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Opinion: Catholics Should Not Be Organ Donors When ‘Brain Death’ Is the Standard...

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COMMENTARY: The April 11 statement by The National Catholic Bioethics Center affirms that ‘a partial brain death standard can never be acceptable to Catholics.’

Tremendous controversy surrounds the discussions surrounding brain death, which is the notion that when the brain is dead, the person is dead.

In 1997 one of the world’s foremost brain death scholars published “Recovery from ‘Brain Death’: A Neurologist’s Apologia (republished with updated endnotes in April 2024). In it, pediatric neurologist D. Alan Shewmon, a convert to Catholicism, documents his professional conversion from believing that brain-dead patients are dead to the firm conviction that nearly all of them are alive. (He allows for the possibility that some patients who have died from widespread bodily injury incidentally meet the criteria for brain death.) “There is no question that [this] truth will eventually prevail,” Shewmon wrote. “The only questions are: after how long a time and at what human cost?”

Despite this clarion call 27 years ago to stop harvesting organs from brain-dead patients, organ donation and transplantation practices have remained essentially unchanged.

While some Catholics hold that the person is dead when there is complete and irreversible cessation of all brain activity (“whole brain death”), a growing number of Catholics agree with Shewmon that whole brain death cannot be used to diagnose the death of the person. Crucially, though, on a pragmatic level, this difference of opinion is irrelevant because the medical criteria to diagnose brain death establishes only partial loss of brain function (“partial brain death”). All Catholics agree that patients with partial brain death are alive, and the Catholic Church forbids removing vital organs when this act would kill the patient.

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This is a subject that truly upsets me.

My nephew aged 6 was given two prognosis after a car wreck, one said let him heal he's bruised [spinal cord] the other said severed, he will never live normal, get the parents to be organ donors.

I just can't even talk about it.
Falsely told them he was deaf and blind but I saw his eyes being tested by the one year med dr and they dilated and also he specifically heard me ask him a question.

I forgive them. But I do not like the policy.
Okay...
So I took being a donor off my license.
IF your organs are valuable, that's all you are now.

I still believe in being a donor, but I must be completely brain dead [like my dad was] a flat line EEG.
 
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As Catholics, we believe that life begins when God infuses an animating soul. Death occurs when that soul leaves the body.

Evidence of the presence of a soul is found in the operations of any bodily function, not just the brain. The immunity systems of "brain" dead persons continue, growth (symmetrical) eg., in fingernails continues, the healing of present wounds continues, etc. Without an animating principle, ie., soul, these bodily functions are impossible.
 
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Ethical Challenges to Neurological Criteria for Death​

"Based on Catholic ethics tradition and ongoing consideration related to these issues, I think the consensus is that some take the position that the present criteria have moral, if not absolute clinical, certainty, while others would say we should try to address the rare cases with heightened tests.

" As St. John Paul II has written, one way of nurturing a genuine culture of life "is the donation of organs, performed in an ethically acceptable manner, with a view to offering a chance of health and even of life itself to the sick who sometimes have no other hope."

 
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"partial brain death" is the operative words here. Full brain death requires extraordinary
care which the Church says extreme measures are not necessary.

The title of the thread is misleading.
 
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As Catholics, we believe that life begins when God infuses an animating soul. Death occurs when that soul leaves the body.

Evidence of the presence of a soul is found in the operations of any bodily function, not just the brain. The immunity systems of "brain" dead persons continue, growth (symmetrical) eg., in fingernails continues, the healing of present wounds continues, etc. Without an animating principle, ie., soul, these bodily functions are impossible.
He knew us before He knit us in the womb...
 
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"partial brain death" is the operative words here. Full brain death requires extraordinary
care which the Church says extreme measures are not necessary.

The title of the thread is misleading.
The unfortunate criteria is when someone says it is brain death but it is not.

My 6 year old nephew was said to have no quality of life but opinions varied of the x-rays.
Basically he had an injury to his spinal cord and Childrens hospital said it would heal over time because he was so young.
Another said paralyzed.

Instead of sending him to Childrens who was equipped, they lied - flat out lied to the parents that he was blind but I was standing there when the exam on his eyes showed dilation.
They said he was deaf but when I asked him to look at me, he did.

And they said he would die in transport to Childrens who said that was fake.

IT was literally about harvesting his organs.
It took a long time to heal from those lies.

I'm ok now to talk about it... but I just do not trust their 'OPINIONS' on brain dead.
Same for Terri Shiavo.

It is fully about money because $50,000 plus per organ. I do not know the stats today.
I took it off my drivers license.
I will not do DNR because they will just walk away and releases their efforts.

Now I know triage means to help the most viable per studying medical, but I would hope priests are standard for deaths.
 
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"partial brain death" is the operative words here. Full brain death requires extraordinary
care which the Church says extreme measures are not necessary.

The title of the thread is misleading.
Thanks for clarifying .
 
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The unfortunate criteria is when someone says it is brain death but it is not.

My 6 year old nephew was said to have no quality of life but opinions varied of the x-rays.
Basically he had an injury to his spinal cord and Childrens hospital said it would heal over time because he was so young.
Another said paralyzed.

Instead of sending him to Childrens who was equipped, they lied - flat out lied to the parents that he was blind but I was standing there when the exam on his eyes showed dilation.
They said he was deaf but when I asked him to look at me, he did.

And they said he would die in transport to Childrens who said that was fake.

IT was literally about harvesting his organs.
It took a long time to heal from those lies.

I'm ok now to talk about it... but I just do not trust their 'OPINIONS' on brain dead.
Same for Terri Shiavo.

It is fully about money because $50,000 plus per organ. I do not know the stats today.
I took it off my drivers license.
I will not do DNR because they will just walk away and releases their efforts.

Now I know triage means to help the most viable per studying medical, but I would hope priests are standard for deaths.
I am sorry about your nephew. May God wrap you in his loving embrace.
 
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I am sorry about your nephew. May God wrap you in his loving embrace.
That happened in 2002
I know his mom has changed so much.
She was my bff and then sister in law.
She married my exes brother and she finally is divorcing him for abuse.

I have healed over the years. It took a lot but I don't trust the medical profession much anymore.
 
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"partial brain death" is the operative words here. Full brain death requires extraordinary
care which the Church says extreme measures are not necessary.

The title of the thread is misleading.
The thread is about ending the life of a living person.

While as Catholics we are not obligated to provide extraordinary medical interventions to preserve life, we are never permitted to actively end that "brain dead" person's life.

Evil means never justify the ends. Harvesting organs from a living person causes that person's death. Full stop.
 
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The unfortunate criteria is when someone says it is brain death but it is not.

My 6 year old nephew was said to have no quality of life but opinions varied of the x-rays.
Basically he had an injury to his spinal cord and Childrens hospital said it would heal over time because he was so young.
Another said paralyzed.

Instead of sending him to Childrens who was equipped, they lied - flat out lied to the parents that he was blind but I was standing there when the exam on his eyes showed dilation.
They said he was deaf but when I asked him to look at me, he did.

And they said he would die in transport to Childrens who said that was fake.

IT was literally about harvesting his organs.
It took a long time to heal from those lies.

I'm ok now to talk about it... but I just do not trust their 'OPINIONS' on brain dead.
Same for Terri Shiavo.

It is fully about money because $50,000 plus per organ. I do not know the stats today.
I took it off my drivers license.
I will not do DNR because they will just walk away and releases their efforts.

Now I know triage means to help the most viable per studying medical, but I would hope priests are standard for deaths.

Third hand info from the parents is often flawed.

Full brain death means there is no function of the brain at all.

Partial brain function means that a level of brain activity can be detected.
 
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While as Catholics we are not obligated to provide extraordinary medical interventions to preserve life, we are never permitted to actively end that "brain dead" person's life.

Evil means never justify the ends. Harvesting organs from a living person causes that person's death. Full stop.
Read the headline of the thread, then read the article. There are two different definitions used and of which the thread is about
 
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FYI, Terri Shiavo was in fact dead. The autopsy showed her brain being a clump of gel, no activity
whatsoever.

For those of us who believe in God's mercy, we need to let go when its time to let go.
Hang onto life when it means not using extreme measures to keep the body breathing
and heart beating by machines alone.
 
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FYI, Terri Shiavo was in fact dead. The autopsy showed her brain being a clump of gel, no activity
whatsoever.

For those of us who believe in God's mercy, we need to let go when its time to let go.
Hang onto life when it means not using extreme measures to keep the body breathing
and heart beating by machines alone.
The media - doing it's part to impart fiction.
People hating disabled people.



Go to a home for cerebral palsy.

Should we call them brain dead and unworthy of life?
The Catholic Church does not teach that.
People are not disposable because they are a burden.

Youtube and the internet were scrubbed clean of the last video of her screaming 'No! I don't want to die!'
Donna sent it to me back when.... It was on ABC news.

I saw it.
 
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Third hand info from the parents is often flawed.

Full brain death means there is no function of the brain at all.

Partial brain function means that a level of brain activity can be detected.
I was a witness of him seeing, hearing, and observing and eye dilation to light.
I was a witness of them wanting him to be wheeled into OP for harvesting.

What are you telling me, exactly?
I wasn't there?
 
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The thread is about ending the life of a living person.

While as Catholics we are not obligated to provide extraordinary medical interventions to preserve life, we are never permitted to actively end that "brain dead" person's life.

Evil means never justify the ends. Harvesting organs from a living person causes that person's death. Full stop.
Exactly.

Childrens hospital was only 2 hours away by car but air transport a lot faster.

I have forgiven the 'Dr' or whatever she was who jeered in my face when she just got done telling my sister in law he was not viable.
<<<<<I said he could have a mircale and should be transported. But they advised the parents to sign off for donation FOR IN CASE>>>>
The next day.... He was not viable.
It was only 6 days... and Childrens hospital said they had to wait 3 months to 'know' for sure.
 
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FYI, Terri Shiavo was in fact dead. The autopsy showed her brain being a clump of gel, no activity
whatsoever.

For those of us who believe in God's mercy, we need to let go when its time to let go.
Hang onto life when it means not using extreme measures to keep the body breathing
and heart beating by machines alone.
It's my understanding she was essentially starved to death and given no food and water.

She had an eating disorder than caused her to collapse and go into a coma.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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