The dichotomy between the teachings of David and Solomon, versus the event recounted at Endor, is certainly interesting. It leads me to Luke 16:22. The one thing which is clear in this, by the teaching of Christ the Lord and not either David or Solomon, is that some people who died, did indeed carry spirit and wisdom down with them, into a place of comfort, a different part of Sheol, separated from the place described in the Psalms and Ecclesiastes. So Samuel was called up, from that comfortable part of Sheol.
22 One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.’
What I, as well as millions of other people, have seen, is that time and time again, billions of people have not grasped the teaching of Jesus.
Sven his disciples, who were still "green" were repeatedly reproved by Jesus, for failing to grasp the reason, and meaning of his parables.
Matthew 15:15, 16
15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding?
Mark 4:10-13; Mark 6:51, 52; Mark 7:14-19; Mark 8:16-21;
If Jesus's disciples made the mistake of focusing on what Jesus said in his parables, rather than what Jesus was getting at... in other words, why Jesus used the parable, and how it applies, how much more so, people that have not been with Jesus.
It's no wonder he explained this:
Matthew 13:10-16
The Purpose of Parables
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
Abraham's bosom is not a place, but a representation, and when the Bible refers to a bosom position, it is a favored position, so when one asks the question, "Whom does Abraham represent, in the parable, it is clear Jesus is referring to his father, and thus, to be in Abraham's bosom, Lazarus - the common people, gained a favored position with God, while the rich man - the Pharisees and Scribes, an unfavorable position.
This is seen in the purpose for the illustration, and whom the illustration targeted.
Jesus said, in the preceding verses
Luke 16:9-15
9 “And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.
10 He who
is faithful in
what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in
what is least is unjust also in much.
11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true
riches? 12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own?
13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
This parable does not relate to the physical dead.
Those with spiritual understanding, and spiritual discernment, would connect what Jesus said after, with what he said before, and seeing that the Pharisee did grasp that he spoke illustrations with them in mind, a disciple of Christ today, that is not "green", would understand whom the rich man and Lazarus represents, and what their conditions - both before, and after - represent.
@CoreyD , probably best to leave this one alone. There is an enormous amount of prejudice against many of the things you have brought forward within Holy Scripture. You are presenting that which is written; your opposers are presenting all manner of reasonings, traditional logic of men, against. It is good to study what Christ the Lord did and said in the face of such.
It's best to finish something that is started, if the scriptures cannot be won against.
After all, I am not arguing without scriptural support, which are clear, and irrefutable.
I'm actually in the process of finalizing it.
