Geese/ducks are they kosher?

[visionary]

 

[visionary]

Most Jewish kosher certification authorities state that in order for a bird to be Scripturally clean and kosher, it must not be a bird of prey (predator) or a carrion eater (scavenger). They have ALSO determined that any bird not listed specifically as an unclean bird in Scripture is to be considered clean. Jewish rabbinical authorities have classified ducks, geese, and swans as clean birds, based on the fact that these birds are not birds of prey (predators) and that they are not carrion eaters (scavengers).

LEVITICUS 11:13-19 & DEUTERONOMY 14:12-18 (HSV): These you shall not eat: the eagle and the vulture, and the black vulture, and the red kite, and the falcon, and the buzzard after their kinds, and every raven after its kind, and the ostrich, and the nighthawk, and the seagull, and the hawk after their kinds, the little owl, and the great owl, and the white owl, and the pelican, and the carrion vulture, and the fisher owl, and the stork, and the heron after its kind, and the hoopoe, and the bat.

 

[visionary]

The characteristics and features of clean birds can be determined from the Scripturally known clean birds; namely the dove (turtledove), pigeon, and quail (Leviticus 1:14-17, 12:8, 14:22, 15:14-15; Psalm 105:40; Matthew 3:16, 21:12; Mark 1:10, 11:15; Luke 2:24, 3:22; John 1:32, 2:14-16).

The turtledove and pigeon are clean birds as they were used in sacrifices and only clean birds could be used for sacrifices (Leviticus 1:14-17, 12:8, 14:22, 15:14-15).

A dove (the Holy Spirit) descended upon Yeshua, illustrating that doves are clean birds (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32). Doves were sold along with oxen and sheep in the Israeli marketplace, further indicating that doves are clean birds (Matthew 21:12; Mark 11:15; John 2:14-16).

Quails are clean birds as the Lord provided them to the Hebrews for food after the Hebrew exodus from Egypt (Psalm 105:40)

 

[Lulav]

Hey Vis, where did the poster in the OP come from?

 

[visionary]

The reason why ducks, geese, and swans are unclean is because they lack some of the characteristics and features of clean birds – they do not have crops, they have different body structures than clean birds do, their body fat is intertwined with their flesh, and they have webbed feet.

1. BILLS
Ducks, geese, and swans have round-tipped bills. Their bills are used for efficient foraging. As waterfowl their diet includes algae, crawfish, frogs, sea plants, and small fish. Clean birds have beaks that are primarily used for eating grains, insects, and seeds.

2. THEY DO NOT HAVE CROPS
In a bird's digestive system, the crop is an expanded, muscular pouch near the gullet or throat. It is a part of the digestive tract, essentially an enlarged part of the esophagus. It is used to temporarily store and pre-digest food. Ducks, geese, and swans do not chew their food and swallow their food whole.

3. FAT CONTENT
Ducks, geese, and swans have a high concentration of body fat intertwined throughout their flesh that helps keep them afloat in water and warm in cold weather climates.

LEVITICUS 3:17 This shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall eat neither fat nor blood. Due to the dispersion of fat contained within the flesh of ducks, geese, and swans, it is not possible to eat their flesh without consuming their fat.

4. WATERFOWL CHARACTERISTICS
Ducks, geese, and swans float and glide upon water and they ‘waddle’ when they walk on land, as their legs are set on the sides and toward the rear of their body. They submerge themselves in water to search for and eat food. Clean birds are land-based birds, not waterfowl.

5. WEBBED FEET
Ducks, geese, and swans use their webbed feet as paddles for swimming and for diving when submerging in water to search for food. Clean birds do not have webbed feet. THE PELICAN AND SEAGULL – TYPES OF UNCLEAN WATERFOWL The pelican and the seagull are listed in Scripture among the unclean birds. The pelican and seagull possess webbed feet, as do ducks, geese, and swans. The pelican is a bird that glides upon the water and has a high percentage of body fat intertwined within its flesh to keep it buoyant in water, as do ducks, geese, and swans. The pelican is a similar kind of unclean bird just as ducks, geese, and swans should be.

 

[visionary]

Hey Vis, where did the poster in the OP come from?

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=65926df919cd0cf5ee7455de20813399&oe=5EEA4B12

 

[Lulav]

The Birds of the Bible, or, Solving the Mystery of Which of the Species are Kosher and Which are Not - OU Kosher Certification

 

[timewerx]

The reason why ducks, geese, and swans are unclean is because they lack some of the characteristics and features of clean birds – they do not have crops, they have different body structures than clean birds do, their body fat is intertwined with their flesh, and they have webbed feet.

1. BILLS
Ducks, geese, and swans have round-tipped bills. Their bills are used for efficient foraging. As waterfowl their diet includes algae, crawfish, frogs, sea plants, and small fish. Clean birds have beaks that are primarily used for eating grains, insects, and seeds.

2. THEY DO NOT HAVE CROPS
In a bird's digestive system, the crop is an expanded, muscular pouch near the gullet or throat. It is a part of the digestive tract, essentially an enlarged part of the esophagus. It is used to temporarily store and pre-digest food. Ducks, geese, and swans do not chew their food and swallow their food whole.

3. FAT CONTENT
Ducks, geese, and swans have a high concentration of body fat intertwined throughout their flesh that helps keep them afloat in water and warm in cold weather climates.

LEVITICUS 3:17 This shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall eat neither fat nor blood. Due to the dispersion of fat contained within the flesh of ducks, geese, and swans, it is not possible to eat their flesh without consuming their fat.

4. WATERFOWL CHARACTERISTICS
Ducks, geese, and swans float and glide upon water and they ‘waddle’ when they walk on land, as their legs are set on the sides and toward the rear of their body. They submerge themselves in water to search for and eat food. Clean birds are land-based birds, not waterfowl.

5. WEBBED FEET
Ducks, geese, and swans use their webbed feet as paddles for swimming and for diving when submerging in water to search for food. Clean birds do not have webbed feet. THE PELICAN AND SEAGULL – TYPES OF UNCLEAN WATERFOWL The pelican and the seagull are listed in Scripture among the unclean birds. The pelican and seagull possess webbed feet, as do ducks, geese, and swans. The pelican is a bird that glides upon the water and has a high percentage of body fat intertwined within its flesh to keep it buoyant in water, as do ducks, geese, and swans. The pelican is a similar kind of unclean bird just as ducks, geese, and swans should be.

What about a duck cake, is it Kosher? It has webbed feet, round-tipped bills and plenty of fat for sure!

 

[visionary]

The Birds of the Bible, or, Solving the Mystery of Which of the Species are Kosher and Which are Not - OU Kosher Certification

No mention of duck or goose..

 

[pinacled]

No mention of duck or goose..

True,
Yet a specific number of birds is mentioned that garner interest.

With how our Lord Yeshua taught.
From the heart determines a son or daughters cleansing.
Even so there is also instruction given about wings and feathers.
Perhaps a noble thought is likened to colors of feathers.
Water fowl have a specific diet and immense gift of covering in colorful plumes.

There is also the aspect of where they nest.

Quite the scenario of vulnerable that a son or daughter should consider.

Blessings Always

 

[HARK!]

Most Jewish kosher certification authorities state that in order for a bird to be Scripturally clean and kosher, it must not be a bird of prey (predator) or a carrion eater (scavenger).

By this standard I've wondered why chicken are considered kosher. I've seen them scavenge. They'll even eat cooked chicken. I've seen them kill and eat frogs and snakes. We had a old Cocker Spaniel that we moved into the chicken yard to give them protection. He got fleas and chewed a raw spot on his butt. We had to move him out if the chicken yard because the chickens kept pecking at his butt, until they would draw blood. The dog was too old and blind to defend himself.

We just had the chickens for pets, and for eggs; but watching how they operate, doesn't make them look very appetizing.

 

[visionary]

By this standard I've wondered why chicken are considered kosher. I've seen them scavenge. They'll even eat cooked chicken. I've seen them kill and eat frogs and snakes. We had a old Cocker Spaniel that we moved into the chicken yard to give them protection. He got fleas and chewed a raw spot on his butt. We had to move him out if the chicken yard because the chickens kept pecking at his butt, until they would draw blood. The dog was too old and blind to defend himself.

We just had the chickens for pets, and for eggs; but watching how they operate, doesn't make them look very appetizing.

Being on the farm feeding scraps to the chickens, I know they don't care about what meat it is, they will eat it. In fact, they fight over it like it is the prize.

 

[HARK!]

Being on the farm feeding scraps to the chickens, I know they don't care about what meat it is, they will eat it. In fact, they fight over it like it is the prize.

The naked necks remind me of buzzards.

 

[pinacled]

The naked necks remind me of buzzards.

By buzzard I imagine you meant Turkey vulture.

Buzzards are not carrion eaters.
They are a different class of birds of prey more likened to small hawks and falcons.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

---SE---

Diet is not complicated in the spiritual sense.

What needs work in each individual is study accordingly so that they will be able to stand firm.

For instance.
Oysters spoil very quickly.
So if a person lived a few days from the shore of a sea.
I and others should certainly avoid eating such if a traveler offered oyster.
Where as a live bird is pointedly obvious.

The terrain of Torah is a school of thought I suggest to many.

Blessings Always.

 

[HARK!]

By buzzard I imagine you meant Turkey vulture.

Buzzards are not carrion eaters.
They are a different class of birds of prey more likened to small hawks and falcons.

Blessings Always

Good to know. I've heard the word buzzard, used interchangeably with vulture, since childhood.

I've often wondered, "why the difference;" but I never took the time to investigate.

Well today was that day.

Thanks for the push.

 

[pinacled]

Good to know. I've heard the word buzzard, used interchangeably with vulture, since childhood.

I've often wondered, "why the difference;" but I never took the time to investigate.

Well today was that day.

Thanks for the push.

Accuracy in patience leads to further fruits and armor.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Question to all readers:
Of all the tribes blessed by their father.
Which tribe found oysters to be kosher according to inheritance of terrain?

Blessings Always

 

[visionary]

---SE---

California reports 100 ill in outbreak traced to raw oysters | Food Safety News

 

[HARK!]

---SE---

Oysters can contain harmful bacteria. Oysters are filter feeders, so will naturally concentrate anything present in the surrounding water. Oysters from the Gulf Coast of the United States, for example, contain high bacterial loads of human pathogens in the warm months, most notably Vibrio vulnificus and Vibrio parahaemolyticus. In these cases, the main danger is for immunocompromised individuals, who are unable to fight off infection and can succumb to sepsis, leading to death. Vibrio vulnificus is the most deadly seafood-borne pathogen.[58]

Oyster - Wikipedia

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

---SE---

What law do I not follow?