God's Tears

[JEBofChristTheLord]

What would it say about the character of someone with the ability to remedy suffering who sits down and cries about it instead?

It depends who "it" is. If "it" is a devil or sympathizer of same, "it" says that God is evil.

 

[CoreyD]

That must’ve sounded clever to you.

It's the truth.

 

[MehGuy]

It feels good to have a good cry every once in a while.

 

[Desk trauma]

It depends who "it" is. If "it" is a devil or sympathizer of same, "it" says that God is evil.

Mr Clinton?

 

[rebornfree]

It's lovely to have a thread about the tenderness of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Yes, Jesus cried over Jerusalem, not long before His sacrificial death. He also wept when Lazarus died, even though He was about to raise him from the dead.

 

[CoreyD]

It's lovely to have a thread about the tenderness of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Yes, Jesus cried over Jerusalem, not long before His sacrificial death. He also wept when Lazarus died, even though He was about to raise him from the dead.

Yes, I really wanted to show the exceedingly great level of God's most dominant quality - love, and how far it surpasses human emotions, but some don't like to hear anything that is truthful and good, about the heavenly father.
They like to hear how monstrous he is, like how he tortures people alive for all eternity.
So, any truth that would show that not be the case, is not appreciated.

I was hoping this would help some to reflect on how valuable humans are to God, so much so, that their suffering is felt in God's heart... their pain becomes his. So how could God knowingly allow humans to suffering for eternity, especially by an evil one, who is the instigator human suffering, and death, in the first place.
Jesus showed, that's not God's nature at all. God is nothing like man.
He is perfect in all his ways. Deuteronomy 32:4

 

[Meowzltov]

When tears flowed.
And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Luke 19:41

Why the tears flowed.


For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side.
They will level you to the ground - you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”
Luke 19:43, 44

Why does Jesus weep at the scene he foresees, of wayward Jews being slayed, along with their children?
Jesus says, they brought it on themselves, yet, Jesus wept.... Literally shed tears, at the destruction these ones would suffered.
Why?

Perhaps because he was a Jew, he loved his people, he loved his God, and he loved his religion? Perhaps because he didn't think all Jews were wayward?

BTW, I'm assuming I'm in the debate forum that allows for non-Christians. If I've made a mistake, please forgive.

 

[Meowzltov]

It depends who "it" is. If "it" is a devil or sympathizer of same, "it" says that God is evil.

I think a person needs to have one standard for what is moral. I can't go around saying, "It's immoral for a Hindu to do this, but okay for a Jew." I can't go around and say, "It's immoral for Satan to do this but okay for God."

 

[CoreyD]

Perhaps because he was a Jew, he loved his people, he loved his God, and he loved his religion? Perhaps because he didn't think all Jews were wayward?

Knowing Jesus' character, as pictured in the scriptures, favoritism, and sentimentality were estranged from him.
Psalm 72:12-14; Isaiah 11:2-5

BTW, I'm assuming I'm in the debate forum that allows for non-Christians. If I've made a mistake, please forgive.

From the first couple of posts after the OP, if anyone is not welcomed on this subforum, it would be me.
I probably wouldn't had known the answer to this before, but it's clear to me you are more than welcomed.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

I think a person needs to have one standard for what is moral. I can't go around saying, "It's immoral for a Hindu to do this, but okay for a Jew." I can't go around and say, "It's immoral for Satan to do this but okay for God."

Historically, many Jewish rabbis have taught that God placed so much of His righteousness into the Torah, that He spent all of His time studying Torah. This is merely the extreme variant of a 'moral', that is 'law-bound', God. But God is not bound. God is the only total and true sovereign, the only one who has "inalienable" life, and liberty, and the pursuit of that which makes Him happy. All others claiming true sovereignty, are the powers and principalities of this world, of whose input we are warned against in Holy Scripture.

 

[Meowzltov]

Knowing Jesus' character, as pictured in the scriptures, favoritism, and sentimentality were estranged from him.
Psalm 72:12-14; Isaiah 11:2-5

Favoritism? Are you saying that if I especially love my own husband and children, and hold them dear in a way that I don't extend to the nice man down the street, that this is favoritism? The Jewish people are mishpocha, my family. The Jewish people were the family of Jesus.

Sentimentality was estranged from him? So, he didn't really cry when his dear friend Lazarus died?

It seems to me that you are making Jesus into something less than human, if you cannot allow for him to feel what all normal humans feel.

 

[Larniavc]

When tears flowed.
And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Luke 19:41

Why the tears flowed.

For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side.
They will level you to the ground - you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”
Luke 19:43, 44

Why does Jesus weep at the scene he foresees, of wayward Jews being slayed, along with their children?
Jesus says, they brought it on themselves, yet, Jesus wept.... Literally shed tears, at the destruction these ones would suffered.
Why?

What does this tell us about God's feelings - his pain of heart over those who suffer... even wayward ones?

What does this have to do with Ethics and Morality?

And you know that image isn’t a photograph right. Someone painted that?

 

[Larniavc]

Yes. It also highlights the fact that God does not like nor enjoy seeing people suffer, no matter how indifferent they are.
God obviously loves people exceedingly, to the point where their pain hurts him.
I can just imagine what that would have meant when God flooded the earth.

Yet he lets it all happen. He even sets up the conditions for it all to happen. And he appears to do that with perfect knowledge of the consequences of his actions.

Which seems to contradict the suggestion that he is a loving god.

 

[Larniavc]

One liner...
God allows persons to exercise free will, and does not force anyone against their will.

How is the free will of a child not abrogated when they die lonely, painful deaths in war zones they are born into?

 

[Larniavc]

God has a remedy for suffering, which is not a snap of the finger magic portion,

Yes it is. God can do anything instantly perfectly. Can’t he?

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Yet he lets it all happen. He even sets up the conditions for it all to happen. And he appears to do that with perfect knowledge of the consequences of his actions.

Which seems to contradict the suggestion that he is a loving god.

God is a loving God -- but God is not an all-loving God, He is not a God who loves all perpetually and without exception. He says so Himself. In one well-documented instance, it were better for a certain man, that he had never been born.

 

[Larniavc]

In one well-documented instance, it were better for a certain man, that he had never been born.

Then why did God have him born?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes it is. God can do anything instantly perfectly. Can’t he?

We don't know that. We [i.e. all too many people today] assume it due to more historically laden philosophical musings rather than by any direct, empirical, or even revelatory exactitudes.

The problem is that human words have slippery denotations and connotations, particularly where religious and/or metaphysical language is being used.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Then why did God have him born?

... It is necessary for the Son of Man to be delivered up into the hands of sinful men, and to be crucified, and to rise again [on] the third day.”
Luke 24:7

 

[Larniavc]

... It is necessary for the Son of Man to be delivered up into the hands of sinful men, and to be crucified, and to rise again [on] the third day.”
Luke 24:7

Could it have been done without all that?