Islam a religion of Peace?

[h2whoa]

Can I say I agree.

Sure can!

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Well, to summarize then,
Facts are a hurdle for everyone here, there will be no refuting what I said with ANY evidence whatsoever, and one doesn't have to know the scriptures to know God. Brilliant.

 

[Druweid]

Doesn't amaze me at all. Truth is never popular. I have been told the same thing, yet not one person in this entire forum can show one single error in my posts.

I disagree. In a prior post, you said,

If a Christian goes and kills someone today, they have absolutely zero scriptural support and one can not find one verse in the Bible to condone this behavior. If I'm wrong, show me

To which I replied,

Check out armyofgod.com ... they advocate murder, lionize the murderers of innocent people, and justify it all by the scriptures.

Now, whether or not you or I believe the quoted scripture actually supports their actions is inconsequential. You ask those people what motivates them to kill and support killers, and they will point to the scripture. It is the same with Muslim terrorists; they point to the Koran for their justification, yet the majority of Muslims maintain the terrorists are misapplying the teachings of Mohammad (pbuh) and/or taking them out of context.

Now you can claim that you are still correct because this means this or that means that, or they're not really Christians because you believe ...etc., etc., but the people reading these posts are intelligent enough to realize when and where you're engaging in verbal sleight-of-hand and creative semantics.

I state facts, and people don't like it so it is I who am hateful.

Subjective and inflammatory. I don't proclaim you as being hateful, but I believe that you might be. I think that, not for "stating facts," but for painting with such a wide brush, and expressing your disdain with such vigor. I imagine others may feel the same. Rhetoric may be fine for expressing opinions, but let's maintain some objectivity as well.

Problem is,... they have never read one page of Islam's oldest sources and still feel they can comment intelligently on them.

You're absolutely right, I have not read one shred of the texts in question. I would still maintain my opinions based on the actions of 99.9% of Muslims in this world who have never committed an act of terrorism.

Muslims know what the sources say and choose to be deceitful. It is what they are ordered to do by their religion. We, being ignorant fools, fall for it. It's as simple as that.

If it is that simple, then please, show me any demonstrable, empirical evidence that clearly indicates that terrorism is supported by anything more than one tenth of one percent of Muslims in this world. Specifically, not by your interpretation of their religious texts, but by their actions.

I would stop posting if they would stop lying. I could very easily start threads destroying Islam, one after another, but I just desire truth. I present facts, I present evidence 10 times over from the very Islamic books they should be reading, and I am countered with opinion. I attack the religion responsible for damning billions of souls, and they come back with an attack against me personally. And then it is I who am labeled hateful.

Well there it is, in the proverbial nutshell, isn't it? This isn't really about terrorism, or killing, or scriptual interpretation, is it? This is because they're not Christians, period. Everything else has been little more than rationalization.

Kinda comical if you look at it in the right light.

You honestly believe any of this is funny??

I won't even try to reply to the remainder of your post. Despite your ongoing insistance of "stating facts," in the end, it's all still subjective rhetoric.

Regards,
-- Druweid

 

[Islam_mulia]

The difference is so clear, it is painful.
Crusaders were not Christians. I proved this several times but people like alangurvey choose to post ignorance anyway. As shocking as this may be to some, there is nothing in the Bible that says to kill black people and burn crosses on their yard. KKK aren't "Christians" either. There is nothing that says to kill abortion doctors as they go to work like a few nuts did years back. Sorry to disappoint you God haters but they aren't "Christians" either. And believe it or not, Tim McViegh didn't get inspiration from Yahuweh's scriptures either. Does anyone care to give me just one single open ended killing order from the Bible? Anyone here know of a command to kill more recent than 3200 years ago in the Bible? When was the last time some innocent human heard "Yahuweh is greatest" as their last words? Guess what you will hear last if you are beheaded....or flew into the buildings on 9-11? Allahu akbar. Exactly. Now here are Islam's prime sources: the Sira (biography), Ta'rikh (history), Hadith (report), or Qur'an (recital). Pick up, and read! Shed your ignorance about Islam. Good Muslims (we cal them terrorists), are following their religion to a tee. They not only follow the desires of their demented god, they are following the example of their prophet, p e r f e c t l y ! This is fundamental Islam in action. Get use to it. It " Must stay awhile"( as John informs us)

You would see the stark difference between a Chrsitian like YIHN and Muslims. YIHN would have no hesitation to label a person 'Christian' or 'non Christian' as if he was given the autonomy to point and choose who is going to heaven and who is bound to hell. Muslims, on the other hand, are more cautious in labelling a person as 'non-Muslim' as who is preceived to go to heaven or hell is purely God to decide.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

You're absolutely right, I have not read one shred of the texts in question.

At least you are honest

As far as your link, I did just go there and the first thing one will see is Psalm 106 ripped from context. This is Yahweh telling about His disdain for false deities, and idol worship, yet that site presents it like
They sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils

but when read with ssrronding verses it is a direct condemnation of that very act. It is hardly the same, my friend. And I won't go into the translation errors, but understand that there is only one devil, never plural.
I see no reason to go further on a web site that starts off in that manner. Here it is with a little more context.

​

35But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.​

qvb://0/anchor/3636And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.​

qvb://0/anchor/3737Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,​

qvb://0/anchor/3838And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.​

qvb://0/anchor/3939Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.​

qvb://0/anchor/4040Therefore was the wrath of the LORD​

​

Come on man.​

 

[YahwehisHisname]

You would see the stark difference between a Chrsitian like YIHN and Muslims.

I do not call myself a Christian. First error.


YIHN would have no hesitation to label a person 'Christian' or 'non Christian'

Have never done this and you can't supply evidence for your statement. Error # 2


as if he was given the autonomy to point and choose who is going to heaven and who is bound to hell.


I refute, condemn and judge a persons words. Yahuweh judges souls. I have never taken any other position than this, and once again you will not give a shred of proof to support your slanderous statement(error # 3). I attack your religion(with facts), and I attack your statements. You attack me personally. There is a difference. It's amazing to me, still, how neutral parties don't see this.

Nice to see you pipe in Islam Mulia. It seems whenever I ask a tough question you disappear.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

If it is that simple, then please, show me any demonstrable, empirical evidence that clearly indicates that terrorism is supported by anything more than one tenth of one percent of Muslims in this world. Specifically, not by your interpretation of their religious texts, but by their actions.

While not all Muslims are terrorists, virtually all terrorists are Muslims. This should tell us something about Islam. According to independent surveys, eighty-five percent of terrorist acts worldwide are directly attributable to the Islamic faith. Yet Muslims represent less than twenty percent of the world’s population. Since the militants are called “a radical minority” let’s say that only twenty percent of Muslims are jihad fighters in Allah’s Cause. If that’s true, four percent of the world’s population takes Islam seriously. One out of twenty-five humans emulate Muhammad's example and follow Allah’s orders as revealed in the Qur’an and Hadith. These men and women are 2,000% more lethal than the rest of us. Do the math.


Well there it is, in the proverbial nutshell, isn't it? This isn't really about terrorism, or killing, or scriptual interpretation, is it? This is because they're not Christians, period.

It absolutely is about killing and terrorism. I am not interested in coverting anyone.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Nice to see you pipe in Islam Mulia. It seems whenever I ask a tough question you disappear.

And which is that? Could it be the same accusation of the Prophet without giving any evidence whatsoever? I have yet to meet a Christian that acts so much like you, betraying even the advice of your Lord.

But I will always try to tackle your silly postings on Islam.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Then try tackling the question I posed in the very thread you started about me(a discussion with YIHN). It has been over a hundred posts and you won't answer the question. Yasser finally did, but it will come back to bite Islam in the butt when it is my turn to ask another question, so he won't communicate further either. It is becoming clearer each day that goes by that you refuse to answer by saying that I need evidence to ask a question. I told you the evidence will pour in once you answer the question.

I don't call myself a christian and I don't have a "Lord".

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

I suppose its a case of extremism V's extremism.
Truth of the matter is that people in the middle-east are not normal thinking people. They hate the west and yet crave the freedoms that we enjoy here.

Why don't you go and talk to some Middle-Eastern people about how they feel about the US and other countries that are hated by many Middle Eastern nations. Most will be straight forward and honest if you are not hostile with them. Also read some of the terrorist websites, they constantly repeat over and over why they dislike the US, it has nothing to do with "freedom".

It has to do with the actions military and other government agencies of countries that like to keep secrets from its very own citizens because their actions are so immoral.

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

Nobody is perfect. But why dont the Islamic community stand up to these nutters (extremists) that are tarnishing the name of Islam?

They do and anyone that goes to a real Masjid hears the message of peace, they hear people denouncing the attacks, discouraging the youth from following in the footsteps of of those who do wrong, and encouraging parents to make sure their teenagers who rarely attend real religious instruction to participate instead of getting their material from online hate sites that encourage Jihad.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

They do and anyone that goes to a real Masjid hears the message of peace, they hear people denouncing the attacks, discouraging the youth from following in the footsteps of of those who do wrong, and encouraging parents to make sure their teenagers who rarely attend real religious instruction to participate instead of getting their material from online hate sites that encourage Jihad.

I hope more of that is made public and is extremely encouraging.
There are some in "christianity" [and Islam I think] that feel the "Christ" cannot return until certain events happen in the Mid-east and I believe they have some rather "unbiblical" views concerning the "endtimes".

Those should be focusing more on bringing peace NOW and not worry about the future supposedly "end of the world", which may or may not happen anyway. Just random thoughts.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is At Hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers. [prophecied almost 2000 yrs ago and still "counting"]

Peace to all.

 

[Druweid]

At least you are honest

To a fault, on that you can depend.

As far as your link, I did just go there and the first thing one will see is Psalm 106 ripped from context.

I though I was quite clear on this in my previous post. I may not know the scripture as well as you, nonetheless, you and I both clearly know it's out of context.

BUT

To "them" it's crystal clear; the bible not only condones lethal action, it insists upon it. And nothing that you or I said to "them" would begin to change their minds. Sure, you can say you don't see a single passage or verse that justifies violence, but there will always be somebody, somewhere for whom it will. It's just not about what the writer says, it's about what the reader infers.

If I chose, I could find words to motivate me to murder on the side-panel of a box of Cheerios(tm). 'Course, then I suppose I would be considered a serial killer.

Just my thoughts,
-- Druweid

 

[Druweid]

While not all Muslims are terrorists, virtually all terrorists are Muslims. This should tell us something about Islam.

Okay, let's hold it right there, and talk just about that statement for a moment.


At face value, I do not deny that it appears that "virtually all terrorists ar Muslims." I don't possess enough knowledge to dispute that intelligently. However, I do know there are contributing factors to that statement that should be given due consideration to maintain a fair perspective.

First, there was a time, not so very long ago, when terrorists could be found from a large variety of backgrounds, such as Nazi's, Viet Cong, or the IRA. Today, great advancements have been made toward establishing peace between peoples of differing ideals. So in part, the increasing percentage of terrorists being Muslim may be due to the decrease of terrorists as a whole.

Second, the term "terrorist" is being somewhat selectively applied, and usually for political reasons. Why aren't the Ku Klux Klan considered terrorists? The Somalian Mooryaan? The ETA Basque? It seems to me a large gray area exists between those groups who commit violence, and those who are called terrorists.

Third, not all terrorists who are Muslim are committing violence in the name of Islam. There are Nationalist, Separatist, and a few Marxist-Leninist groups who are motivated by purely secular reasons.

So ultimately, a resounding "No," I do not accept that statement, "virtually all terrorists are Muslims" as being a proper reflection of Islam.

According to independent surveys, eighty-five percent of terrorist acts worldwide are directly attributable to the Islamic faith.

Now, that may be true, but statistics can be influenced to say just about anything you want them to say. 14% of all people know that. Seriously, though, my sources say something closer to 58% - 62%, but I choose to not dispute that number until further evidence more clearly dictates otherwise.

Yet Muslims represent less than twenty percent of the world’s population.

According to adherents.com, 21% of the world considers themselves Muslim.

Since the militants are called “a radical minority” let’s say that only twenty percent of Muslims are jihad fighters in Allah’s Cause.

That's a mighty hefty number to be pulling out of thin air! Please, put something substantial behind that if you intend to base future debate on it.

If that’s true, four percent of the world’s population takes Islam seriously. One out of twenty-five humans emulate Muhammad's example and follow Allah’s orders as revealed in the Qur’an and Hadith. These men and women are 2,000% more lethal than the rest of us. Do the math.

Okay, let's do the math. According to your numbers, there are 260 million Muslims who "follow Allah’s orders as revealed in the Qur’an." That would also mean that there are slightly over one billion Muslims who, by your interpretation, are practicing Islam incorrectly. So, now the question of questions.

What makes you a better authority on what Islam is, and how Islam should be practiced, than slightly over one billion Muslims?

It absolutely is about killing and terrorism. I am not interested in coverting anyone.

I never said anything about converting. It's about having already condemned Muslims for not being Christian. You said it yourself:

I attack the religion responsible for damning billions of souls

That makes it abundantly clear to me that you will condemn Muslims by any means necessary, but your primary motivation is a conflict in religious ideology.

Respectfully,
-- Druweid

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Okay, let's hold it right there, and talk just about that statement for a moment.


At face value, I do not deny that it appears that "virtually all terrorists ar Muslims." I don't possess enough knowledge to dispute that intelligently. However, I do know there are contributing factors to that statement that should be given due consideration to maintain a fair perspective.

First, there was a time, not so very long ago, when terrorists could be found from a large variety of backgrounds, such as Nazi's, Viet Cong, or the IRA. Today, great advancements have been made toward establishing peace between peoples of differing ideals. So in part, the increasing percentage of terrorists being Muslim may be due to the decrease of terrorists as a whole.

The dogmas that caused them were destroyed and thus things like Nazism ended. Killing Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Al Zarqawi, etc. will do nothing. They are symptoms of the source. We must attack the doctrine that inspires them. Had we waged an attacked on blitzkriegers, or Kamikaze's, we would still be at war. Think about it. Terror is a tactic, not a foe.

Second, the term "terrorist" is being somewhat selectively applied, and usually for political reasons. Why aren't the Ku Klux Klan considered terrorists?


I say they are. But again, once the dogma was exposed, the KKK was dismantled. It didn't take long either. Sure, there are remnants but they are inconsequential, and viewed as...... well, you know how they are viewed. Not very popular folks.

The Somalian Mooryaan?

Islam is the state religion. They are Sunni Muslims acting just like Muhammed when they are killing men, and children, stealing property and raping women. They are ordered to follow their prophets(he wasn't one) example and these Muslims know his example very well apparently.

The ETA Basque?

They target politicians, and they do not have a doctrine that calls for the death of certain people. The experts say that Basque-Americans do not provide financial support, weapons, or political support for ETA, and most people have never heard of them or had their lives effected by their actions. They do commit terrorists acts, and should be halted, and I think they are. Hasn't the "war on terror" stopped their funding as well? Froze assets? I think it has. I admitted that there are always exceptions, and you can name those few if you'd like but that doesn't changed the fact that 90% of worldwide terror is linked to Islam, and that should be alarming.

It seems to me a large gray area exists between those groups who commit violence, and those who are called terrorists.
Third, not all terrorists who are Muslim are committing violence in the name of Islam. There are Nationalist, Separatist, and a few Marxist-Leninist groups who are motivated by purely secular reasons.


I am not aware of this.

So ultimately, a resounding "No," I do not accept that statement, "virtually all terrorists are Muslims" as being a proper reflection of Islam.


90% of worldwide terror comes from 20% of the population- Islam.

Now, that may be true, but statistics can be influenced to say just about anything you want them to say. 14% of all people know that.



Seriously, though, my sources say something closer to 58% - 62%, but I choose to not dispute that number until further evidence more clearly dictates otherwise.
According to adherents.com, 21% of the world considers themselves Muslim.
That's a mighty hefty number to be pulling out of thin air! Please, put something substantial behind that if you intend to base future debate on it.

2 out of 10 is a "minority" but if you'd like to lower the number, fine. But you can still do the math and find it unacceptable. Did you know that Muslims represented less than three percent of the Meccan population during Muhammad’s day and yet they conquered the Quraysh, stealing their liberties. Only three percent of Germans were Nazis in the late 1920s when Hitler rose to power, yet they destroyed their nation and much of the world. Barely three percent of Russians were Communists during Lenin’s revolution yet they managed to enslave and impoverish nearly a billion people for eighty years. Three percent of Americans today call themselves Muslims.



Okay, let's do the math. According to your numbers, there are 260 million Muslims who "follow Allah’s orders as revealed in the Qur’an." That would also mean that there are slightly over one billion Muslims who, by your interpretation, are practicing Islam incorrectly.



It's not MY INTERPRETATION. It's Allah's.
That right there, is the entire problem..


So, now the question of questions.

What makes you a better authority on what Islam is, and how Islam should be practiced, than slightly over one billion Muslims?

I just told you. It doesn't matter what I think or say. Do you want me to show you where it says that Jihad is fighting, and never spiritual? I'll show you where it says that Jihad in incumbant on every Muslim and is a pillar of Islam. I'll show you where it says that whoever leaves their religion, they are to be killed. You see this often so showing you shouldn't even need to happen...but I will. I'll show you the Islamic scripture that says to kill every Jew and wipe out the Christians until they are gone. It says to fight until only Islam is the religion and Allah alone is worshiped. The message is crystal clear if we would only pick up a book and crack it open. Notice that I will "show you", not "tell you". My opinion is worthless, and that means Muslims here should be held to the same standard. Who cares about their opinions? Show me with evidence and scripture......like I do. They can't, and again, that should rings some bells.



I never said anything about converting. It's about having already condemned Muslims for not being Christian.

That's silly. I refute lies. Nothing more. I am not interested in converting anyone, or condemning anyone. It is why I attack words and religions and not people. Muslims attack me personally. Bells????



You said it yourself:
That makes it abundantly clear to me that you will condemn Muslims by any means necessary, but your primary motivation is a conflict in religious ideology.

The third commandment orders me to refute all deception pertaining to Yahuweh. Islam is a full frontal attack on Him. I repudiate the worthless lies pertaining to Islam because it must corrupt His word to lend credibility to itself. I hope you will study the topic before coming to conclusions about me. Can't you tell who the honest one is when reading a debate with myself and Muslims?

 

[Druweid]

The dogmas that caused them were...

No.

I say they are. But again, once the dogma...

No.

Islam is the state religion. They are...

No.

They target politicians, and they ...

No.

Not one of these responses directly addresses my statements. I will not be drawn into tangents distracting from the point I am making. I re-iterate:

Okay, let's hold it right there, and talk just about that statement for a moment.

I cannot put that any more plain or simple. You presented the statement, and I choose to not accept it based on three undetermined variables:

1. The decrease in the number of non-Muslim terrorists does not neccesarily mean that the number of Muslim terrorists is increasing.

2. Not all people committing acts of terror are included in the statistics regarding terrorism.

3. Not all Muslims are motivated by Islam, some have purely political agendas.

Please limit your response to that which is directly related.

2 out of 10 is a "minority" but if you'd like to lower the number, fine.

I do not want to "lower" that number, I want to reasonably ascertain a correct, falsifiable number.

Did you know that Muslims represented less than three percent of the Meccan population during Muhammad’s day and yet they conquered the Quraysh, stealing their liberties. Only three percent of Germans were Nazis in the late 1920s when Hitler rose to power, yet they destroyed their nation and much of the world. Barely three percent of Russians were Communists during Lenin’s revolution yet they managed to enslave and impoverish nearly a billion people for eighty years.

All of which proves nothing. It is prejudicial and not directly related to this discussion.

Three percent of Americans today call themselves Muslims.

More likely, it's around one pecent. Check here: http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_islam_usa.html

Okay, let's do the math. According to your numbers, there are 260 million Muslims who "follow Allah’s orders as revealed in the Qur’an." That would also mean that there are slightly over one billion Muslims who, by your interpretation, are practicing Islam incorrectly.

It's not MY INTERPRETATION. It's Allah's.
That right there, is the entire problem...

Your opinion of what is said in the Koran is of no more worthy than my opinion on what Christian scripture "really means." You say the Koran means one thing, over a billion Muslims say it means another. How more clearly can I define the concept of an interpretation?

What makes you a better authority on what Islam is, and how Islam should be practiced, than slightly over one billion Muslims?

I just told you. It doesn't matter what I think or say. Do you want me to show you where it says that Jihad is fighting, and never spiritual? I'll show you where it says that Jihad in incumbant on every Muslim and is a pillar of Islam. I'll show you where it says that whoever leaves their religion, they are to be killed.

What would be the point? I'm supposed to believe you over the peaceful example set by over a billion Muslims???

That's silly. I refute lies. Nothing more. I am not interested in converting anyone, or condemning anyone. It is why I attack words and religions and not people.

Really? So tell me, while you're attacking "religions and not people" exactly what choices do the members of that religion have besides conversion or condemnation?

The third commandment orders me to refute all deception pertaining to Yahuweh. Islam is a full frontal attack on Him. I repudiate the worthless lies pertaining to Islam because it must corrupt His word to lend credibility to itself. I hope you will study the topic before coming to conclusions about me. Can't you tell who the honest one is when reading a debate with myself and Muslims?

Believe me, I see things with alarming clarity.

Regards,
-- Druweid

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Your opinion of what is said in the Koran is of no more worthy than my opinion on what Christian scripture "really means." You say the Koran means one thing, over a billion Muslims say it means another. How more clearly can I define the concept of an interpretation?

I can actually understand that point. Just as christ-ians and jews sometimes have difficulty with the Interpretations of the Bible, so do the Muslims often have difficulty with theirs.
Translations are another problem with the Bible and maybe even with the Koran, so I guess until there is a PERFECT consenses on both Books, each person of each religion will have to worship the Lord in the way their prospective books tell them I suppose. Peace.

(Young) Mark 12:29 and Jesus answered him--`The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

 

[YahwehisHisname]

People are curious creatures.

I don't see the reason for continuing a point that is so painfully obvious yet still remains mysterious, but I'll
try again.

I seem to be speaking in a different language. I have tried to present the evidence and feel that I have. I guess people can't find truth for the same reason thieves can't find police officers. Here is the easiest I can put it currently.

One would have to twist and rip from context a biblical verse to condone a violent act. When the scriptures are understood and followed, the message is one that leads to happiness and joy. To think it calls for violence is foolish beyond words since the actual message is the antithesis.

Now Islam. One does NOT have to rip from context or twist the verses because the message is crystal clear, and repetitive. It says to kill every Christian and every Jew until Islam is the only religion and Allah alone is worshiped. Am I the only one here that can understand the difference? Oh yeah......they're doing it!

The only way to be a peaceful Muslim is to ignore the Islamic scriptures, or be ignorant of them. Is that clear enough? Recognize a difference?

Because a billion Muslims are not outside with knives
right now, is inconsequential.
If you would like to know why a billion Muslims seem to interpret it differently, ask.

 

[warghaha]

One would have to twist and rip from context a biblical verse to condone a violent act. When the scriptures are understood and followed, the message is one that leads to happiness and joy. To think it calls for violence is foolish beyond words since the actual message is the antithesis.

So far so good.

Now Islam. One does NOT have to rip from context or twist the verses because the message is crystal clear, and repetitive. It says to kill every Christian and every Jew until Islam is the only religion and Allah alone is worshiped. Am I the only one here that can understand the difference? Oh yeah......they're doing it!

That's when they read the Quran only some parts and ignore most other parts. Why do they did that is on their own motives. Political mostly.

The only way to be a peaceful Muslim is to ignore the Islamic scriptures, or be ignorant of them. Is that clear enough? Recognize a difference?

I think it's the other way round. When they ignore most parts of the Quran and follow the parts(and of course twisting it) that suit to their agenda, then they will be unpeaceful Muslims.

Salaam.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

So far so good.

That's when they read the Quran only some parts and ignore most other parts. Why do they did that is on their own motives. Political mostly.


Can't understand the point, but when they all say "Allahu Akbar-Allah is greatest" before they kill, we can surmise it is religion and not politics.


I think it's the other way round. When they ignore most parts of the Quran

Ignore what parts? Other than the plagiarized verses stolen from Jews, there is not one single verse that encourages peaceful behavior by Muslims. None. Earlier, I said that I would post 500 nasty verses from Islam's oldest sources for every peaceful one they could bring and someone took me up on it.They lost.



and follow the parts(and of course twisting it)


Nope. I just said this. A Muslim does not have to twist anything. It is very clear. "Kill every Jew", and "wipe the Christians out til the last". A Muslim would have to twist them to be peaceful.
Opposites.

that suit to their agenda, then they will be unpeaceful Muslims.

The "unpeaceful" Muslims are the ones who know the Qur'an best. They know what it says and are doing it. They are acting just like Muhammed. Muslims are ordered to follow his example, and he was a terrorist, so they are also. The ones we call terrorists are loved by Allah. He tells them this many times. It is the peaceful Muslims Allah hates. He reserves the hottest places in hell for them, where he will personally torment them.