MARKER for when this age we live in began 12,900 years ago. (12,985) We are very close to the last day or the 1,000 year reign of Christ here on this earth. This really needs to be the subject of another thread. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090105-nanodiamonds.html

The Apophis Asteroid will come scarily close to Earth on Friday April 13, 2029. I use this as another marker. The Apophis asteroid travels on a 7 year circuit so in 2036 the comet will mark resurrection Sunday. As the day draws closer people will want to talk more about his. There will be people wanting to sell their books and make money off of the event.

SteveB28 · Jun 2, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
I remember a girl once when she was told how evil and wicked Harry Potter books were she was shocked and amazed.

And probably doubled over with laughter............

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