Pager Explosions Injure Thousands in Lebanon and Syria - Several Killed

rambot · Sep 24, 2024

Vambram said:
If nations and governments lived by those verses, what do you think ought to happen when violent terrorists and armies attack the civilians of other nations?

Well maybe Christians wouldn't self righteously post that they love the idea of bombing people to bits.

I don't expect government to live by those verses but I would expect christians too and I would expect their heart and their will to align AND SUPPORT such things.

Seriously; as JEsus says...how hard is it to love your friends...even Muslims do that.

You know, those people now, apparently, characterized as liars.

https://www.al-islam.org/greater-si...ng is the worst,or lead to economic disasters.

I guess Christians are ALSO okay with misrepresenting their enemies too.

Sometimes Christian Forums disappoints me.

ralliann · Sep 24, 2024

Vanellus said:
Civilians has only one l.

Hmm I think Israel might have bombarded Lebanon and Syria as well. Does that count as a "terror war"? Has Lebanon had to evacuate people as well?

The Toll of 10 Months of Simmering Conflict on the Israel-Lebanon Border

Were the murdered eight year old girl and eleven year old boy "specifically targeted"?

"This is a war"
You are normalizing extreme violence

October 7th isn't real violence?

ralliann · Sep 24, 2024

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Constantly blaming Israel. Did you actually read what they wrote? My point was "they would ALL still be alive if Hezbollah and Hamas would stop their constant aggression toward Israel. Pretty simple."

They were and are still holding hostages. Some Americans. killing them slowly, won't stop and release them. But Israel is doing something terrible? No.

Landon Caeli · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

MAybe you've heard the verse?

I guess I'm bad then. I still would.

rambot · Sep 24, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
I guess I'm bad then. I still would.

I'm sorry to read that.

There is not a person nor group in the world I could fell justified in dropping bombs on.

Landon Caeli · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
I'm sorry to read that.

There is not a person nor group in the world I could fell justified in dropping bombs on.

Maybe we were raised differently. I'm not sure.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 24, 2024

bèlla said:
Are you serious? You're berating me for failing to defend you? I responded to a post and rarely read these threads because I find them distasteful. Your support of Israel had no influence on my response.

~bella

Whatever...nice pass

rjs330 · Sep 24, 2024

dzheremi said:
He'd be able to make it happen without killing thousands of civilians, too, unlike the political gods of the Zionists.

Actually when he comes he will kill everyone who opposes him.

dzheremi said:
That guy over there supports terrorism" based on literally nothing that I've written!

I'll bring honest i haven't been following super close all your comments. But if you are responding like some others on this thread, then I can see why someone may say that.

dzheremi said:
The secular state of Israel is now Assyria?

God has used all kinds of countries to bring judgement to others. I think God is using Israel to bring judgement against the rhe terrorists and their supporters.

dzheremi said:
How Jesus' return gets wrapped up in it is beyond me (and, notably, basically all Palestinian Christians, who might have a thing or two to say about Jesus that is not based on a dispensationalist reading of scripture and history, should anyone care what those "in the neighborhood" where all this stuff is actually happening have to say about anything).

It's not difficult when you read rhe scriptures. And what rhe scriptures say is all I care about. I'm not very interested in what someone in the neighborhood had to say if they don't believe waht rhe scriptures say.

dzheremi said:
Chiliasm has been condemned as a heresy by the Christian Church since at least the fourth century. "Whose kingdom shall have NO end."

What are you talking about. Tue 1000 year reign had nothing to do with his unending kingdom. It has to do what is going to happen on this planet before the final judgement.

Did you somehow think.it did?

rjs330 · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
So we should assume that previous to the Holocaust, Israel DEFINITELY did something really, REALLY wicked...or not.

Also, if Iran were to drop a nuke on Israel, would they then ALSO just be pouring out God's judgement?

You have to know what wicked is first.

If you can't see the difference between the Jews in Germany before the holocaust and a bunch of terrorists. Then I can't help you.

rjs330 · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

MAybe you've heard the verse?

Do you somehow believe that this applies to nations of the world? I guess we should have just let Hitler have Europe.

rjs330 · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
Well maybe Christians wouldn't self righteously post that they love the idea of bombing people to bits.

I don't think anyone has.said that.

rambot said:
I don't expect government to live by those verses but I would expect christians too and I would expect their heart and their will to align AND SUPPORT such things.

So you believe in national pacifism then? Or No christian should have supported the war against Gemany?

rjs330 · Sep 24, 2024

rambot said:
I'm sorry to read that.

There is not a person nor group in the world I could fell justified in dropping bombs on.

Including Nazis? Maybe the Japenese in WWII? Don't you support Ukraine killing Russians?

rambot · Sep 24, 2024

rjs330 said:
Including Nazis? Maybe the Japenese in WWII? Don't you support Ukraine killing Russians?

None of those groups impacted me. Other than a LOT of Ukrainian refugees coming to my hometown.

rambot · Sep 24, 2024

rjs330 said:
I don't think anyone has.said that.

Well posters are saying they are quite happy to see this many deaths...I think someone said they'd personally do more.

rjs330 said:
So you believe in national pacifism then? Or No christian should have supported the war against Gemany?

There were quite a few christian groups that remained impartial at least in part because they abhorred war.

Are you suggesting that is problematic?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 25, 2024

rambot said:
None of those groups impacted me. Other than a LOT of Ukrainian refugees coming to my hometown.

But they likely would have if something by someone (but not you of course) was not done to stop them...

ralliann · Sep 25, 2024

rjs330 said:
Do you somehow believe that this applies to nations of the world? I guess we should have just let Hitler have Europe.

Yep, exactly. Let the tyrants rule the world.....

ralliann · Sep 25, 2024

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
But they likely would have if something by someone (but not you of course) was not done to stop them...

The liberals worried about How Israel defends itself. This is better than the smart bombs that they were denied by the very same people.

rjs330 · Sep 26, 2024

rambot said:
None of those groups impacted me. Other than a LOT of Ukrainian refugees coming to my hometown.

So you do feel there are people worth dropping bombs on then? Cause you said there wasn't anyone you feel justified dropping bombs on.

rjs330 · Sep 26, 2024

rambot said:
Well posters are saying they are quite happy to see this many deaths.

Who?

rambot said:
There were quite a few christian groups that remained impartial at least in part because they abhorred war.

Are you suggesting that is problematic?

That's not what I asked. Do you believe we should have a national pacifist stance? That no Christian should support a war?

rjs330 · Sep 26, 2024

ralliann said:
Yep, exactly. Let the tyrants rule the world.....

I do understand the issue between Ukraine and Gaza. Why do we support Israel and not Ukraine. Here's how I feel about that.

I don't support any country invading another unless the country being invaded has been attacking the other. This is what's happened in Gaza. (Except Gaza isn't really a country, but they have been attacking Israel for years).

Russia should be stopped from invading Ukraine.

In both cases it's up to the world to come to the defense of any country being invaded by another. It's not up to the US to police the world alone. Unless it's a specific ally with which we have an obligation to assist. If the world gets together and wants to pitch in to defend Ukraine then I'm in too.

If the world wants to defend Gaza then we'd have to weigh in on the ally issue before we jumped in, but in this case Israel is specifically attacking due to the decades long attacks against her. In essence she's defending herself from attacks.

In both cases right now I'm for allowing Ukraine and Israel to purchase equipment from us with their own money. I'm not for us giving either any money unless previously agreed upon. And im not for putting any boots on the ground unless other countries form a coalition and we join it.

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