Islam a religion of Peace?

[seed757]

You know the tragedy of all of this is that there are many Muslims that try so desperately to have some sort of cordial and amiable relationship with non-Muslims, but time and time again it seems as if non-Muslims are the ones who try to frustrate those efforts.

 

[neilius73]

Thanks to Yahweh for the short history in those posts.
There is little evidence that Islam is a peaceful religion.

 

[Druweid]

Islam breeds terrorists. Period.
Why did they first response about Islam being violent redirect the question the Christianity as if Islam wins by default?

That is your opinion. I see it as a case of the coffee calling the kettle black. That's just my opinion.

I am getting soooo tired of looking at these comments, and posting after, I will start a thread soon to address this foolish claim that Christianity is just as violent. The difference is simple. If a Christian goes and kills someone today, they have absolutely zero scriptural support and one can not find one verse in the Bible to condone this behavior. If I'm wrong, show me.

Check out armyofgod.com Oh granted, it's not about war, and not on the scale of terrorism, but nonetheless, they advocate murder, lionize the murderers of innocent people, and justify it all by the scriptures.

Islam, on the other hand is the opposite. There are hundreds of commands ordering Muslims to kill until Islam and Allah are worshiped.

Oh, and this is SOOO different from the Saxon Wars waged by Charlemagne.

This is how they get to heaven people. There are no such bargains in the gospels. Muslims are the only people on the planet who celebrate death. Allah loves these jihadists. Allah hates peaceful Muslims. Jihad is a PILLAR in Islam and incumbent on every Muslim. Allah condones, and rewards for these actions. All you have to do is read the book. What a concept, huh?

The only "concept" I see here is a great deal of subjective rhetoric with very little factual support.

Show me one open ended killing order in the Bible? You can't!

If that be the case, then how did the people I've already mentioned find it so easy to kill one, or even thousands, and all for the cause of Christianity?

Respectfully,
-- Druweid

 

[peaceinislam]

Islam breeds terrorists. Period.
Why did they first response about Islam being violent redirect the question the Christianity as if Islam wins by default? I am getting soooo tired of looking at these comments, and posting after, I will start a thread soon to address this foolish claim that Christianity is just as violent. The difference is simple. If a Christian goes and kills someone today, they have absolutely zero scriptural support and one can not find one verse in the Bible to condone this behavior. If I'm wrong, show me.
Islam, on the other hand is the opposite. There are hundreds of commands ordering Muslims to kill until Islam and Allah are worshiped. This is how they get to heaven people. There are no such bargains in the gospels. Muslims are the only people on the planet who celebrate death. Allah loves these jihadists. Allah hates peaceful Muslims. Jihad is a PILLAR in Islam and incumbent on every Muslim. Allah condones, and rewards for these actions. All you have to do is read the book. What a concept, huh?
Show me one open ended killing order in the Bible? You can't! Wanna see some from Islam?

Those are not Islamic Youth. Those are youth with Islamic background. Youth whose ethnicity comes from Muslim countries.

If we are to follow your line of reasoning then we have to believe that Christianity is not a religion of Peace. Northern Ireland, El Salvador, Lebanon, and the United States are the same evidence of the anti-peace tendencies of Christians.

does YahwehisHisname think any1 is going to go flocking to convert to christianity with his hatespeech. without facts. he doesnt seem to know that jihad isnt a pillar of islam. & there isnt a single incident in the quran where fighting is allowed outside the context of defence & against opression. he doesnt seem to know that biblical moses orders the killing of women & children, & raping of babies. & biblical david advocates killing little boys by bashing their heads agaist rocks. i challenge u to show me where the quran divinely advocates terrorist methods like this. & biblical jesus says he came to bring a sword, told his disciples to sell their belongings to buy swords, & wanted to slay all his enemies. u also forget the dismal tradition of christinaity. that Catholics (the main denomination around for 1000 years)persecuted/burned 100’s of 1000’s (or even millions) of Protestants that emerged 1500 years ago. But they were not able to eliminate them. that for Galeleo’s scientific facts, he got burned for heresy by the church. & the massacres of the Crusaders, who killed muslims, christians, jews & every1 else, & burned jews alive in their synagogues, & were proud of it all, & who were sanctioned by the churches, & who told them all they do would be forgiven so they did as they pleased. raping women & putting children on sickles. & what about the murderous inquisition in Spain. & what of the american Christians fundamentalists who burn abortion clinics. & george bush who killed up to a half million innocents in afghanistan & iraq & called it a "CRUSADE" & said "GOD IS ON OUR SIDE." what kind of moral high ground do christians possibly think they stand on? this is nothing but hatespeech & we are so sick of it.

 

[neilius73]

All one has to do is to take a look at an Islamic forum board. I actually joined one a few months ago, just so I could lurk and read what these people think. The forum board was called Ummah or something (i cannot remember the name, or even my username, having only viewed it the once) and the people there were talking about the glorious jihad and destruction of the Jews, how the world will be a much better place once it's been Islamicised. The glory of dying for Palestine and the joy of death for islam.

 

[neilius73]

I dont hate Islamic people, indeed i know a few muslims, but what is wrong here is that either the media isnt choosing to portray moderate muslims protesting against the extremists OR they are not protesting at all.

 

[peaceinislam]

All one has to do is to take a look at an Islamic forum board. I actually joined one a few months ago, just so I could lurk and read what these people think. The forum board was called Ummah or something (i cannot remember the name, or even my username, having only viewed it the once) and the people there were talking about the glorious jihad and destruction of the Jews, how the world will be a much better place once it's been Islamicised. The glory of dying for Palestine and the joy of death for islam.

what is the site u refer to? the thing about jews is really about israel. islam doesnt have a history of anti-semitism. jews persecurted everywhere, especially by catholics, were invited into the ottoman empire, where they even built mosques for them which still stand today. israel-palestine is the cause of a lot of trouble in the world today. israel defines itself as a jewish state, religiously & legally. practically all jewish orginizations unconditionally support everything israel does. thus jews are natuarlly associated with israel. an entire indigenous people were forced off their land & now live under dire occupation. 3 palestinians are killed for every1 israeli killed. in the beginning the ratio was far worse, it used to be 20 palestinians to 1 israeli. yet it is only the "1" that people are concerned about. israel has also improsoned over 30000 people, including women & children, without trial. all major human rights orginizations (like human rights watch, amnesty intertaional, b'etselem etc) all report how israel willfully kill innocent palestinians. basically only israel itself denies it. its only recently that israel & USA have began talking about a 2 state solution. they resisted every UN resolution to it prior. the palestian cause is a just cause. but it is their cause we support not their methods. becoz it is a cause about liberation, not occupation. its gotting very little to do with islam. it is simply a desparate situation. if all palestinians were hindus do u think they wouldnt be fighting for their liberation? that said, taking innocent lives on both side should be condemned by all.

I dont hate Islamic people, indeed i know a few muslims, but what is wrong here is that either the media isnt choosing to portray moderate muslims protesting against the extremists OR they are not protesting at all.

neilius73, almost the entire muslim leadership of the world has condemned terrorism. u realise that there are about 1.5 billion muslims in the world & muslims saying 'my religion is about love & peace' hardly makes the daily news. all we ever see is the violent fraction. & they are a fraction. when was the last time u ever saw dead bodies in palestinian streets, even tho 10 palestinians are killed every day? & when was the last time u saw dead bosnians, even tho there has been a consistent genocide there since the early 90's where tens of thousands have been killed? our thought are very conditions by what we see in the media & how much of it we see. for example, just becoz we dont see the bosnian genocide doesnt mean it isnt there.

& do u think we could have reasonable discussions without the rabbit hate slurs. its unconstructive. & looks xenophobic & arrogant on the part of christians. it basically cuts off discussion.
-peace.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

neilius73, almost the entire muslim leadership of the world has condemned terrorism. u realise that there are about 1.5 billion muslims in the world & muslims saying 'my religion is about love & peace' hardly makes the daily news. all we ever see is the violent fraction. & they are a fraction. when was the last time u ever saw dead bodies in palestinian streets, even tho 10 palestinians are killed every day?

Do muslims feel the jewish religion alone is entitled to Jerusalem and sourrounding Judea? Can anyone in good concience call Jerualem or the land of Israel "Holy" today? Thoughts?

Matt 21:12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.' "

Luke 21:21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
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[/SIZE] zech 14:21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite/merchant in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[Malikshabaz]

I suppose its a case of extremism V's extremism.
Truth of the matter is that people in the middle-east are not normal thinking people. They hate the west and yet crave the freedoms that we enjoy here.

What freedoms , you don't have many at the Moment, you have police states and dictatorships you can't even be neutral "your either with us or with them." according to Bush, and if you are not with us that means you cannot be neutral.What freedom?
What freedom did the blacks have until about 30 odd years ago.
Freedom to Lie and steal and take other people's freedom.Freedom to wake up and say we will go and attack so and so and make up lies to the world in order to do so.What freedom.Freedom to silence People who tell the truth. What freedom tell me show me and I will come and grab some of your freedumb you are offering otherwise thank you very much you can keep your freedumbs.Freedom to assasinate some one like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King cos they fought for real Justice and real freedom.
Is that what you call freedom.Freedom to launch an attack or let an attack on you own people happen killing loads of innocent civilians. And then blame others and tell lies and go and attack others for it. Is that your freedom.Freeedom to go and Attack and kill innocent People of vietnam who never one day called me a ****** who did not come onto my land to attack me.Is that your freedom
Thank you , you
can keep your freedom
Malik shabaz
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[AlanGurvey]

Thanks to Yahweh for the short history in those posts.
There is little evidence that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Same with christianity, crusades anyone? Thirty years war? Spanish civil war?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks to Yahweh for the short history in those posts.
There is little evidence that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Same with christianity, crusades anyone? Thirty years war? Spanish civil war?

Yep. Can't argue with that.

Malachi 1:14 "But cursed [be] the deceiver Who has in his flock a male, And takes a vow, But sacrifices to the Lord what is blemished -- For I [am] a great King," Says the LORD of hosts, "And My name [is to be] feared among the nations.

 

[Malikshabaz]

I suppose its a case of extremism V's extremism.
Truth of the matter is that people in the middle-east are not normal thinking people. They hate the west and yet crave the freedoms that we enjoy here.

What freedoms, freedom to Kill and imprison News reporters who are telling the truth to the worldand threaten to bomb TV and radio station who are telling the truth to the world.What freedom? freedom to hide the truth and don't tell parents their children have been killed in a worthless war, freedom to hide the amount of casualties.Freedom to lie when a plane Gets shot down saying it was technical damage.Freedom to misinform your own people and make them live in fear.Freedom to make up lies and let innocent people die with anthrax Just to fulifill your political agenda.Freedom?
Is this what you call freedom?
Islam frees a man from birth,Free of sin born sinless.
Islam makes man servant of GOD alone and not servant of this world and Satan and man. Islam freed the poor by prohibitting Usury and interest, Christian priests reinstated usury and interest to further enslave the poor.Islam gave peace and freedom to the people of every nation it conquered, Spain is an example where Jews and Christians lived side by sisde under islamic law for 500 years, but when the Pioneers of freedumb conquer, they pillage, steal , kill and destroy,and rape, they torture prisoners in the name of freedom.What freedom?
You have dictatorships and Police states, you have the military in the airports, what Freedom? Only the freedom to drink and get drunk and fornicate like animals, is that all the freedom you have to offer.
Thank you ,
you can keep your freedoms
malik shabaz
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[0rion]

Thanks to Yahweh for the short history in those posts.
There is little evidence that Islam is a peaceful religion

Same with christianity, crusades anyone? Thirty years war? Spanish civil war?

I don't understand... are you saying it is okay for Islam to be violent because christianity is too? Tu Quoque anyone?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't understand... are you saying it is okay for Islam to be violent because christianity is too? Tu Quoque anyone?

Alan is just saying what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

He has a "judaism" symbol by his name and we know the jews do not hold christ-ianity in too "high" of regard anyway since we appeared to have "taken" their messiah they are expecting. Don't know.

 

[Malikshabaz]

I suppose its a case of extremism V's extremism.
Truth of the matter is that people in the middle-east are not normal thinking people. They hate the west and yet crave the freedoms that we enjoy here.

Hey got any more freedumbs from the west the the Middle East craves for?
the fereedom to slander other people's religions tell lies about them and bear fasle witness, like the Billy Grahams and the Jerry falwells, the freedom to run down islam and Polygamy then be caught with prostitutes on your hands Like Jimmy swaggart.Man what freedom.Freedom for the church Bishops and priests to abuse little choir boys.Man what freedom.freedom for priest take o vow of celibacy then to committ adultery with women, Man what freedoms you have to offer,I shall be on the next palne coming to grab some.Make sure you keep some for me. Freedom WOW I will have to bath myself, immerse myself, swim in such freedumb.

Islam gave freedom to Slaves 1400 years ago.They became Part of the Family, they were no house ******s or field ******s.Bilal an Abissinian slave was freed by the Prophet of Islam and became his right hand man, he weren't no house ******.
Islam is the only solution for humanity.for 500 years Spain thrived under Islamic rule, untill the barbarians came and put their venim, Islam Protected Christians and Jews and lived in harmony with them until the crusaders Christians came and Slaughtered even the Jews. They massacred them, and then they Blame the Prophet of Islam as being violent and Killing jews.
Islam is not the Problem, you are the Problem.
Islam is the solution.
Peace
Malikshabaz
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[kit]

What is most telling is that Neilius is here inspiring hatred. I am not even Muslim and I face the hatred of Neilius and have anger arise. Knowing that this is what Muslims face from Christians all the time it is a great wonder that this world is not more violent than it already is.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is most telling is that Neilius is here inspiring hatred. I am not even Muslim and I face the hatred of Neilius and have anger arise. Knowing that this is what Muslims face from Christians all the time it is a great wonder that this world is not more violent than it already is.

I tend to agree, but don't lump all of christ-ianity together. Some may have lost family or friends through a terrorist attack just as muslims may have lost relatives from US attacks, and Israelis from palistinian attacks.

Judaism, Islam and Christ-ianity are a diverse group and each one will have some in those religions that show hatred for the other.
I myself never have.

 

[kit]

Don't tell me when and where tgo categorize. If you don't want to share in their views then disavow their Christianity!

Many more thousands of Muslims have lost their lives at the hands of Christians than victims of terrorist who happen to be Muslim.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I tend to agree, but don't lump all of christ-ianity together. Some may have lost family or friends through a terrorist attack just as muslims may have lost relatives from US attacks, and Israelis from palistinian attacks.

Judaism, Islam and Christ-ianity are a diverse group and each one will have some in those religions that show hatred for the other.
I myself never have.

Don't tell me when and where tgo categorize. If you don't want to share in their views then disavow their Christianity!

Many more thousands of Muslims have lost their lives at the hands ofChristians than victims of terrorist who happen to be Muslim.

Ok. I disavow any "hatred", regardless of race, relgion or creed, but you might also tell the muslims to not hate their jewish brethren and vice versa.

Jesus is still my Lord and King and the God of Peace.

Zephaniah 3:15 The LORD has taken away your judgments, He has cast out your enemy. The King of Israel, the LORD, [is] in your midst; You shall see disaster no more

 

[neilius73]

Im amazed that my posts have inspired hatred, that was'nt my intention. I just stated facts is all.