Does God Want Man to be God?

[Neostarwcc]

There is only one God and there only ever will be one God. Humanity wanting to be God is what got us in this mess of sin to begin with.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My thoughts are that Christ came to experience for us all that is humanly possible. Now he has had 2000 years to experience what is spiritual possibilities. When all is handed over to the Father then perhaps we could be god-like.

 

[chilehed]

So it is not remotely possible that for Paul to live is Christ?

Changing subjects, I see. No thanks.

 

[Jason J Marion]

Does God want man to be God?

My answer is yes but not in His Godhead. I mean there are attributes which God will not bestow upon His creatures.

He alone is an object of worship.
He alone is the Creator of universes.
Other noncommunicable attributes would probably be:

His omniscience.
His omnipotence.
His omipresents.
His alone becomming the Redeemer and Source of eternal redemption and eternal life.

There may be some more non-communicable attributes that someone else could mention.
But He created us in His image.
He created us according to His likeness.
He became a man.
And He became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45 )to impart Himself into us to conform us to His image (Romans 8:28,29).

Athanasius was on to something saying God became man so that man might become God.
That is, I believe he meant life, nature, expression, glory but not in the incommunicalbe attributes that are soley those of His Godhead.

Am I right?
" . . . we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him even as He is." (1 John 3:2).
It is not a power grab on our part. Rather it is something according to His purpose, His desire, His hearts pleasure and intention. (Eph. 1:5; Rom. 8:29)

We are SONS and daughters of God. We will NEVER be God. The last being that wanted to be worshiped as God had an epic fall and brought consequences to all of creation. God wants us to be Holy God-LIKE, but not God. This statement is arrogance at its highest level. Imo.

 

[Jason J Marion]

We are SONS and daughters of God. We will NEVER be God. The last being that wanted to be worshiped as God had an epic fall and brought consequences to all of creation. God wants us to be Holy God-LIKE, but not God. This statement is arrogance at its highest level. Imo.

If God wants us to BE God- than why not just save ourselves, why did He have to send Christ- if we have the capability to be God (per your question), then Christ suffered and died needlessly. (Christian mic drop)

 

[Samson2021]

Does God want man to be God?


There may be some more non-communicable attributes that someone else could mention.
But He created us in His image.
He created us according to His likeness.
He became a man.
And He became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45 )

Nothing in John's work, or in any of the deposit of the faith, indicates in any way that God intends for us to  be him, or that such a thing is even remotely possible.

If I could add a thing or two. Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie promised BEFORE the world began."

If I could add a thing or two. Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie promised before the world began."
1)Unto whom did He promise eternal life? The answer is in John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING there was the word, and the word was with God, and
the word was God."
The Greek word logos translated as "word" it also means "plan", "reason", "objective"
That is to say in the beginning God had a PLAN and that PLAN was to replicate Himself by the BIRTH of SONS who would be 99.99%
just like Him. These spirits that were with Him before the world began were a part of Him but incapable of self sustained life, He chose them
to be placed in the earthen vessels to learn good and evil which was accomplished at the fall of Adam and Eve, but made man like God in that
he now knows good and evil but does not have eternal life. This was promised to ALL of those spirits that occupy the earthen vessel, the only question is when does God let them ALL know this glorious truth. It will come in the different dispensation(S) of time. 1 Co 15:22 "For as in Adam
ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive." At the time a man/woman receives the faith necessary to believe in the finished work of the cross he/she receives the promise made before the world began "life eternal" by being born of the Spirit of God. But it is up to God to supply
the faith, and that happens as He sees fit as He works ALL things after the counsel of His own will. Eph 1:9
Ephesians 1:10 "That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIME(S) He might gather together ALL things in Christ..........." Gotta understand that
God will bring ALL spirits that came out from Him, back to Him through the anointing that occurs when the Spirit of Christ (son) is merged with the spirit that resides in the man/woman creating a NEW CREATURE that has never existed before, a NEW SON of the ONLY TRUE GOD, and a brother of JESUS our Lord. I don;t want to go too far with a first post but will end with Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one, JUDGEMENT CAME UPON ALL MEN to condemnation, even so BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE (JESUS) the FREE GIFT came UPON ALL MEN
UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE."

 

[Jonathan Lantin]

My input that if I may is that it is true He made us in His image in terms of character of goodness and emotions. God became man and thats Jesus His son born with Holy Spirit from the Father. With that said the spirit Adam and Eve were born with was not the same as Holy Spirit from God but a mere reflection as we are His children. If they were to have the same Spirit as God they wouldn't have be able to sin as the Holy Spirit is perfect. Not only that we are not worthy of being exactly like Him. Jesus made a point on how to live and to be like Him in character in order to be transformed in spirit through Him so we can be saved.

NOW with that said Jesus changed everything not only to save us from our sins but whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting life and will be given and new name and new body like Christ.

Only possible because it is done Through Him and what He did for Us. Originally it couldn’t be done so it was never meant for us to be Holy like Him.

In revelation it speaks of when we are raptured and the one thousand year reign on earth His chosen people will reign with Him and will be giving crowns on our heads which indicates we will be like Jesus, Like a God. I do agree what you said that were gonna be a God but only through Jesus Christ.

Basically I’m saying in the beginning of time when God made all creations we weren’t suppose to be a God.

 

[Jonaitis]

Does God want man to be God?

My answer is yes but not in His Godhead. I mean there are attributes which God will not bestow upon His creatures.

He alone is an object of worship.
He alone is the Creator of universes.
Other noncommunicable attributes would probably be:

His omniscience.
His omnipotence.
His omipresents.
His alone becomming the Redeemer and Source of eternal redemption and eternal life.

There may be some more non-communicable attributes that someone else could mention.
But He created us in His image.
He created us according to His likeness.
He became a man.
And He became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45 )to impart Himself into us to conform us to His image (Romans 8:28,29).

Athanasius was on to something saying God became man so that man might become God.
That is, I believe he meant life, nature, expression, glory but not in the incommunicalbe attributes that are soley those of His Godhead.

Am I right?
" . . . we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him even as He is." (1 John 3:2).
It is not a power grab on our part. Rather it is something according to His purpose, His desire, His hearts pleasure and intention. (Eph. 1:5; Rom. 8:29)

I agree with the eastern orthodox on the words of this statement:

“God became man so that man might become god”

Could someone tell me who originally said this? What was the original meaning for this? Is this theosis?

 

[PSUseagull]

Does God want man to be God?

My answer is yes but not in His Godhead. I mean there are attributes which God will not bestow upon His creatures.

He alone is an object of worship.
He alone is the Creator of universes.
Other noncommunicable attributes would probably be:

His omniscience.
His omnipotence.
His omipresents.
His alone becomming the Redeemer and Source of eternal redemption and eternal life.

There may be some more non-communicable attributes that someone else could mention.
But He created us in His image.
He created us according to His likeness.
He became a man.
And He became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45 )to impart Himself into us to conform us to His image (Romans 8:28,29).

Athanasius was on to something saying God became man so that man might become God.
That is, I believe he meant life, nature, expression, glory but not in the incommunicalbe attributes that are soley those of His Godhead.

Am I right?
" . . . we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him even as He is." (1 John 3:2).
It is not a power grab on our part. Rather it is something according to His purpose, His desire, His hearts pleasure and intention. (Eph. 1:5; Rom. 8:29)

This is an interesting question. The early Christians definitely believed so. They even had a phrase to sum up their belief : "God became man, so man might become god." Sadly, over the centuries theologians devalued this doctrine until by the time of the Reformers it was totally anathematized.

This provocative statement, “God became man that man might become God,” is from the church father Athanasius (ca 298–373), and was in his massively influential On the Incarnation. It is one of his best-known quotes.

 

[Kees Boer]

Does a husband want his wife to become a husband too?

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Isa. 44:6

 

[Samson2021]

Basically I’m saying in the beginning of time when God made all creations we weren’t suppose to be a God.

Then what was the purpose of the creation? God promised eternal life before the world began thus the creation was/is a tool for the experiencing
and involvement in good and evil. Both these originate from God and in order to be like God we must have the experience. The fall was
preplanned in the sense had it not happened then no need for reconciliation through Jesus Christ, not to mention that Jesus was foreordained
to be the sacrifice for ALL sin before the founding of the world. If the world had not been created yet how did God know that there would be sin
to forgive unless it is all His way of bringing many sons unto glory?

 

[Justin_Mary]

In our liturgy as the priest pours a drop of water into the wine he says, "By the mystery of this water and wine may we come to share in the Divintiy of Christ who humbled himself to share in our humanity."

Therefore it is not that God wants us to be God, but his plan that we participate in His being. He wants us to participate in his life, passion, death, & most importantly His resurrection. He wants us to participate in his Fatherhood, his truth, his holiness, his creation, mercy, his compassion, his joy, his worship, his incarnation, his Sonship, in all of the all.

 

[Samson2021]

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Does a husband want his wife to become a husband too?

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Isa. 44:6

When God said that, it was absolutely true. Even Jesus stated that His Father was the ONLY TRUE GOD, and that the unending life that He had been given was from the Father which is what made Him a God after resurrection and glorification, however, even Jesus can never be the ONE TRUE GOD, but a Son that has no limitations as He has also promised us, saying : "NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU"
And to add " I said Ye are GODS, and ALL of you are children of the Most High. The fulfillment of the "Ye are Gods" will only occur when
each New son of God is glorified. "Every man in his own order." 1 Co 15:23
"........whom He did predestinate.........those He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30

 

[oikonomia]

Try this on for size. . .

We share in Christ's own inheritance. . .in his glory and all of it, we are one with him and in him, which is in the Godhead.

I do not believe we share in His Godhead.
I do not believe we share Christs' Godhead as the Second of the Trinity.
The saved will never be objects worship, ominscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, uncreated, or creators of universes.

But His divine attributes which He expressed also in the human virtues of Jesus are our inheritance.
We are also God's inheritance. In that He inherits His sons, (sons and daughters if we include 2 Cor. 6:18) His children.
And He is our rich inheritance.
Sons means not male here, but having the same life.

There is a mutual inheriting.

"In whom [Christ] we were designated as an inheritance . . . "
(Eph. 1:11) - God designated these ones as His inheritance.

And we were chosen as by lot or assigned to mutually be His inheretance and we inherit God.
The Holy Spirit being the pledge of this inheritance assigned to the saved.

'" . . . sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise. Who is the pledge of our inheritance unto the redemption of the acquired possession, ..." (See Eph. 1:13,14)

This full salvation is a mutal inheriting.
The triune God inherits us.
We inherit the triune God.

This mutual inheriting of God possessing the saints and the saints possessing God must be the reason for which God created the universe.
It is strongly implied that He had this desire to have sons before He laid the foundation of the world.
This implies that it was FOR this reason He created all things and laid the foundation of the world.

"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love, Predestinating us onto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." (Eph. 1:4,5)

We know then why God created the iniverse.
He marked out a destiny beforehand that sons would inherit His life, holiness, and these sons would inherit the Father in Christ.
His life becomes ours to live in Christ Jesus.
And our lives become His to indwell abd dispense Himself into for a union, a blending, and interweaving (if you will) of God with man.,

 

[oikonomia]

In our liturgy as the priest pours a drop of water into the wine he says, "By the mystery of this water and wine may we come to share in the Divintiy of Christ who humbled himself to share in our humanity."

Therefore it is not that God wants us to be God, but his plan that we participate in His being. He wants us to participate in his life, passion, death, & most importantly His resurrection. He wants us to participate in his Fatherhood, his truth, his holiness, his creation, mercy, his compassion, his joy, his worship, his incarnation, his Sonship, in all of the all.

I would ask you to consider - how subjective to God is God's being?
How then subjective to YOU is YOUR being?

Again: How subjective to God is God's life?
Well, how subjective to YOU is YOUR life?

You say we are to participate in His being and in His life.
I would say His being and His life are very subjective to God Himself.

We were fallen and "alienated from the life of God." (Eph. 4:18).
That is not just estranged from knowing about God, or knowing God.
But being alienated from "the life of God" which God always intended to dispense into man.

Can we inherit His being Father?
I don't think so because the SOURCE of this life is ever the begetting Father - the Eternal and divine unique Father.

But see truly comminicable attributes He dispenses into these sons of God.
God ALONE is holy - "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorfiy Your name? For You alone are holy . . . " (Rev. 15:4a)

Yet this holiness He plans to dispense into His sons. He marked out beforehand that they too would be holy.
"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy . . . " (Eph. 1:4)

God ALONE has immortality.
" . . . the blessed and only Sovereign will show, the King of those who reign as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, Who ALONE has immortality . . . " (1 Timothy 6:15,16)

Though He the uniques Source of immortality His savlation plans that we mortal would be "swallowed up" in eternal life.
We desire "to be clothed upon, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life." (2 Cor. 5:4)

God as life is springing up from within.
God as life is to clothed upon so as to swallow up the mortal man.

He says that we will be a son to Him.
It is not that we will be the Father along with Him.
But being BEGOTTEN of the Father and PERFECTED into one we are forever His sons.

"He who overcomes will injerit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:7)

What a great salvation!
No wonder the Son would not want to "abide alone" (John 12:24) but fall into the ground and die like a planted grain, for multiplication, duplication, and mass production.

 

[Kent M]

Does God want man to be God?

My answer is yes but not in His Godhead. I mean there are attributes which God will not bestow upon His creatures.

He alone is an object of worship.
He alone is the Creator of universes.
Other noncommunicable attributes would probably be:

His omniscience.
His omnipotence.
His omipresents.
His alone becomming the Redeemer and Source of eternal redemption and eternal life.

There may be some more non-communicable attributes that someone else could mention.
But He created us in His image.
He created us according to His likeness.
He became a man.
And He became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45 )to impart Himself into us to conform us to His image (Romans 8:28,29).

Athanasius was on to something saying God became man so that man might become God.
That is, I believe he meant life, nature, expression, glory but not in the incommunicalbe attributes that are soley those of His Godhead.

Am I right?
" . . . we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him even as He is." (1 John 3:2).
It is not a power grab on our part. Rather it is something according to His purpose, His desire, His hearts pleasure and intention. (Eph. 1:5; Rom. 8:29)

Sounds right to me. You mentioned that we are created in the image and likeness of God. So I can only conclude that abortion is a Satanic attack upon the sinless image and likeness of God in the womb.

 

[oikonomia]

God is Love.
We are to obtain this Love and grow this Love with use, so in that way we become like God.

Please tell me a bit more about this.

I have been musing over First Corinthians 13 which says without love we are nothing.
Though we understand all mysteries,
Though we have faith to move mountains,
Though we understand all knowledge,
Though we give all away and even our own bodies,

If we have not love, it means nothing.

Would you like to hear a song I wrote on First Cor. 13.
Here and do share more about this love of God.

 

[Jason J Marion]

How do you think we are 99.99% like God. The arrogance on this site is astounding. Have you ever created life before? No. Do you have perfect unconditional love? No.
Maybe we are 0.000000000000000001% like God. And that’s being GENEROUS. Can’t believe the arrogance of my brothers and sisters on this site. It’s dumbfounding. Just like your ‘intellectual’ responses.

 

[Jason J Marion]

How do you think we are 99.99% like God. The arrogance on this site is astounding. Have you ever created life before? No. Do you have perfect unconditional love? No.
Maybe we are 0.000000000000000001% like God. And that’s being GENEROUS. Can’t believe the arrogance of my brothers and sisters on this site. It’s dumbfounding. Just like your ‘intellectual’ responses.

 

[Jonaitis]

This is an interesting question. The early Christians definitely believed so. They even had a phrase to sum up their belief : "God became man, so man might become god." Sadly, over the centuries theologians devalued this doctrine until by the time of the Reformers it was totally anathematized.

This provocative statement, “God became man that man might become God,” is from the church father Athanasius (ca 298–373), and was in his massively influential On the Incarnation. It is one of his best-known quotes.

Hey, that's right, the quote was from Athanasius.