Kenosis, the pleroma, and perichoresis

[Ripheus27]

So if God emptied Himself to be a man, how could He be fully God and fully man? Don't emptiness and fullness contradict each other? Yet the Father is the Father because in order for the Second Person of the Trinity to be a Son, He has to have a Father; and the Spirit speaks not of Himself but of the Son. In other words, each Person of the Trinity exists as God by sacrificing His essence into the other Persons, so that They perichoretically share the light of the divine nature.

Maybe, then, God the Son is fully human and fully divine precisely because He became Incarnate in the first place: the act of kenosis on His part is equivalent, paradoxically, to His self-enactment as the Lord. But then the Incarnation would be a necessary feature of God's existence, and God's human form would just be His divine form as the Son. Heresy much (am I deifying a certain parcel of matter, here)?

 

[single eye]

Rip, The straight gate and narrow way do not go through theology and philosophy or any other "ology" for that matter. It goes through scripture which was produced by the saints. Some of that scripture is found in the n.t. and some is found in the nag hammadi library. This is where it was revealed to us what the relationship is between GOD, The Spirit of Truth, Jesus, the saints, the devil, and us. The truth that sets us free is the understanding of our purpose. Without our purpose we only have a form of godliness without the power.

 

[1213]

So if God emptied Himself to be a man, how could He be fully God and fully man? ...

Who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider it robbery to be equal with God, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
Phil 2:6-7

That does not say that Jesus was God. It tells Jesus was in same form (I believe spirit is the form of God), but Jesus didn’t claim to be God, just because he had same form. I think there were person who in same situation wanted to declare himself God, even when he is not.

I think it is good to notice also that according to Jesus, God dwelled in him and Jesus himself was not God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10-14

On basis of those I think the whole idea that Jesus is or was God is wrong, because there is only one true God, who according to Jesus is not him. I recommend people to believe what Jesus said.

And it is also said that Jesus was filled with Holy Spirit.

” Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan…”
Luke 4:1

 

[Ripheus27]

Look, guys, if you're not going to pay attention to the purpose of this thread, don't waste your time replying. I'm not here to have someone complain that I'm doing something that the words "philosophy" or "theology" describes--forget those words, I'd just as well say that I'm thinking--nor am I here to deny Christ's divinity. For someone to have the Name above all other names be His is proof enough for me that such a person is fit for worship, and God is just whatever is fit for worship. But that is neither here nor there; this is not a post having to do with pro- or anti-Trinitarianism.

 

[AlephBet]

So if God emptied Himself to be a man, how could He be fully God and fully man? Don't emptiness and fullness contradict each other? Yet the Father is the Father because in order for the Second Person of the Trinity to be a Son, He has to have a Father; and the Spirit speaks not of Himself but of the Son. In other words, each Person of the Trinity exists as God by sacrificing His essence into the other Persons, so that They perichoretically share the light of the divine nature.

Maybe, then, God the Son is fully human and fully divine precisely because He became Incarnate in the first place: the act of kenosis on His part is equivalent, paradoxically, to His self-enactment as the Lord. But then the Incarnation would be a necessary feature of God's existence, and God's human form would just be His divine form as the Son. Heresy much (am I deifying a certain parcel of matter, here)?

Very interesting thought. An easier answer will open your eyes.

Adam to Abraham - 2 Days (2000 years). Age of the Father.

Issac to Jesus - 2 Days (2000 years). Age of the Son.

Mary to ??? - 2 Days (2000 years). Age of the Spirit / Mother.

When is the new child born (Adam Created)? Day 6. When does the Son rise again? Third day. This does not imply the end of the third day. I believe it is today. At the end of each age, we receive a patriarch. Who will the female be in our own day and age? Neither. It will be both male and female. Why?

The image of Adam was divided. Adam is really, as far as I can tell, Yahweh (Ego of Adam). Satan is the accuser (conscience). When Yahweh formed Eve, he took his feminine nature (Ruach) and put it into the beast (mankind). He formed Eve. She is all of us below, or the bride. When we next meet the refined bride, she is Mary. The other half of Adam was then put into the refined nature, giving us Jesus. He had to then overcome and silence Satan (Conscience), which he did in the desert (no water or bread). From this, the seed was planted so to speak. 2000 years seems to be the symbolic gestation period. I believe the next Adam to come (Almighty) will be BOTH male and female, being a composite of all three.

Adam is restored. He then rules as he would have before had he not fallen. By the fall, I see this as the blood shed from the foundation. The rib was the blood shed and Adam was the Lamb. His own Ego used the fruit of knowledge to divide Eve. From this, humanity (image of God) was divided with bloodshed.

Did he hang on the cross for this reason?

“Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

Did Yahweh silence Satan?

Zachariah 3 - Read the Verses. He clothes Joshua / Yeshua for the baptism of Jesus. The temple was both Mary and Yahweh. Together, the Son of God was born, paying the blood he had shed. His own blood as it turns out. We are all from the Son of God.

Ego does this. It demands to be a ruler, then sheds blood to get its way. He selected ONE nation rather than all. Elohim (Father), in Genesis 9 again, made the promise to ALL nations. By this, we see the mind of Yahweh (SON) in rebellion.

It took me a long time to get this, but I finally realized it when reading the Upanishads. The Lord is defined as the mind of the ONE soul making all of us. Go back to the NOG Bible and read Genesis 1. Elohim is Father and Ruach is mother, or the image of God. "Let US make Adam in OUR image." This is obvious if you disregard your taught theology, which is incorrect.

 

[AlephBet]

Yes. Jesus as God ends with 1 Corinthians 15:

24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

AtONEment is At One Ment. We are all on soul (Son of God).

1 Corinthians 10


14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

The letters of DNA is the Aleph Bet (Father in Hebrew). They enter the Aleph Mem (Mother / Cup). She is the Strong Water (mem). The Son is the Bread of life, or what you get when you put seed (Letters) into a cup (Mother's womb) and add yeast (sin). Bread rises because of the thing to overcome (Yahweh / Satan). The adversary of the mind is Yahweh (EGO of Adam). Satan is the accuser (Conscience of Adam). Sin sits on the Thistle.

Now, don't read the next part without first considering why I am telling you this secret to a Christmas song. It is hidden, but reveals what the Hebrews know of Adam (humanity). They rule us by the words and letters.

In the song, "Two Front Teeth," he just wants his SHIN (two front teeth). Shin is the letter representing the coal with the flame that does not consume the carbon (mark of man - 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons). In the song, Sister Susie (NUN) sits on a Thistle (Sin). Nun is seed. The Son is all of us as bread.

Check to see if I am correct from the Song. Merry Christmas. Read the Upanishads to define the Lord properly and see the keys of the Rainbow (promise to all nations). The keys they hide are their woe. Jesus was telling us this. He simply wants to reveal the Father to us. It's the gift of eternal life if we overcome the Ego of judgment against the nations. Thank the Rainbow and love the Hindus as much as you love Israel and all of humanity. We are ALL one with God. That has never not been the truth. God is One. So are we when we overcome Yahweh / Satan. Love dismisses the law of Yahweh. As a matter of fact, it is nailed to the cross. Love needs no restriction.

 

[single eye]

Look Rip, before you start accusing us of not paying attention to the purpose of your thread, consider the possibility that you did not make your purpose clear.

 

[Ripheus27]

The purpose of my thread was to ask how God the Son's self-emptying relates to the unity of the Trinity, which is clearly what I was talking about in the OP. The problem I ended up with is that if kenosis and perichoresis are genuine divine functions, it seems as if the Incarnation was not only motivated apart from the Fall (i.e. it seems as if God the Son was going to become Incarnate even if there had been no Fall, a contention debated much throughout history) but also intrinsic to what God is--yet this would imply that God is partially material somehow.