Loving the law and unity

[St_Worm2]

If we have apostles today where are they?

We do not have Apostles today, at least not like the 12 who walked with the Lord Jesus in the 1st Century. Why did you ask that question?

 

[soldier of light]

We do not have Apostles today, at least not like the 12 who walked with the Lord Jesus during the 1st Century. Why did you ask that question?

Because you're quoting scripture about apostles being appointed to the church. I dont know how many apostles there were In Paul's day, i only know apostles bear the marks of an apostle and no one today bears those marks. We dont have miracle workers either

 

[St_Worm2]

Those are present tense only when they were written. There are no apostles today. No healers or miracle workers.

What There are no more Apostles in the sense of the 12, but there are certainly preachers and teachers today, as well those who are given gifts of various kinds for the wellbeing of the body. The miraculous gifts still exist in the church today, and are used by God when/as He sees fit. ALL will witness them again however (as I'm sure you know) during the end times (which we are not specifically in yet).

 

[St_Worm2]

I will search for your other thread when I return and see what you have to say there (though I may not post again until tomorrow, just FYI).

--David

 

[soldier of light]

What There are no more Apostles in the sense of the 12, but there are certainly preachers and teachers today, as well those who are given gifts of various kinds for the wellbeing of the body. The miraculous gifts still exist in the church today, and are used by God when/as He sees fit. ALL will witness them again however (as I'm sure you know) during the end times (which we are not specifically in yet).

Do you understand that apostles did miracles and had power? No one has that today. If there is a miracle it's done by prayer not by some miracle worker. We have plenty of teachers. Teachers sadly dont see the state of their flock. They teach what they know personally but they dont see their flock devoured by politics and love for the world.

 

[St_Worm2]

Do you understand that apostles did miracles and had power?

Hello again Soldier of Light, yes, the miracles that they performed in the earliest days of the church were a sign to the people who they were teaching/evangelizing, telling them,

1. that they were who/what they claimed to be (the Lord Jesus' Apostles and messengers, then, from God Himself) and,​

2. that they could believe that what they were being taught was the truth.​

Just to be clear however, they had no inherent power to perform these miracles by themselves, rather, it was received by them from the Holy Spirit (who now indwelt them .. following Pentecost, that is) .. e.g. Acts 1:8, 2:1-4. IOW He, the Holy Spirit, gave the power to them and performed their many miraculous signs through them.

No one has that today.

That's true, as the abundance of miraculous signs (that were the mark of the Lord's Apostles) are no longer needed today but, as I mentioned earlier, they will happen again in a similar way at the end of the age .. e.g. Revelation 11:1-14.

Teachers sadly don't see the state of their flock. They teach what they know personally but they don't see their flock devoured by politics and love for the world.

There are more than a quarter of a million local churches in the United States today, and millions of teaching elders and pastors who lead them. You speak as if you are an authority on this topic, but since you do not attend any of these churches yourself, how can you possibly know what is going on inside even one of them, much less inside of all of them

Have I seen behavior like this in some of our local churches, and/or by some of our pastors? Sadly, yes, but this is ~hardly~ the majority report, at least it has not been in my 39+ years of experience as a Christian anyway. Instead, it has always been FAR better than that, PTL!!

Finally, if this is what you truly believe about the general condition of our churches, the laity, and our pastors, why aren't you attending at least one of them regularly as a Soldier of "Light", to do whatever you can to help them recognize and fix the problems that they're having, and to find their way, then, back to God who is light?

God bless you!!

--David

 

[soldier of light]

Hello again Soldier of Light, yes, the miracles that they performed in the earliest days of the church were a sign to the people who they were teaching/evangelizing, telling them,

1. that they were who/what they claimed to be (the Lord Jesus' Apostles and messengers, then, from God Himself) and,​

2. that they could believe that what they were being taught was the truth.​

Just to be clear however, they had no inherent power to perform these miracles by themselves, rather, it was received by them from the Holy Spirit (who now indwelt them .. following Pentecost, that is) .. e.g. Acts 1:8, 2:1-4. IOW He, the Holy Spirit, gave the power to them and performed their many miraculous signs through them.


That's true, as the abundance of miraculous signs (that were the mark of the Lord's Apostles) are no longer needed today but, as I mentioned earlier, they will happen again in a similar way at the end of the age .. e.g. Revelation 11:1-14.


There are more than a quarter of a million local churches in the United States today, and millions of teaching elders and pastors who lead them. You speak as if you are an authority on this topic, but since you do not attend any of these churches yourself, how can you possibly know what is going on inside even one of them, much less inside of all of them

Have I seen behavior like this in some of our local churches, and/or by some of our pastors? Sadly, yes, but this is ~hardly~ the majority report, at least it has not been in my 39+ years of experience as a Christian anyway. Instead, it has always been FAR better than that, PTL!!

Finally, if this is what you truly believe about the general condition of our churches, the laity, and our pastors, why aren't you attending at least one of them regularly as a Soldier of "Light", to do whatever you can to help them recognize and fix the problems that they're having, and to find their way, then, back to God who is light?

God bless you!!

--David

My friend I dont care what these churches do or don't do. I'm not posting in this forum anymore.