Law of attraction

[de1929]

Law of attraction repackaged by Joel Osteen . I support Joel 100%
Surely Joel will not use word "Law of Attraction" for many reasons.
The bible verses are cherry picked to fit the agenda. The agenda is what i called: Good News

 

[ViaCrucis]

so how do you define miracle and how do you define magic ? what's the difference between miracle and magic ?

Magick is the belief that one can bend the universe to one's own will. Magick doesn't exist.

A miracle is a divine work of God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[de1929]

Magick is the belief that one can bend the universe to one's own will. Magick doesn't exist.

A miracle is a divine work of God.

-CryptoLutheran

what do you think about this thread below, magic or miracles ?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3811462&st=0&p=77973387&#entry77973387

 

[ViaCrucis]

what do you think about this thread below, magic or miracles ?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3811462&st=0&p=77973387&#entry77973387

Neither. It looks like you were violating the rules of that forum and they put a stop to it.

That's neither a miracle nor magick.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[de1929]

Neither. It looks like you were violating the rules of that forum and they put a stop to it.

That's neither a miracle nor magick.

-CryptoLutheran

fair enough.

let the reader now beware, some christian are simply open minded, and some are narrow minded.

Follow the one that can help you grow.

 

[aiki]

that is cessasionist mindset. if you follow John Mc Arthur teachings, definitely you are cessasionist. Baptist mostly cessasionist. Word-of-faith is continualist. Link below has details

"Word-of-Faith" is more than continuationist, it is flat-out unbiblical. I don't have any problem with Christians who believe certain more overtly-supernatural gifts are still possible today. "Word-of-Faith," though, goes well beyond continuationism into false teaching. Myself, I am what you would call a "soft cessationist" as opposed to MacArthur who is a hard cessationist.

In any case, these labels don't change the fact that the "Law of Attraction" is derived from occult/hindu mystical thought, not Scripture.

Selah.

 

[de1929]

"Word-of-Faith" is more than continuationist, it is flat-out unbiblical. I don't have any problem with Christians who believe certain more overtly-supernatural gifts are still possible today. "Word-of-Faith," though, goes well beyond continuationism into false teaching. Myself, I am what you would call a "soft cessationist" as opposed to MacArthur who is a hard cessationist.

In any case, these labels don't change the fact that the "Law of Attraction" is derived from occult/hindu mystical thought, not Scripture.

Selah.

baptist always hate word-of-faith movements. from that hatred, it comes various label such as unbiblical, heretics, mormon, etc.

Law of attraction is derived from bible verses. one of my favorite is on page 1.
http://www.applythelawofattraction.com/law-attraction-bible-quotes-1/

 

[ViaCrucis]

Law of attraction is derived from bible verses. one of my favorite is on page 1.
http://www.applythelawofattraction.com/law-attraction-bible-quotes-1/

It's very easy to spin Bible passages together to create any idea one wants. It doesn't make the idea biblical. What is and isn't biblical isn't about stringing together proof texts, but about thoroughly exegeting the text and understanding what the authors themselves were saying.

So no, the "law of attraction" isn't biblical. It's based off of 19th century spiritualist and occult ideas; calling them Hindu I think is insulting to Hinduism, at best it is the result of Western corruptions through 19th century "orientalism". But it is entirely not Christian, it is entirely outside of what is acceptable within mainstream, orthodox Christianity. It's not Christian religion, it's magick.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[de1929]

It's very easy to spin Bible passages together to create any idea one wants. It doesn't make the idea biblical. What is and isn't biblical isn't about stringing together proof texts, but about thoroughly exegeting the text and understanding what the authors themselves were saying.

that's sola scripture, wof is prima scriptura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_scriptura

luthean always find wof wrong, but wof is not defined by luthrean opinion.

 

[ViaCrucis]

that's sola scripture, wof is prima scriptura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_scriptura

luthean always find wof wrong, but wof is not defined by luthrean opinion.

It's the common opinion of Christians across traditional and denominational boundaries. Not just Lutheran or Baptist opinion.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[de1929]

It's the common opinion of Christians across traditional and denominational boundaries. Not just Lutheran or Baptist opinion.

-CryptoLutheran

why common opinion matters ? what matters is people receiving CHRIST, and enjoy law-of-attraction at the same time for GOD's kingdom benefits. these new converts can join wof movements if lutheran rejects them.

 

[aiki]

Law of attraction is derived from bible verses. one of my favorite is on page 1.
http://www.applythelawofattraction.com/law-attraction-bible-quotes-1/

Okay. Let's just see how biblical your Law of Attraction really is:

Philippians 4:8 - No mention of the Law of Attraction whatever in this verse.
1John 4:18 - No mention of the Law of Attraction in this verse, either.
Hebrews 11:1 - Again, no mention of the Law of Attraction.
Proverbs 23:7 - Now, this one you could probably twist into a sort of Law of Attraction verse, but it is misquoted and removed from its context on the website you linked to. It actually should read:

Proverbs 23:6-7
6 Do not eat the bread of a miser, Nor desire his delicacies;
7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. "Eat and drink!" he says to you, But his heart is not with you.

Verse 7, then, is not saying that what you think shapes who you are (although this is true). Instead, it is saying that what is already in the heart of a miser is concealed when he urges you to "eat and drink." The verse is saying that the truth of a miser's heart is not revealed in his words. A very different idea than the Law of Attraction. The verse is actually talking about deception.

Psalms 77:11 - No mention whatever of the Law of Attraction. It doesn't even imply that such a thing exists.

And so on.

I don't see that you have established a scriptural ground for the Law of Attraction at all. Do you have anything else to add?

Selah.

 

[ViaCrucis]

why common opinion matters ? what matters is people receiving CHRIST, and enjoy law-of-attraction at the same time for GOD's kingdom benefits. these new converts can join wof movements if lutheran rejects them.

The common opinion of the entire Christian Church matters because if someone introduces new doctrine it can be measured against the historic consensus of faith and shown to be heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[de1929]

Law of attraction is derived from bible verses. one of my favorite is on page 1.
http://www.applythelawofattraction.com/law-attraction-bible-quotes-1/

Okay. Let's just see how biblical your Law of Attraction really is:

Philippians 4:8 - No mention of the Law of Attraction whatever in this verse.
1John 4:18 - No mention of the Law of Attraction in this verse, either.
Hebrews 11:1 - Again, no mention of the Law of Attraction.
Proverbs 23:7 - Now, this one you could probably twist into a sort of Law of Attraction verse, but it is misquoted and removed from its context on the website you linked to. It actually should read:

Proverbs 23:6-7
6 Do not eat the bread of a miser, Nor desire his delicacies;
7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. "Eat and drink!" he says to you, But his heart is not with you.

Verse 7, then, is not saying that what you think shapes who you are (although this is true). Instead, it is saying that what is already in the heart of a miser is concealed when he urges you to "eat and drink." The verse is saying that the truth of miser's heart is not revealed in his words. A very different idea than the Law of Attraction. The verse is actually talking about deception.

Psalms 77:11 - No mention whatever of the Law of Attraction. It doesn't even imply that such a thing exists.

And so on.

I don't see that you have established a scriptural ground for the Law of Attraction at all. Do you have anything else to add?

Selah.

you miss my first page Mark 11:24

 

[de1929]

The common opinion of the entire Christian Church matters because if someone introduces new doctrine it can be measured against the historic consensus of faith and shown to be heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

common opinion 2016 is worse than 2015. I will not choose common opinion. i cherry picked bible verse do some magic at expense of lutheran teachings.

historic consensus of faith even worse... remind us what martin luther did ? consensus of faith ? or sacrifice to obey GOD's will ?

 

[aiki]

Mark 11:22-24
22 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith in God.
23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.
24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

Who is the "them" to whom Jesus is speaking? The twelve disciples. Not you or me, or anyone else.

Does this verse stand alone in Scripture? Or are there other verses that qualify and clarify it? Well, yes there are other verses that do put limits and qualifications on this verse:

John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

James 4:3
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

1 John 5:14-15
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.
15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

You see, I hope, that Mark 11:24 does not stand alone as a verse on prayer. There are others also which we must take into consideration when we pray. It is not enough to believe and ask. One must ask according to God's will, and apart from selfish pleasures, and be abiding in Christ. I don't, then, see how Mark 11:24 is grounds for the Law of Attraction.

Selah.

 

[de1929]

Mark 11:22-24
22 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith in God.
23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.
24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

Who is the "them" to whom Jesus is speaking? The twelve disciples. Not you or me, or anyone else.

Does this verse stand alone in Scripture? Or are there other verses that qualify and clarify it? Well, yes there are other verses that do put limits and qualifications on this verse:

John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

James 4:3
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

1 John 5:14-15
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.
15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

You see, I hope, that Mark 11:24 does not stand alone as a verse on prayer. There are others also which we must take into consideration when we pray. It is not enough to believe and ask. One must ask according to God's will, and apart from selfish pleasures, and be abiding in Christ. I don't, then, see how Mark 11:24 is grounds for the Law of Attraction.

Selah.

that's exegesis mate ... where is my eisegesis ?

 

[de1929]

Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV)
8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

 

[Hieronymus]

CHRIST walking on water ?

That's not magick.

 

[Hieronymus]

so how do you define miracle and how do you define magic ? what's the difference between miracle and magic ?

How come you don't know?