Hypocrisy of the Democrats: Building Walls and Demading ID

[Adam56]

A man who takes responsibility for sharing his DNA is more of a man than one who doesn’t and leaves all the birth control responsibilities on women.

Using birth control in general is a sign of liberalism, and men with low testosterone have a higher chance of holding leftist beliefs.

 

[comana]

Using birth control in general is a sign of liberalism, and men with low testosterone have a higher chance of holding leftist beliefs.

I see. I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to post a citation for that drivel.

 

[NxNW]

So then voting shouldn’t have regulations around it?

Not if they restrict lawful voters from exercising their rights.

 

[NxNW]

That if Dems want measures for guns then the same should be applied to voting.

I don't see why. It's a constitutional mandate that guns be regulated.

 

[NxNW]

The point is that Democrats claim walls don’t work.

This is false.

There’s a reason it’s called “manhood.”

Huh?

 

[Adam56]

I see. I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to post a citation for that drivel.

Are you suggesting I don’t have sources? Or just that you would just brush them off as if they’re nothing?

 

[Adam56]

Not if they restrict lawful voters from exercising their rights.

Photo IDs do not restrict lawful voters from exercising their rights.

 

[Adam56]

I don't see why. It's a constitutional mandate that guns be regulated.

So voting shouldn’t be regulated?

 

[ralliann]

Voting is a constitional right.

To the citizens of this country....

 

[BPPLEE]

The OP is absolutely incoherent. What a stupid comparison.. I would like some of those people who seem to approve of it to give rational reasons why you agree with it. I guess the only logical reason is that it's the season for looney tunes.

I would like someone to give a rational reason for opposing voter ID.

 

[BPPLEE]

If Trump doesn’t deport them in 2030 there will be new seats.

And in 18-19 years and onward all their children born on US soil will be able to vote

 

[BPPLEE]

Of course it does, because it requires money and time and documentation that not everyone can afford, especially when registration locations have been closed down by Republicans.

I guess these people can't cash a check, drive a car, check out a library book or endless other things that require ID

 

[NxNW]

Photo IDs do not restrict lawful voters from exercising their rights.

The expense, time, and documentation required can, especially if they are designed to restrict certain demographics from obtaining said ID. We've already covered this.

 

[NxNW]

So voting shouldn’t be regulated?

Not in any way that forces citizens to spend time and/or money to obtain documentation in order to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

 

[NxNW]

To the citizens of this country....

Agreed.

 

[Adam56]

The expense, time, and documentation required can, especially if they are designed to restrict certain demographics from obtaining said ID. We've already covered this.

No, you’re making an assumption it’s designed to be against black people. You need to prove this is the intention.

 

[Adam56]

Not in any way that forces citizens to spend time and/or money to obtain documentation in order to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

Everyone has to spend time to vote.

 

[NxNW]

No, you’re making an assumption it’s designed to be against black people. You need to prove this is the intention.

Did I say anything about black people?

 

[NxNW]

Everyone has to spend time to vote.

I see you're changing the subject now.

 

[Adam56]

Did I say anything about black people?

here:

ID costs time and money, and when the necessary offices are shut down, it's a massive obstacle. When birth certificates are not available, for example because black citizens' records were not properly maintained, it can be impossible.

All intelligent people understand that the above is a false statement. Here are examples proving as much:

How Do Proof-of-Citizenship Laws Block Legitimate Voters?

78-year old Lillie Lewis, an African American Missourian, was born in Mississippi and had voted in every presidential election she could remember but had no documentary evidence of her U.S. citizenship. As the Missouri amendment was being debated, she wrote to the vital records office in Mississippi seeking a copy of her birth certificate. In response, she received a letter stating that the state had no record of her birth. After decades of voting, she effectively became a non-citizen, excluded from engaging in the voting process that defines a democracy.

Black woman in rural Texas struggles with process to vote
82-year-old Elmira Hicks worried she would not be able to have her vote counted. The Oakwood, Texas, native said she hasn't been able to renew her driver’s license for more than a year because she has been unable to present the required birth certificate needed to verify her identity. Like many Black elders in the South, Hicks was born at a time when records weren't kept. She never had a birth certificate. Her daughter has helped her apply for one. The pair even went to court over the issue, and said a judge ruled in their favor. Still, they said the Office of Vital Statistics rejected Hicks because she filled out an outdated form, according to White.

"It's often very common for people of a certain age not to have a birth certificate. I want to emphasize it's not as uncommon as people might believe," said Franita Tolson, the vice dean for faculty and academic affairs and a professor of law at the University of Southern California Gould School of Law.

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250...

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

I guess you must not be poor, black, Latino, or elderly.