Jer 31:31-34

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Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandments. His reply directly quotes from the Torah but outside of the 10. All the law and the prophets hang upon these commandments, so it is not just the privilege of the 10 that use these as constructs but the entire canon of Jewish scripture. You seem only use to use Paul's words in Rom 13:9 that says "sum" but refuse to reconcile it with Christ's words. What is it I see constantly in these threads? That Paul's words are hard to understand so we shouldn't rely on them. Well I'm not saying that, but since Paul agrees with Christ it is Christ that defines Paul's words, not Paul that defined Christ's words.

We shouldn't be using this to separate the 10 either. James 2:8 doesn't single out the 10, nor does it say the 10 are the base. You have got things backwards, the construct is not the 10, the construct is the royal law. If it were a pyramid the royal law is at the top, the 10 are below, along with other laws. James 2:9 tells us "if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers". Do you not see that by elevating the 10 in the way you are showing favoritism to a group of laws and as a consequence are guilty of the ones you reject thus are guilty of the whole thing?

James point blank says to keep the royal law by loving each other and you've edited it and say what he actually meant to say was keep the 10. He would have said that if that's what he wanted. Value the words on the page not the reading you wish it would say.

If you please don’t micro quote me you will see what James 2:8 means from scripture and which law James is quoting from in James 2:10-12. People try to make it more complicated than what it is by not allowing the scripture to interpret itself. It doesn’t need our help. Let’s use the law James is quoting from in its proper context. You seem to take much issue that God only wrote and spoke Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and only placed the Ten Commandments inside the ark Exo 40:20 and after God was finished He added no more Deut 5:22, they are a standalone unit, so your argument on why only the Ten Commandments was separated from all the other laws written by Moses placed besides the ark as a witness against is not with me. Deut 31:24-26. I do find it odd that man wants to exalt man over God. God doing is always a much better promise than man doing.

Which law is quoted to love our neighbor as ourselves, one of the greatest commandments. We don’t need to guess, scripture tells us verbatim Rom 13:9 which defines what James 2:8 means and is essentially what the whole bible hangs on- love to God, love to our neighbor summarized from the Ten Commandments the principles of the entire bible, God’s perfect law converting the soul. Psa 19:7 your grievances with God’s perfect law will need to be taken up with a much Higher Authority than I. We are just commissioned to teach them Mat 5:19 but there is a time where you need to move on, plant the seeds and pray one will hear the voice of the Holy Spirit Heb 3:7-8 His Spirit of Truth which helps us keep His commandments John 14:15-18 the same Spirit who wrote them. God’s Truth never changes Psa 89:34 Mat 5:19 Psa 119:151 and either does His righteousness Psa 119:172 Psa 119:142 We should be loyal to God and if so should be willing to submit our will over to His. Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 this is the faith that reconciles Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[DamianWarS]

summarized from the Ten Commandments

this is backwards

Christ tells us "all the law and the prophets hang upon these two commandments". positionally it is Christ's law that defines the 10, not the 10 that define Christ's law. If all the the law hangs upon Christ's law it means Christ's law predates the law (which include the 10) and should be regarded like a universal construct that all law is based off of, as well as Christian living is based off of under the new covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

this is backwards

Christ tells us "all the law and the prophets hang upon these two commandments". positionally it is Christ's law that defines the 10, not the 10 that define Christ's law. If all the the law hangs upon Christ's law it means Christ's law predates the law (which include the 10) and should be regarded like a universal construct that all law is based off of, as well as Christian living is based off of under the new covenant.

God is Christ, Christ is God, to claim the Ten Commandments are not God’s commandments is not an argument with me Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 God and Christ are not separate entities. Christ said the whole word (law and prophets) hangs on the greatest commandments. The greatest commandments did not go undefined, no other law was quoted except from the Ten to define love thy neighbor, one of the greatest commandments Rom 13:9 obviously if one loves God with all their heart, soul and might would not break the other 4 of these commandments and would not worship other gods, would not vain His holy name, or bow to false images or break the holy Sabbath day of the Lord thy God.

We can’t reason our own ideas against God’s Word, so I’m going to leave it as agree to disagree. I do wish you well.

 

[DamianWarS]

The greatest commandments did not go undefined, no other law was quoted except from the Ten to define love thy neighbor, one of the greatest commandments

this is still backwards.

no commandment defines Christ's law, they hang upon it, yes a summary of the law is Christ's law but Christ's law is set above Torah (which includes the 10 commandments), Christ makes this clear in Mat 5 as the letter of the law does not address the heart and is lacking so it cannot define the totality of Christ's law which is driven by the heart then goes outwards. Christ sufficiently defines his own law and to say the 10 defines it is circular. 10 commandments hang upon Christ's law which is the 10 commandments? this would be the 10 commandments hang upon the 10 commandments and is circular logic. Christ's law is on top, 10 commandments is under it along with the rest of the law.

 

[daq]

James 2:9 tells us "if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers". Do you not see that by elevating the 10 in the way you are showing favoritism to a group of laws and as a consequence are guilty of the ones you reject thus are guilty of the whole thing?

Good points, and by the way, the portion of your post I have quoted is actually speaking of yet another commandment in the Torah, (which you probably know but I just wanted to highlight it), and which is why he says "convicted by the Torah as transgressors". The first mention is to the judges but the second is for all.

Deuteronomy 1:16-17 KJV
16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

Deuteronomy 16:19 KJV
19 Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.

This subject comes up again in a beautiful passage extolling the righteousness of the Most High and admonishing the people to love Him and His ways, and be circumcised in heart, and to strive to be like Him, (not for our own righteousness but out of love and a desire to be pleasing unto Him).

Deuteronomy 10:12-19 KJV
12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

We can easily see that this subject matter is both about loving the Father and loving our neighbor as ourselves, (even the stranger, Dt 10:19 quoted above), which is surely the reason Yakob a.k.a. James mentions this in the same context with the royal law.

James 2:8-9 KJV
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

It is one Torah and is all interconnected, (simply agreeing with you).

 

[daq]

If you please don’t micro quote me you will see what James 2:8 means from scripture and which law James is quoting from in James 2:10-12. People try to make it more complicated than what it is by not allowing the scripture to interpret itself. It doesn’t need our help. Let’s use the law James is quoting from in its proper context. You seem to take much issue that God only wrote and spoke Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and only placed the Ten Commandments inside the ark Exo 40:20 and after God was finished He added no more Deut 5:22, they are a standalone unit, so your argument on why only the Ten Commandments was separated from all the other laws written by Moses placed besides the ark as a witness against is not with me. Deut 31:24-26. I do find it odd that man wants to exalt man over God. God doing is always a much better promise than man doing.

Which law is quoted to love our neighbor as ourselves, one of the greatest commandments. We don’t need to guess, scripture tells us verbatim Rom 13:9 which defines what James 2:8 means and is essentially what the whole bible hangs on- love to God, love to our neighbor summarized from the Ten Commandments the principles of the entire bible, God’s perfect law converting the soul. Psa 19:7 your grievances with God’s perfect law will need to be taken up with a much Higher Authority than I. We are just commissioned to teach them Mat 5:19 but there is a time where you need to move on, plant the seeds and pray one will hear the voice of the Holy Spirit Heb 3:7-8 His Spirit of Truth which helps us keep His commandments John 14:15-18 the same Spirit who wrote them. God’s Truth never changes Psa 89:34 Mat 5:19 Psa 119:151 and either does His righteousness Psa 119:172 Psa 119:142 We should be loyal to God and if so should be willing to submit our will over to His. Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 this is the faith that reconciles Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

God is Christ, Christ is God, to claim the Ten Commandments are not God’s commandments is not an argument with me Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 God and Christ are not separate entities. Christ said the whole word (law and prophets) hangs on the greatest commandments. The greatest commandments did not go undefined, no other law was quoted except from the Ten to define love thy neighbor, one of the greatest commandments Rom 13:9 obviously if one loves God with all their heart, soul and might would not break the other 4 of these commandments and would not worship other gods, would not vain His holy name, or bow to false images or break the holy Sabbath day of the Lord thy God.

We can’t reason our own ideas against God’s Word, so I’m going to leave it as agree to disagree. I do wish you well.

The two greatest commandments are neither spoken outright nor written in the Ten: they actually have their own places in the Torah and are actual quotes whenever they are written in the Apostolic writings. It almost seems as if you are either unaware of this fact or avoiding it for some reason?

Mark 12:29-30 KJV
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 KJV
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Mark 12:31 KJV
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Leviticus 19:18 KJV
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

These are not just summaries of the Ten: they span the whole Torah, and the Prophets expound from the Torah, which is why the Master says, "On these two commandments hang all the Torah and the Prophets.

All the Torah does not mean just the Ten, it means all the Torah, and in addition he also includes the Prophets.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The two greatest commandments are neither spoken outright nor written in the Ten: they actually have their own places in the Torah and are actual quotes whenever they are written in the Apostolic writings. It almost seems as if you are either unaware of this fact or avoiding it for some reason?

Mark 12:29-30 KJV
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Deuteronomy 6:4-6 KJV
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Mark 12:31 KJV
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Leviticus 19:18 KJV
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

These are not just summaries of the Ten: they span the whole Torah, and the Prophets expound from the Torah, which is why the Master says, "On these two commandments hang all the Torah and the Prophets.

All the Torah does not mean just the Ten, it means all the Torah, and in addition he also includes the Prophets.

That’s right those are the summaries Rom 13:9 outright gives the detail which is a direct quote from Exodus 20

 

[daq]

That’s right those are the summaries Rom 13:9 outright gives the detail which is a direct quote from Exodus 20

Which means that the commandment in Leviticus 19:18 is of greater importance than the Ten, just as the Master says when he calls it the second greatest commandment, and the same goes for Dt 6:4-5 because it is even greater, being the first great commandment. Paul is actually proving that the Ten are not enough.

 

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Which means that the commandment in Leviticus 19:18 is of greater importance than the Ten, just as the Master says when he calls it the second greatest commandment, and the same goes for Dt 6:4-5 because it is even greater, being the first great commandment. Paul is actually proving that the Ten are not enough.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Paul literally spells it out which does not support your assertion or that Gods Ten Commandments are “not enough” those appear to be your words. Noted your opinion.

 

[daq]

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Paul literally spells it out which does not support your assertion or that Gods Ten Commandments are “not enough” those appear to be your words. Noted your opinion.

My opinion? And what if you are wrong and it is not my Logos? Can you show me which of the Ten summarizes "All the Torah and the Prophets"? Upon which of the Ten hang all the Torah and the Prophets?

The fact that Paul mentions multiple commandments from the Ten and uses one commandment not found in the Ten to summarize those he mentioned from the Ten tells us that the one which summarizes what he mentioned from the Ten is greater than the Ten, (just as the Master says). Therefore it is either your own opinion or an SDA opinion that you are preaching and it is not taught in, or supported by, the scripture. It appears to be just a construct designed to divide and set aside what some choose not to consume from the Word.

The feasts are a perfect example: to set them aside is to dishonor both our heavenly Father and heavenly Mother, (and our heavenly mother is of course Yerushalem above according to Paul, our mother-covenant, Gal 4:22-31), and Yerushalem of above also symbolizes the Tabernacle of the Torah according to the passage which Paul references in that discourse, (Isa 54:1-3, where Yerushalem of above has a tent, curtains, cords, and stakes, and her seed inherits the Nations/Gentiles).

What did Mosheh write in Exodus 34 concerning honoring our heavenly Father and Mother?

Exodus 34:27 KJV
27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Exodus 34:18 KJV
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

Exodus34:22-23 KJV
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

Does Paul say these things are now set aside or done away with or fulfilled and now obsolete?

1 Corinthians 5:6-8 KJV
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Is this about slaughtering lambs, rams, bullocks, and goats? Of course not, and yet he says to keep the Passover, but look how he treats leaven: old leaven, leaven of malice and wickedness? This isn't even talking about literal-physical bread. And according to the Master leaven concerns erroneous doctrine, (Mat 16:12). And what does Paul say about unleavened bread? "the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth"? That is spiritual bread, (spiritual food), not literal-physical bread for the belly.

The way of understanding all such things has been taught and proclaimed by our Meshiah and Savior in the Gospel accounts and Paul is faithful to those teachings and commandments. There is no excuse for sidelining the feasts listed above from Exodus 34 now that they have been correctly expounded by the Master in his Testimony in the Gospel accounts, and those feasts do honor both our heavenly Father and also Yerushalem of above our heavenly Mother(Covenant, Gal 4:24), and Yerushalem of above symbolizes the Tabernacle of the Torah, Gal 4:27, Isa 54:1-3).

 

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My opinion?

Paul is actually proving that the Ten are not enough.

Where does Paul say this? If its not there, than its an opinion. Just like there is no ”Heavenly Mother”and Gal 4:24 teaches no such thing.

And what if you are wrong and it is not my Logos? Can you show me which of the Ten summarizes "All the Torah and the Prophets"? Upon which of the Ten hang all the Torah and the Prophets?

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Jesus said all the law and prophets (His Word) hangs on these two commandments.

Paul defined what one of the greatest commandments are: to love your neighbor as yourself. He couldn't be more clear if he spelled it out....wait he did that.

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

He did not quote from any other law to define the second greatest commandment except from the Ten Commandments. I'll even quote them so you can see for yourself, that its not being made up but its scripture.


Exodus 20:2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

If the second greatest commandment are the commandments how to love thy neighbor directly from the Ten Commandments its only logical that the great commandment to love God with all our heart and soul came from this same unit of Ten, the first 4 on how to love God, written personally by God Exo 31:18 God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

The whole law and prophets hangs on these two commandments which are principles directly from the Ten Commandments on how to love God and how to love our neighbor. Love to God and neighbor never went undefined in the scriptures 1 John 5:2-3

I'm not responding to the rest of your post because it’s way off topic there are no feast days in the Ten Commandments or greatest commandments. As much as people don't like the fact that God's Ten Commandments are a standalone unit, yet after God wrote and He spoke them and placed them inside the ark of the covenant, He added no more Deut 5:22 God thought His work Exo 32:16 the Ten were enough, all the other laws were handwritten by man (Moses) placed beside the ark as a witness against from breaking what was inside the ark, God's Ten Commandments. What all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 You can call me and my denomination all kinds of names, that's fine, but it changes not His Word.

Take care.

 

[daq]

Where does Paul say this? If its not there, than its an opinion. Just like there is no ”Heavenly Mother”and Gal 4:24 teaches no such thing.

The whole passage I spoke of in Gal 4 was referenced. I didn't cherry pick.

Galatians 4:22-27 KJV
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband [Isa 54:1].

Isaiah 54:1-3 KJV
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD [Gal 4:27].
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

That isn't my logos or opinion: your argument is with Paul and the Word of Elohim.

He did not quote from any other law to define the second greatest commandment except from the Ten Commandments. I'll even quote them so you can see for yourself, that its not being made up but its scripture.

Exodus 20:2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Why are you ignoring the Ten which are written in Exodus 34?

I'm not responding to the rest of your post because it’s way off topic there are no feast days in the Ten Commandments.

Yes, there are feasts in the Ten, I just quoted them out of the Ten which are written in Exodus 34, and to cancel them is to dishonor our heavenly Father and Mother: for the Father chose to place His Name at/upon Yerushalem, and every feast of the Torah and Torah Tabernacle came to be held at Yerushalem when the first Temple was built, and Yerushalem of above is our mother(covenant) according the scripture, Paul, and Yeshayah the Prophet. Everything in this post and in my previous post is indeed relevant.

 

[DamianWarS]

That’s right those are the summaries Rom 13:9 outright gives the detail which is a direct quote from Exodus 20

not just the 10, but "whatever other command there may be" or as Jesus puts it, "in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Mat 7:12) stopping at a the 10 only is not something scripture supports.

 

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The whole passage I spoke of in Gal 4 was referenced. I didn't cherry pick.

Galatians 4:22-27 KJV
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband [Isa 54:1].

Isaiah 54:1-3 KJV
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD [Gal 4:27].
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

That isn't my logos or opinion: your argument is with Paul and the Word of Elohim.



Why are you ignoring the Ten which are written in Exodus 34?



Yes, there are feasts in the Ten, I just quoted them out of the Ten which are written in Exodus 34, and to cancel them is to dishonor our heavenly Father and Mother: for the Father chose to place His Name at/upon Yerushalem, and every feast of the Torah and Torah Tabernacle came to be held at Yerushalem when the first Temple was built, and Yerushalem of above is our mother(covenant) according the scripture, Paul, and Yeshayah the Prophet. Everything in this post and in my previous post is indeed relevant.

Says nothing of a "heavenly Mother" Paul contrasting the covenants using Sarah and Hagar as an allegory does not make them a Heavenly Mother, that's a lot of reading into the Text. One would have to understand the story of Sarah and Hagar to understand the contrast Paul is making with the Old and New Covenants. One depended on their own strength and will, the other depended on God's, the better promise in the New Covenant.

We are too far apart in our understanding of God's Word, and that's ok, all will get sorted out soon enough.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

not just the 10, but "whatever other command there may be" or as Jesus puts it, "in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Mat 7:12) stopping at a the 10 only is not something scripture supports.

Paul was only quoting from the Ten Commandments, so any other commandments would also be in the same context, so he didn't have to name them all but named enough to know exactly the law he was referring to. And even if it included some of the law of Moses, although Paul made no indication it did, he is definitely not supporting what many people teach that the Ten Commandments are "Old Covenant" if they sum up how to love our neighbor and how to love God and what the entire bible hangs on. The summary does not delete the details and if it did, it would no longer be love to our neighbor or love to God 1 John 5:2-3

 

[DamianWarS]

Paul was only quoting from the Ten Commandments, so any other commandments would also be in the same context, so he didn't have to name them all but named enough to know exactly the law he was referring to. And even if it included some of the law of Moses, although Paul made no indication it did, he is definitely not supporting what many people teach that the Ten Commandments are "Old Covenant" if they sum up how to love our neighbor and how to love God and what the entire bible hangs on. The summary does not delete the details and if it did, it would no longer be love to our neighbor or love to God 1 John 5:2-3

Paul identified the same thing Christ did, to say he wasn't would mean Paul taught something in conflict with Christ's teaching, Christ says "for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (in Mat 7:12) he does not say "for this sums up the 10" nor does he limit it to just law which may be tempting to some to conflate with the 10, instead, he says the "law and the prophets", which is the entire Jewish canon and no way it is limited to just the 10. This isn't the first time Christ does this, in Mat 5:17 Christ says "I did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" Christ is again referencing the entirety of Jewish scripture, not just the 10. Paul uses examples out of convenience but not to isolate the 10, if he does isolate the 10, he is in competition with Christ.

You refuse to address these inconsistencies and only use Paul's words in a vacuum. This is highly irresponsible and I can't condone such methods as they seem bent at only seeing one thing. Mat 7:12 must be compared with Rom 13:9, as well as the source of Christ's law and if you refuse to then I cannot respect your position.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Paul identified the same thing Christ did, to say he wasn't would mean Paul taught something in conflict with Christ's teaching, Christ says "for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (in Mat 7:12) he does not say "for this sums up the 10" nor does he limit it to just law which may be tempting to some to conflate with the 10, instead, he says the "law and the prophets", which is the entire Jewish canon and no way it is limited to just the 10. This isn't the first time Christ does this, in Mat 5:17 Christ says "I did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" Christ is again referencing the entirety of Jewish scripture, not just the 10. Paul uses examples out of convenience but not to isolate the 10, if he does isolate the 10, he is in competition with Christ.

You refuse to address these inconsistencies and only use Paul's words in a vacuum. This is highly irresponsible and I can't condone such methods as they seem bent at only seeing one thing. Mat 7:12 must be compared with Rom 13:9, as well as the source of Christ's law and if you refuse to then I cannot respect your position.

Do unto others as you would do unto yourself is the principle of how to love thy neighbor which is demonstrated from the Ten Commandment. Rom 13:9

I did not come to destroy the law or prophets but to fulfill and the word here means to fill full and does not translate into breaking the least of these commandments as Jesus taught Mat 5:19 or editing any of the commandments Mat 5:18. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments to define the least of these commandments so we don't need to guess which commandments, but if you want to think and teach others the Ten Commandments are not in the New Covenant despite Jesus saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these as one would be least in heaven and by the next verse Mat5:20 least in heaven means one won't be there and you think that is being responsible and loving to our neighbor to teach people how to end up off the narrow path. We don't need to keep the Ten Commandments, its "Old Covenant" so we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day or break the least of these commandments the opposite of what Jesus taught and lived, well, that is something we will all have to stand before Jesus one day soon to answer to. Jesus said when we keep our own rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments one's heart is far from Him, which is not what the New Covenant is about- God's law written in our hearts kept by His faithful through loyalty, faith and love which reconciles Rev 22:14 Disobedience without repenting and forsaking Pro 28:13 through Christ John 14:15-18 separates Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15

I am going to take the advice Jesus gave to His disciples- Mat 15:14, there is only so much one can do. You will never convince me that God didn't separate the Ten Commandments from all other laws when He clearly said He did Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 Deut 31:24-26 and misunderstand their reach as Jesus explains Mat 5:19-30 or that the Ten Commandments is "old covenant" and we no longer need to keep them, not a teaching from Jesus or the apostles, but a teaching of man sadly leading people to sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 and Judgement James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 so we need to be very careful as Jesus stated what we teach and what we follow. Obeying God the way He said will never lead one off the narrow path but only back to reconciliation Rev22:14

 

[Leaf473]

Do unto others as you would do unto yourself is the principle of how to love thy neighbor which is demonstrated from the Ten Commandment. Rom 13:9

Is it possible to keep all of the Ten commandments and still pass by the wounded man on the side of the road without helping? If so, are we loving our neighbor as our self if we do that?

Bible Gateway passage: Proverbs 19:17 - New Century Version

Being kind to the poor is like lending to the LORD; he will reward you for what you have done.

www.biblegateway.com

I did not come to destroy the law or prophets but to fulfill and the word here means to fill full and does not translate into breaking the least of these commandments as Jesus taught Mat 5:19 or editing any of the commandments Mat 5:18. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments to define the least of these commandments so we don't need to guess which commandments, but if you want to think and teach others the Ten Commandments are not in the New Covenant despite Jesus saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these as one would be least in heaven and by the next verse Mat5:20 least in heaven means one won't be there and you think that is being responsible and loving to our neighbor to teach people how to end up off the narrow path. We don't need to keep the Ten Commandments, its "Old Covenant" so we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day or break the least of these commandments the opposite of what Jesus taught and lived, well, that is something we will all have to stand before Jesus one day soon to answer to. Jesus said when we keep our own rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments one's heart is far from Him, which is not what the New Covenant is about- God's law written in our hearts kept by His faithful through loyalty, faith and love which reconciles Rev 22:14 Disobedience without repenting and forsaking Pro 28:13 through Christ John 14:15-18 separates Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15

I am going to take the advice Jesus gave to His disciples- Mat 15:14, there is only so much one can do. You will never convince me that God didn't separate the Ten Commandments from all other laws when He clearly said He did Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 Deut 31:24-26 and misunderstand their reach as Jesus explains Mat 5:19-30 or that the Ten Commandments is "old covenant" and we no longer need to keep them, not a teaching from Jesus or the apostles, but a teaching of man sadly leading people to sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 and Judgement James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 so we need to be very careful as Jesus stated what we teach and what we follow. Obeying God the way He said will never lead one off the narrow path but only back to reconciliation Rev22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

^ only if one didn't fully understand the extent, reach and principles of the Ten Commandments.

If one was truly keeping the very first commandment Exo 20:3 would do everything Jesus asks of us, which is summed up in love- love to man, love to God.

 

[daq]

Says nothing of a "heavenly Mother" Paul contrasting the covenants using Sarah and Hagar as an allegory does not make them a Heavenly Mother, that's a lot of reading into the Text. One would have to understand the story of Sarah and Hagar to understand the contrast Paul is making with the Old and New Covenants. One depended on their own strength and will, the other depended on God's, the better promise in the New Covenant.

We are too far apart in our understanding of God's Word, and that's ok, all will get sorted out soon enough.

I sincerely hope it is indeed sorted out for you soon enough, but as for me, concerning this topic, that has already happened, and that became especially true when I finally realized the difference between Rhema-Spoken Word, (Exo 20), and Logos-Understanding, (Exo 34), based on that Spoken Word-Rhema, (Exo 20). Thus we are warned not to lean on our own understanding, (Prov 3:5).