Muslims blowing up the world and who cares?

[Kevin Ambrose]

A. How man Muslims want Sharia in the west? Please show your working.
B. Why is Christian based law OK, but Muslim based law is not? Explain how that's justifiable?

The pew poll showed support in the countries these people are immigrating from. Who knows how many? Under Taqiyya they're allowed to lie when asked about such things.

If you really don't know the difference between Christian ideals and Muslim ideals then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Armoured]

Probably the same reason that the majority of racists aren't engaged in race war. They're drawing their inspiration from the same book(s) as the violent offenders but they're playing the long game instead.

The only difference is the Muslims have a chance at controlling the future of the West.

Not within the foreseeable future.

 

[Armoured]

The pew poll showed support in the countries these people are immigrating from. Who knows how many? Under Taqiyya they're allowed to lie when asked about such things.

More strawmanning, that in't what the Taqiya is. but thanks for admitting your mind is made up, and any contrary information you'll just handwave as a lie.

If you really don't know the difference between Christian ideals and Muslim ideals then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't explain your justification without condescension and insults, that tells me plenty.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

Not within the foreseeable future.

Birth and immigration rates in Europe say otherwise.

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

More strawmanning, that in't what the Taqiya is. but thanks for admitting your mind is made up, and any contrary information you'll just handwave as a lie.
If you can't explain your justification without condescension and insults, that tells me plenty.

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So Taqiyya is a "conspiracy theory" too? Tell me about "actual Taqiyya" then.

Nothing in Christian law says to throw gays off a roof top or to stone a woman for adultery. Actually, Jesus was quite clear on what to do in that situation (John 8).

 

[Armoured]

Yes, good point! Because mutilating woman's sexual parts is non radical. Or arranging the murder of your daughter/sister who dishonors her family is not radical at all. It's completely non-radical and normal.

You're right. It's not radical.[/QUOTE]

Who needs bombs when a knife or a rope around her neck or holding her head under water works just as well?

Or death by stoning the woman who has dishonored her family... that's a good non-radical form of murder. No need for radical bombs.[/QUOTE]
Good thing Christians and Jews never engage in honour killings or barbarous practices.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

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So Taqiyya is a "conspiracy theory" too? Tell me about "actual Taqiyya" then.

Nothing in Christian law says to throw gays off a roof top or to stone a woman for adultery. Actually, Jesus was quite clear on what to do in that situation (John 8).[/QUOTE]

Have you read you’re Bible or do you just ignore it?

 

[JD16]

Probably the same reason that the majority of racists aren't engaged in race war. They're drawing their inspiration from the same book(s) as the violent offenders but they're playing the long game instead.

The only difference is the Muslims have a chance at controlling the future of the West.

I think the violent ones are influenced by their local culture and abusing their religion to serve their own cause,.....Its mainly localized in the middle east, ..eg, Indonesia has the largest population of muslims anywhere and they are not nearly as violent as compared to the M.E,...

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

You're right. It's not radical.

Who needs bombs when a knife or a rope around her neck or holding her head under water works just as well?

Or death by stoning the woman who has dishonored her family... that's a good non-radical form of murder. No need for radical bombs.[/QUOTE]
Good thing Christians and Jews never engage in honour killings or barbarous practices.[/QUOTE]

Tell me about the honor killings going on in the Christian world today. Please.

This is what I meant when I said Muslims can do no wrong and Christians no right. Every claim made about Muslims your response is to say that Christians do bad things too. As though the scope and scale is at all comparable.

Here's been your position so far:

Fundamental Islamists are not real Muslims.
Sharia Law is not real Sharia.
Taqiyya is not real Taqiyya.

Oh and there's 100 million horrible people who base their world view off this religion but we shouldn't be opposed to those people moving here unvetted.

 

[Armoured]

So Taqiyya is a "conspiracy theory" too? Tell me about "actual Taqiyya" then.

If you're going to keep misrepresenting me, I'll stop talking to you. No one mentioned "conspiracy theories". The taqiya is the Islamic doctrine that a Muslim in fear of his life may lie about his faith to save it. It's not the generic licence to lie you think it is.

Nothing in Christian law says to throw gays off a roof top or to stone a woman for adultery. Actually, Jesus was quite clear on what to do in that situation (John 8).

Nothing in Muslim law says to throw gays off a roof, either. Like I said, that's a local interbretation, Sharia isn't a homogeneous singular thing like you think. As for stoning women for adultery, I'm pretty sure that IS a "Christian law" actually, if your idea of "Christian law" is sufficiently Biblical.

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

If you're going to keep misrepresenting me, I'll stop talking to you. No one mentioned "conspiracy theories". The taqiya is the Islamic doctrine that a Muslim in fear of his life may lie about his faith to save it. It's not the generic licence to lie you think it is.
Nothing in Muslim law says to throw gays off a roof, either. Like I said, that's a local interbretation, Sharia isn't a homogeneous singular thing like you think. As for stoning women for adultery, I'm pretty sure that IS a "Christian law" actually, if your idea of "Christian law" is sufficiently Biblical.

Considering where the migrants are coming from I'd say "local interpretation" is completely valid. Would you say the countries on Trump's Travel Ban uphold these local intepretrations? If so is that not a valid reason to vet them?

Your liberal definition of these terms is convenient. But it's a position actual Muslims do not hold.

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

If you're going to keep misrepresenting me, I'll stop talking to you. No one mentioned "conspiracy theories". The taqiya is the Islamic doctrine that a Muslim in fear of his life may lie about his faith to save it. It's not the generic licence to lie you think it is.
Nothing in Muslim law says to throw gays off a roof, either. Like I said, that's a local interbretation, Sharia isn't a homogeneous singular thing like you think. As for stoning women for adultery, I'm pretty sure that IS a "Christian law" actually, if your idea of "Christian law" is sufficiently Biblical.

What Christians ever advocated for stoning adulterers?

 

[Armoured]

Tell me about the honor killings going on in the Christian world today. Please.

There are honour killings all the time in the Christian world. They're not a facet of "true Christianity" but they occur all the same. Honour killings are not a facet of "True Islam, either. They are not justified in the Koran

This is what I meant when I said Muslims can do no wrong and Christians no right. Every claim made about Muslims your response is to say that Christians do bad things too.

Because you insist on referring to Muslims as a single homogeneous blob of unity. As though ISIS is a fair representation of the average Muslim. I'm pointing out that Christians do bad things too to demonstrate the flawed logic of blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few

As though the scope and scale is at all comparable.

You're right. Compare the number of Westerners killed by Muslims in the last 20 years to the number of Muslims killed by Weserners in the same period. There's no comparison.

Here's been your position so far:

Fundamental Islamists are not real Muslims.

Never said that

Sharia Law is not real Sharia.

Never said that either.

Taqiyya is not real Taqiyya.

Nor that.

Oh and there's 100 million horrible people who base their world view off this religion but we shouldn't be opposed to those people moving here unvetted.

Nor did I say anything about anyone moving anywhere, nor is immigration the topic of the thread. My entire point s tha villifying an entire population based on the actions of 7% is wrong.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Armoured]

Considering where the migrants are coming from I'd say "local interpretation" is completely valid. Would you say the countries on Trump's Travel Ban uphold these local intepretrations? If so is that not a valid reason to vet them?

This thread isn't about migration or Trumps ravel ban. You can vet immigrants all you like for all I care. That's not what we're talking about

Your liberal definition of these terms is convenient. But it's a position actual Muslims do not hold.

My definitions aren't liberal. My definitions are the definitions Muslims themselves use. I figure they know more about Islam than I do, so they're probably more likely to be accurate than various unsupported claims by bigots and xenophbes.

 

[Armoured]

What Christians ever advocated for stoning adulterers?

Christian Nationalists who want to base state law on their version of Biblical interpretation.

Here's a pastor who wants to stone gays. I'm sure I can find one who wants to stone adulterers if I look for a bit longer
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/pas...for-not-supporting-death-by-stoning-for-gays/

 

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[Kevin Ambrose]

Christian Nationalists who want to base state law on their version of Biblical interpretation

I'm asking for actual instances. Given the New Testament is clear on stoning adulterers I'd like to know who exactly is advocating for it.

 

[Armoured]

Got some reading material for you.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth
List of Islamic Terror Attacks

Great. Now how many Muslims have been blown up by non-Muslims in the same time period?

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

Great. Now how many Muslims have been blown up by on-Muslims in the same time period?

Proving my point again.

It doesn't matter what Muslims do. What matters is what other people do.

 

[Armoured]

I'm asking for actual instances. Given the New Testament is clear on stoning adulterers I'd like to know who exactly is advocating for it.

Here's a pastor who wants to stone gays. I'm sure I can find one who wants to stone adulterers if I look for a bit longer
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/pas...for-not-supporting-death-by-stoning-for-gays/

Either way, that's not the point. Not all Muslims want to stone adulterers, and living under sharia law does not require stoning adulterers. That is, again, a local practice. There are plenty of places that have sharia law where no such punishment is mandated.