Profitable store closed due to crime

[rjs330]

Lots of cities have areas that aren't safe. I live in Baltimore, which has one of the highest murder rates in the country, but my neighborhood rarely has to deal with anything more than porch pirates and minor property damage. But the existence of bad areas doesn't speak to overall trends nor whether your should feel more or less safe now than you did 5, 10, or 20 years ago.

Yes you could. With victim rates climbing and with people not reporting crimes people KNOW what's going on and we know based upon those things that the FBI stats are not an accurate representation of the reality that people face on a day to day basis. Those areas you mention are the areas that businesses are closing down in. Just cause your area is safe it my area is safe doesn't mean crime is not happening elsewhere.

We want all areas to be much safer. And they are not.

 

[SummerMadness]

This is most likely exaggeration and outright falsehoods pushed by the Daily Mail. I don't trust them as a publication, they once used my name and likeness to promote a false story. I would take this story with a grain of salt, look at overall crime trends, not the "facts" presented in this article.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes you could. With victim rates climbing and with people not reporting crimes people KNOW what's going on and we know based upon those things that the FBI stats are not an accurate representation of the reality that people face on a day to day basis.

Tell me you didn't read either the FBI stats or the actual victimization report without telling me that you didn't read them.

This graph is from the victimization report and contains data about total victimizations and just those reported to police (which is what the FBI report describes):

While the curves aren't identical, the trends match each other and the gap between them now is actually smaller than it's been over most of the last 30 years.

 

[rjs330]

This is most likely exaggeration and outright falsehoods pushed by the Daily Mail. I don't trust them as a publication, they once used my name and likeness to promote a false story. I would take this story with a grain of salt, look at overall crime trends, not the "facts" presented in this article.

Sounds like you could sue.

 

[rjs330]

Tell me you didn't read either the FBI stats or the actual victimization report without telling me that you didn't read them.

This graph is from the victimization report and contains data about total victimizations and just those reported to police (which is what the FBI report describes):

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While the curves aren't identical, the trends match each other and the gap between them now is actually smaller than it's been over most of the last 30 years.

I think you are missing the point. It's not about what it was in 1993. The point is it's going up NOW. And you are listing only violent crimes. There is more than just violent crime to worry about. And with people not reporting crimes it makes it much more difficult to be accurate. I think I'm done here. It's obvious that some want to live in a bubble and ignore what's going on around them. All you have to do is read the articles that want to claim all is well. Meanwhile the rest of us who are really paying attention or actually live in these places know better.

One can ignore all things like victimization and lack of reporting all they want. But all that means is one is pretending it doesn't exist.

 

[FireDragon76]

I already did.

I don't see it. I see assertions and anecdotes.

 

[FireDragon76]

Lots of cities have areas that aren't safe. I live in Baltimore, which has one of the highest murder rates in the country, but my neighborhood rarely has to deal with anything more than porch pirates and minor property damage. But the existence of bad areas doesn't speak to overall trends nor whether your should feel more or less safe now than you did 5, 10, or 20 years ago.

I live in a neighborhood in Orlando that has a bad reputation in some of the affluent suburbs, but about the worst crimes I've seen are porch pirates (who stole an old shaving brush in a box off my porch: I hope they like shaving...). The bad reputation is mostly just coded racism, because alot of Black and Latino people live here, as if that's somehow synonymous with crime.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think you are missing the point. It's not about what it was in 1993. The point is it's going up NOW. And you are listing only violent crimes. There is more than just violent crime to worry about. And with people not reporting crimes it makes it much more difficult to be accurate. I think I'm done here. It's obvious that some want to live in a bubble and ignore what's going on around them. All you have to do is read the articles that want to claim all is well. Meanwhile the rest of us who are really paying attention or actually live in these places know better.

One can ignore all things like victimization and lack of reporting all they want. But all that means is one is pretending it doesn't exist.

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m formulating my opinions on the history of the data while you’re formulating yours on the headlines. Yes, crime went up in 2022, but to a level comparable to that of a few years prior, and it probably went back down in 2023. The way you’re arguing, it would seem that the fact it went up is cause to think the sky is falling.

 

[SummerMadness]

Sounds like you could sue.

I probably would not be successful, they did accurately quote me, they simply took the quote out of context. And the images they used were publicly available online, so anyone can access them. I knew something was up when I received a slew of emails cursing me and threatening me. Family members also started getting threatening texts because some online search engine connected my name to their cell phone numbers. I forwarded everything to local law enforcement, but yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of media doxing.

 

[RoBo1988]

This is most likely exaggeration and outright falsehoods pushed by the Daily Mail. I don't trust them as a publication, they once used my name and likeness to promote a false story. I would take this story with a grain of salt, look at overall crime trends, not the "facts" presented in this article.

Same story was also shared from NBC's Today show and television station KTLA

 

[rjs330]

I don't see it. I see assertions and anecdotes.

Sorry you missed it.

 

[SummerMadness]

Same story was also shared from NBC's Today show and television station KTLA

I don't think that bolsters the credibility of the report, Today Show and KTLA are TV, likely looking to promote sensational headlines that will get attention. There's a reason why crime stories lead news broadcasts, "if it bleeds, it leads." Crime has been on a downward trend for decade yet people think the country is more dangerous when it has gotten safer and safer.

 

[rjs330]

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m formulating my opinions on the history of the data while you’re formulating yours on the headlines. Yes, crime went up in 2022, but to a level comparable to that of a few years prior, and it probably went back down in 2023. The way you’re arguing, it would seem that the fact it went up is cause to think the sky is falling.

Crime went up. That's not good. The fact that some crimes went down that's good too. Particularly violent crime. But other crime went up and stayed up. Victimization is up and unreported crime is a further problem demonstrating that crime is up. No one is claiming the sky is falling. But we want to be realistic too and not dismiss the facts that in some of the places that need businesses and opportunities the most are losing out because of the crime.

I'm concerned that minimizing by over exaggeration by claiming crime isn't an issue and any one who thinks so is saying the sky is falling is really missing the important things. That crime is still a big enough problem and that's it's creating issues for job, opportunity and community growth.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m formulating my opinions on the history of the data while you’re formulating yours on the headlines. Yes, crime went up in 2022, but to a level comparable to that of a few years prior, and it probably went back down in 2023. The way you’re arguing, it would seem that the fact it went up is cause to think the sky is falling.

Crime Victimization survey says crime went up.....44%.

It's detached from FBI crime statistics in a way it hasn't in decades.

You have multiple big cities that changed crime classifications, are unable to respond to calls (hence no police report, hence no FBI stat)....or people simply don't want to bother the police over whatever crime they think won't be pursued.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Crime Victimization survey says crime went up.....44%.

It's detached from FBI crime statistics in a way it hasn't in decades.

Eyeballing the charts (i.e. not looking at the actual numbers), 2022 looks to have been pretty close to 2017 and 2012 on both total victimization and the delta between that and the FBI stats.

Again, it’s not good that it went up, but it looks to still be within the range of normal for the last 20 years.

 

[RoBo1988]

More "biased" news about the same story...

In-N-Out Burger announces first-ever plans to shut down California store over 'ongoing crime'

For the first time ever, the only fast-food chain in America that serves Bible verses with its burgers is closing a store location in Northern California due to ongoing issues with crime

www.christianpost.com

 

[RoBo1988]

Looks like Walgreens is in trouble, too.

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[iluvatar5150]

Looks like Walgreens is in trouble, too.

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Was either that location or the one nearby originally a RiteAid? Walgreens bought RiteAid a few years ago and closed many of the now-redundant stores.

 

[RoBo1988]

Was either that location or the one nearby originally a RiteAid? Walgreens bought RiteAid a few years ago and closed many of the now-redundant stores.

I don't know, but the squad is upset. Rite aid is still going in this area ( SW OH), Walgreens and CVS as well.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Eyeballing the charts (i.e. not looking at the actual numbers), 2022 looks to have been pretty close to 2017 and 2012 on both total victimization and the delta between that and the FBI stats.

I was speaking of 2023, sorry for the confusion.

The detachment I referred to (also, from just eyeballing the chart you posted) is the Victimization survey going up while FBI stats trend down. Generally they seem to either both trend up...or trend down....not disagree.

Again, it’s not good that it went up, but it looks to still be within the range of normal for the last 20 years.