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Hello folks. I am a 24 year old man, a Christian, as most of you guys know. My parents are Christian (recently converted to Catholicism), but they do not believe that we are living in the End Times, and that Revelations is more metaphorical for something that happened 1900 years ago, which was Nero. My folks told me, that because of so many failed predictions, discussing the end times is bad. We both agree that credit scores are probably not the Mark, and we 100% agree the vaccine is not the mark (my folks and I are vaccinated, and are for pandemic safety). But, I told them that the Mark may happen in the future, but they are not convinced. What should I tell them? I do think Nero was the start of the end times, but that the End Times is kicking into high gear in the 2020s. We may only have a decade or two (2030s) to a few centuries (say, maybe the 2300s) left here on this Earth.

Failed Predictions:
1994 (Camping)
1997 (Applewhite)
2000 (Y2K)
2011 (Camping again)
2012 (Mayan calendar)
2019 (Weinland)
2020 (Dixon)
2024 (Eclipse)
 

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Hello folks. I am a 24 year old man, a Christian, as most of you guys know. My parents are Christian (recently converted to Catholicism), but they do not believe that we are living in the End Times, and that Revelations is more metaphorical for something that happened 1900 years ago, which was Nero. My folks told me, that because of so many failed predictions, discussing the end times is bad. We both agree that credit scores are probably not the Mark, and we 100% agree the vaccine is not the mark (my folks and I are vaccinated, and are for pandemic safety). But, I told them that the Mark may happen in the future, but they are not convinced. What should I tell them? I do think Nero was the start of the end times, but that the End Times is kicking into high gear in the 2020s. We may only have a decade or two (2030s) to a few centuries (say, maybe the 2300s) left here on this Earth.

Failed Predictions:
1994 (Camping)
1997 (Applewhite)
2000 (Y2K)
2011 (Camping again)
2012 (Mayan calendar)
2019 (Weinland)
2020 (Dixon)
2024 (Eclipse)
I understand that your concern is out of Love for your Parents.

Jesus said this of the matter:
Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

37 Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives,

Of all the things He says... He says this to answer your very heart on this matter:

Luke 21:14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

Our part is, has always been and always will be Faith in His Goodness.. to provide what we need, when we need it. He will do so my dear Brother. He will reveal to you and your wonderful parents what is needed to be known if that time arrives. He will provide. We get to Trust in Him, what we haven't been revealed yet, on that matter.

Exodus 14:14

All Love to you and your wonderful parents, in the name of our precious Son of His Father and Father to us, His adopted children, Jesus Christ.
 
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I understand that your concern is out of Love for your Parents.

Jesus said this of the matter:
Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

37 Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives,

Of all the things He says... He says this to answer your very heart on this matter:

Luke 21:14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

Our part is, has always been and always will be Faith in His Goodness.. to provide what we need, when we need it. He will do so my dear Brother. He will reveal to you and your wonderful parents what is needed to be known if that time arrives. He will provide. We get to Trust in Him, what we haven't been revealed yet, on that matter.

Exodus 14:14

All Love to you and your wonderful parents, in the name of our precious Son of His Father and Father to us, His adopted children, Jesus Christ.
Hey, thank you. What should I tell my folks, if I want to bring up the End Times to them?
 
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You're parents were right. Revelations was more about the fall of Rome than the fall of the entire world. Where it gets confusing is at the time Revelations was written, Romme was the known world. Most of the time, our parents know more than we do at least in my experience.

Even if Revelations is talking about the entire world remember what Jesus said: .

Matthew 25:13 (King James's Bible)
Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. We don't know if it's now or a million years from now. Please try not to let lunatic conspiracy theorists influence your intelligent mind into unproven Biblical speculation which is not based on anything but paranoia. If I gave advice, that would be it.
 
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You're parents were right. Revelations was more about the fall of Rome than the fall of the entire world. Where it gets confusing is at the time Revelations was written, Romme was the known world. Most of the time, our parents know more than we do at least in my experience.

Even if Revelations is talking about the entire world remember what Jesus said: .

Matthew 25:13 (King James's Bible)
Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. We don't know if it's now or a million years from now. Please try not to let lunatic conspiracy theorists influence your intelligent mind into unproven Biblical speculation which is not based on anything but paranoia. If I gave advice, that would be it.
OK, my Laodicean friend. We will not know the hour of the end, but we do know that what is good will become bad, and what is bad will become good (Isaiah 5:20).

Look at the gender transformer stuff spewed from the far-left, and the toxic rhetoric spread from the far-right.
 
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Hey, thank you. What should I tell my folks, if I want to bring up the End Times to them?
Ask them if they will go over Exodus 14 with you. Explain to them that you don't know if the End Times will happen in our time or not, but that it is important to you that you and they are prepared.

Emphasize the fear that the Israelites felt when pinched between the Red Sea and the Egyptians... then... use this passage to teach them how to remain faithful, in the midst of such times, if they happen in your lifetime.

Exodus 14:13 Moses answered the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the Lord will bring you today. The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. 14 The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.”

This exemplifies Jesus' teachings on the matter and uses scripture to drive your point home.

That's my suggestion.
 
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Ask them if they will go over Exodus 14 with you. Explain to them that you don't know if the End Times will happen in our time or not, but that it is important to you that you and they are prepared.

Emphasize the fear that the Israelites felt when pinched between the Red Sea and the Egyptians... then... use this passage to teach them how to remain faithful, in the midst of such times, if they happen in your lifetime.

Exodus 14:13 Moses answered the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the Lord will bring you today. The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. 14 The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.”

This exemplifies Jesus' teachings on the matter and uses scripture to drive your point home.

That's my suggestion.
I will ask them, after making a Bible analysis of Exodus 14:13-14, Matthew 25:13 and the passages from Revelation.
 
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I will ask them, after making a Bible analysis of Exodus 14:13-14, Matthew 25:13 and the passages from Revelation.
I look forward to reading your analysis! I have used those passages to assure siblings with debilitating anxiety. It's a powerful passage!
 
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I look forward to reading your analysis! I have used those passages to assure siblings with debilitating anxiety. It's a powerful passage!
Amen to this. I will try to get the analysis done on Monday. All these analysis connect to the modern world.
 
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OK, my Laodicean friend. We will not know the hour of the end, but we do know that what is good will become bad, and what is bad will become good (Isaiah 5:20).

Look at the gender transformer stuff spewed from the far-left, and the toxic rhetoric spread from the far-right.
I hope you don't believe that this is something new. It was spoken about in the Old Testament. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just that now, you can't get stoned to death for going it/ Would that be a better world to live in. "There will always be wars and rumors of wars." Only God the Father knows when the day of judgement is coming. Any attempt to discern the date is futile. They thought it happened when the Temple was thrown down and every single generation since then has believes it was the end times in their day. There is just no way to know or even estimate when it will come.

PS It's not lukewarm to believe what Jesus said
 
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I hope you don't believe that this is something new. It was spoken about in the Old Testament. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just that now, you can't get stoned to death for going it/ Would that be a better world to live in. "There will always be wars and rumors of wars." Only God the Father knows when the day of judgement is coming. Any attempt to discern the date is futile. They thought it happened when the Temple was thrown down and every single generation since then has believes it was the end times in their day. There is just no way to know or even estimate when it will come.

PS It's not lukewarm to believe what Jesus said
I believe what Jesus has said also. A lot of pastors believe we are in the end days as well, or close to the end days. Yes, we will not know the end, but we know we are closer to the end days in 2024 AD compared to 50 AD.
 
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Yes, we will not know the end, but we know we are closer to the end days in 2024 AD compared to 50 AD.
You could be right, but don't let it stop you from contributing to an IRA. :)

Sorry to make light of your concerns with your parents, but does it really matter if they believe we are in the end times or not? Isn't living a good Christian life and loving God the important thing? So if the end comes, they will be more surprised than you, this doesn't mean Jesus loves them any less.
 
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I believe what Jesus has said also. A lot of pastors believe we are in the end days as well, or close to the end days. Yes, we will not know the end, but we know we are closer to the end days in 2024 AD compared to 50 AD.
Do you have a source to back up that claim? Did Jesus also say

"And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many." These preachers who try to tell you the end is near are the same ones who said the end is near back in 50 AD, the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance times, during the Industrial Revolution and now, the information age. The same predictions all through the millennia, all having 0 clue when the end will come. Could be later tonight or 50 million years from now. Only god knows..
 
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You could be right, but don't let it stop you from contributing to an IRA. :)

Sorry to make light of your concerns with your parents, but does it really matter if they believe we are in the end times or not? Isn't living a good Christian life and loving God the important thing? So if the end comes, they will be more surprised than you, this doesn't mean Jesus loves them any less.
Agreed 100%. I will not let it stop me from contributing to my future, or also in general, protecting the planet. It does not matter if they believe in the End Times, cos my parents and I both believe in Jesus, and are Christians, so my folks and I will both be in Heaven.
 
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Hello folks. I am a 24 year old man, a Christian, as most of you guys know. My parents are Christian (recently converted to Catholicism), but they do not believe that we are living in the End Times, and that Revelations is more metaphorical for something that happened 1900 years ago, which was Nero. My folks told me, that because of so many failed predictions, discussing the end times is bad.

I'd add The Late Great Planet Earth (Hal Lindsey, 1970) to your list of failed predictions. Lindsey guessed that the Second Coming would be during the 1980s. The book was popular when I was in high school.

It was my New Testament professor in college (a Christian college) who pointed out to me that people have been predicting Jesus' imminent return for many centuries now. AD 1000, for example, was a promising candidate, because of the millennium in Revelation.

I recommend living your life every day so that if Jesus appeared today, you could stand before him unashamed. At the same time, be skeptical of anyone who has calculated a particular year of Jesus' return, because no one knows the day or the hour.

If I recall correctly, you're Catholic. What does the Catholic Church teach about calculating the date of Jesus' return?
 
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I'd add The Late Great Planet Earth (Hal Lindsey, 1970) to your list of failed predictions. Lindsey guessed that the Second Coming would be during the 1980s. The book was popular when I was in high school.

It was my New Testament professor in college (a Christian college) who pointed out to me that people have been predicting Jesus' imminent return for many centuries now. AD 1000, for example, was a promising candidate, because of the millennium in Revelation.

I recommend living your life every day so that if Jesus appeared today, you could stand before him unashamed. At the same time, be skeptical of anyone who has calculated a particular year of Jesus' return, because no one knows the day or the hour.

If I recall correctly, you're Catholic. What does the Catholic Church teach about calculating the date of Jesus' return?
Agreed. The failed prediction list that I made was purposely made for the past 30 years (1994-2024), but the failed predictions go back centuries.

The Catholic Church does not provide a specific teaching on calculating the exact date of Jesus' Second Coming or "return." In fact, it encourages its members to focus on living holy and faithful lives in the present, rather than attempting to predict future events. This is based on biblical instructions such as Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32, and Acts 1:7 which state that only God knows when Jesus will return. Therefore, any attempt to calculate this date would be speculative at best and potentially misleading.
 
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The Catholic Church does not provide a specific teaching on calculating the exact date of Jesus' Second Coming or "return." In fact, it encourages its members to focus on living holy and faithful lives in the present, rather than attempting to predict future events. This is based on biblical instructions such as Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32, and Acts 1:7 which state that only God knows when Jesus will return. Therefore, any attempt to calculate this date would be speculative at best and potentially misleading.

I think the Catholic Church is showing great wisdom here.
 
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END TIMES – SOME F.A.Q’s [Frequently Asked Questions]

Who are the Lord’s People ? - To be gathered into the Promised Land, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-16

This is a difficult question and really only God knows. It does seem clear, from what the Bible tells us, that they are mostly actual descendants of Jacob. all the 12 tribes.
But, even in ancient days, foreigners joined and were accepted as Israelites:

Isaiah 56:8 Yet others I will gather, to those already gathered in the Land.

John 11:52 Jesus will die, not for the Jews alone but in order to gather together the scattered children of God. Revelation 5:9-10…people from every tribe, nation and language.

In Galatians 3:26-29. Paul says that all true believers in Jesus Christ are no longer aliens and are deemed by faith, to be children of Abraham. Isaiah 51:1-5, Isaiah 56:1-8

The New Testament brings a new day – not only would the Israelites be a part of God’s people but in this new day the Gentiles could be grafted into this people line. Therefore, all true believers in Jesus are now My People: the Israel of God, the Overcomers for Him.

You will know My people by their righteous lives:

John 15:16 You did not choose Me- I chose you. I appointed you to go on and bear fruit, fruit that will last.

Luke 6:44 Each tree is known by its fruit, you don’t get figs or grapes from brambles or thistles.

Matthew 12:33-35 You can tell a tree by its fruit.

Matthew 7:19 A tree that does not yield sound fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire

Isaiah 3:10 Happy are the righteous, all will be well with them. They will enjoy the fruits of their deeds.

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is the tree of life.

When will these end time events happen?
It is very scary, but it seems likely that the prophecies that speak clearly of the Lords Day of vengeance will be fulfilled in the near future. I agree with the idea that the Great Tribulation will finish with the Return of Jesus.

An interesting verse in Luke 13:32 Jesus says that He will work for 2 days then will attain His reward on the third. As a day is like 1000 years to the Lord in heaven, then His reward, His Millennial reign will start exactly 2000 years after the start of His ministry, in 29/30 AD. And again in Hosea 6:2 After 2 days, He will revive us. On the 3rd day we will live in His presence; during Jesus’ Millennium reign.

We can only guess how much time is needed for the Gathering and Judgement of His people and their settlement in the Land.

But, judgement may happen at any time, this crazy situation between Israel and the Muslims has gone on so long, just cannot stay like this forever. Watch Iran, their Shi-ite Muslim leaders are doing all they can to prepare the weapons to destroy Israel. This attack will be their doom. Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Jeremiah 49:35-36

How will His people gather in the Land ?
Jeremiah 30:10 Israel, do not despair, I shall bring you back safe from afar.

Ezekiel 34:11-12 Now I shall take a thought for My sheep and search for them. As a shepherd, I shall find and rescue my sheep, no matter where they were scattered, on the Day of darkness. [the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster]

Isaiah 49:22 The Lord says, I shall beckon to the nations, hoist My signal to the peoples and they will bring your sons in their arms and your daughters on their shoulders.

Jeremiah 16:15-17 I will bring the Israelites back to the Land that I gave to their forefathers. I shall send for many fishermen and they will fish for them. After that, I shall send for many hunters and they will hunt them from every place. For My eyes are on all their ways, I am watching them and I see any wrongdoing.

Isaiah 60:8-9 Who are these, that sail along like clouds, that fly like doves to their dovecotes? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands; they bring your children from far away, their treasure with them. The Holy One of Israel has made you glorious for His honour. Psalms 107

Hosea 2:14 Now I shall woo Israel and lead her into the wilderness, speak words of encouragement to her.

Psalm 68:7 God, when at the head of Your people, You marched through the barren waste – the earth trembled and rain poured down.

Psalm 68:17 There were myriads of Gods chariots when the Lord comes from Sinai.

Zechariah 8:8 My people, brought back to live in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 10:10 I shall lead them into Gilead and Lebanon, until there is no more room.

What will the Lord’s people eat and drink ?
Ezekiel 36:8 You, mountains of Israel will put forth your branches and yield fruit for My people, Israel for their homecoming is near. See, I am now for you, I shall turn to you – the land will be tilled and sown. I shall settle on you many people- the whole House of Israel.

Isaiah 41:17-19 The poor and needy look for water and find none. I, the Lord will provide for their needs. I shall open springs in the hills and pools in the desert.

Ezekiel 34:14-16 There will be rich grazing on the hills of Israel. I shall strengthen the sick and give My flock their proper food.

Micah 7:14….your flocks will graze in Bashan and Gilead as in days gone by. [currently part of Muslim Jordan]

Ezekiel 34:26-27 I will bless you with rain in due season. Trees will bear fruit and the soil its produce.

Psalm 81:16 You will be fed with the best flour and honey.

Joel 2:19 The Lord answered their appeal and said – I shall send you corn, new wine and oil. You will have plenty of food.

Where will My people gather ?

Ezekiel 37:21-22 I am going to take the Israelites from their places of exile among the nations. I shall assemble them on the mountains of Israel.

Amos 3:9 Make this proclamation – Assemble yourselves on the hills of Samaria, look at the tumult seething among her people.

Ezekiel 20:35-36 I shall bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, there I shall confront you and bring you to judgement. Even as I did to your forefathers in the desert of Egypt.

A leader appointed
Jeremiah 30:21 A governor will appear, one of your own number – I will bring him near and let him approach Me. Hosea 1:11 [BEFORE the Return of Jesus]

Prayer and encouragement for His people:
Colossians 1:9-12 We ask God that we may receive from Him, full insight into His will, all wisdom and spiritual understanding, so that our manner of life may be worthy of the Lord and entirely pleasing to Him. We pray that we may bear fruit in active goodness of every kind, and grow in the knowledge of God.

In His glorious might, may He give us ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes; and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made us fit to share in the heritage of Gods people in the Kingdom of light.
Ref: logostelos.info
 
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The book of revelation was written near the end of emperor Domitian's reign (81 to 96 BC).
Some date it during Nero's reign, like your parents, but that conflicts the view of the early church. For example Irenaus declared in the second century, that the book was written during end of Domitian's reign.
Later writers, such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Victorinus (who wrote one of the earliest commentaries on Revelation), Eusebius, and Jerome affirm the Domitian date.

The Spiritual decline of the 7 churches (chapters 2 and 3), also argues for the later date.
Those churches were strong and spiritually healthy in the mid-60s, when Paul last ministered in Asia Minor.
The brief time between Paul's ministry there and the end of Nero's reign was too short for such a decline to have occurred.

The longer time gap also explains the rise of the heretical sect known as the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15), who are not mentioned in Paul's letters, not even to one or more of these same churches (Ephesians).

Finally, dating Revelation during Nero's reign does not allow time for John's ministry in Asia Minor to reach the point at which the authorities would have felt the need to exile him.

Furthemore, we can look at the text itself. From chapter 4 until chapter 21, there is no mention of Church, and the Church is in Heaven. There is many catastrophes described in revelations, ask your parents when they happened? For example, when did third of fresh water become poisonous? When was third of the trees burned up? When did third of sea creatures die? When did waters become blood? None of these plagues in revelation happened yet.

We can look at chapter 11 for example. When was there 2 witnesses in Jerusalem who had the power to shut the sky so no rain would fall, and if anyoneone would try to harm them they would die? When did the two witnesses die and were ressurrected after three and a half days?

What about the 144,000 Jewish witnesses? I can go on and on, but my point is, once we examine the text, the believe that these things already happened falls apart. These all are future events.

I'm happy to talk about this more and answer any questions you might have.
 
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Hello folks. I am a 24 year old man, a Christian, as most of you guys know. My parents are Christian (recently converted to Catholicism), but they do not believe that we are living in the End Times, and that Revelations is more metaphorical for something that happened 1900 years ago, which was Nero. My folks told me, that because of so many failed predictions, discussing the end times is bad. We both agree that credit scores are probably not the Mark, and we 100% agree the vaccine is not the mark (my folks and I are vaccinated, and are for pandemic safety). But, I told them that the Mark may happen in the future, but they are not convinced. What should I tell them? I do think Nero was the start of the end times, but that the End Times is kicking into high gear in the 2020s. We may only have a decade or two (2030s) to a few centuries (say, maybe the 2300s) left here on this Earth.

Failed Predictions:
1994 (Camping)
1997 (Applewhite)
2000 (Y2K)
2011 (Camping again)
2012 (Mayan calendar)
2019 (Weinland)
2020 (Dixon)
2024 (Eclipse)
Tell them that you are trying to be ready if it's tomorrow or in a thousand years.
 
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