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Did Adam and Eve go to heaven or hell?
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mslpanthers12 said:
I have often wondered that myself. I know people may get tired of hearing this, but only God knows.
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mslpanthers12 said:
I would think that they went to heaven. After being tossed out of the garden, They had ample time to humble themselves and repent and ask forgiveness.
They knew they had done wrong and were truly sorry.
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Greetings Mslpanthers,
God slew an animal (probably a lamb) to provide a "covering" for Adam and Eve. This is a "type" of the covering a Christian has by the shed blood of the Lamb. Abel knew to provide a "blood" sacrifice" for his sins, where do you think he learned that? It would appear then that Adam and Eve probably learned through the fall to become obedient to the Lord which it seems they did. So though they may have been confined to "Abraham's bosom" until Christ, I feel certain that they are now in heaven. "Where sin abounds, grace abounds even more".
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Dad Ernie
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CFoxDWH said:
That proves it then.
As far as Scripture goes, we have no hard evidence one way or the other. Some suggest that since Adam called his wife Eve ("mother of life") be believed the promise about the Seed of the Woman crushing the Seed of the Serpent. But it wasn't until the time of Enosh in Genesis 4:26 that "men began to call on the name of the Lord".
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I'm not sure whether Adam and Eve went to paradise when they died, but here's a scripture I found ...
1 Peter 3:18-20 says "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago"
So even if Adam and Eve went to 'prison' after they died, they would have had an opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus. Hopefully they did. If so, we'll see them in Heaven!!
1 Peter 3:18-20 says "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago"
So even if Adam and Eve went to 'prison' after they died, they would have had an opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus. Hopefully they did. If so, we'll see them in Heaven!!
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Howdy mslpanthers12,
Genesis 3:19 (KJV): "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
God does not say dust is thy body and immortal is thy soul, and unto dust shall your body go, but your immortal soul, the real you, your consciousness, will go to heaven or hell. God says "dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return". Adam and Eve were excluded from the garden so that they would not eat the tree of life and live for ever Genesis 3:22-24.
Immortal soul or immaterial spirit teaching is similar to the teaching of the serpent in a modern dress. These theories came from Greek philosophy, not from the Bible which teaches mortality and conditional resurrection to everlasting life when Christ returns.
The two alternatives taught in the Bible are perishing or everlasting life:
John 3:14-16 (KJV): "14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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Trevor
Greetings. We have no proof either way if Adam and Eve will be saved, but we hope they did respond to God's teaching and mercy. Despite popular opinion, the question you ask though is contrary to the teaching of Genesis 3. The sentence upon Adam for disobedience wasmslpanthers12 said:
Genesis 3:19 (KJV): "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
God does not say dust is thy body and immortal is thy soul, and unto dust shall your body go, but your immortal soul, the real you, your consciousness, will go to heaven or hell. God says "dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return". Adam and Eve were excluded from the garden so that they would not eat the tree of life and live for ever Genesis 3:22-24.
Immortal soul or immaterial spirit teaching is similar to the teaching of the serpent in a modern dress. These theories came from Greek philosophy, not from the Bible which teaches mortality and conditional resurrection to everlasting life when Christ returns.
The two alternatives taught in the Bible are perishing or everlasting life:
John 3:14-16 (KJV): "14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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Trevor
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TrevorL said:
How can the question be contrary to Genesis 3?
TrevorL, are you saying there is no heaven or hell?
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Howdy StAnselm,
The OT word for hell is sheol. This Hebrew word is translated in the KJV: hell 31 times, grave 31 times and pit 3 times. The first occurence is clearly speaking of the grave:
Genesis 37:35 (KJV): "And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him."
None of the passages in the OT can be understood in accordance with the concept of a place of punishment and torment of immortal souls by fire. Some modern translations, RSV, JB, NASB do not translate the Hebrew word, but simply supply "Sheol". Perhaps these translators are not willing to overthrow popular opinion, despite the obvious lack of OT support.
The NT word for hell is gehenna, a word alluding to the rubbish heap at Jerusalem where worm and fire destroyed the rubbish. This does not speak of tormenting of an immortal soul with fire, but the destruction of soul and body:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV): "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Heaven is not the promised reward of the faithful, but resurrection to everlasting life upon the earth:
Genesis 13:14-15 (KJV): "14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."
Galatians 3:16 (KJV): "16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:26-29 (KJV): "26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Psalm 37:10-11 (KJV): "10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Matthew 5:5 (KJV): "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."
A clear example of the Apostolic teaching can be seen in Peter's address. The question you could attempt to answer is: Where is David now? Here is Peter's answer on the day of Pentecost:
Acts 2:29,34 (KJV): "29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
"34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:"
Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV): "39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (KJV): "20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming."
If David is dead, and not in heaven, the question "Did Adam and Eve go to heaven or hell? " is contrary to Genesis 3 and contrary to Apostolic teaching.
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Trevor
Greetings. The question reflects "popular opinion" and uses terms that assumes that the reward of the faithful is to be with God in heaven (perhaps at the moment of death as is taught today at most funeral services) and the punishment of the wicked is to be tormented with fire in hell. The OT does not use these terms. The punishment of the wicked is shown in the OT to be death, and the reward of the faithful is shown to be resurrection and everlasting life upon the earth. This is a large subject and a bit off topic, but some scriptures and thoughts to answer your question.StAnselm said:
The OT word for hell is sheol. This Hebrew word is translated in the KJV: hell 31 times, grave 31 times and pit 3 times. The first occurence is clearly speaking of the grave:
Genesis 37:35 (KJV): "And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him."
None of the passages in the OT can be understood in accordance with the concept of a place of punishment and torment of immortal souls by fire. Some modern translations, RSV, JB, NASB do not translate the Hebrew word, but simply supply "Sheol". Perhaps these translators are not willing to overthrow popular opinion, despite the obvious lack of OT support.
The NT word for hell is gehenna, a word alluding to the rubbish heap at Jerusalem where worm and fire destroyed the rubbish. This does not speak of tormenting of an immortal soul with fire, but the destruction of soul and body:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV): "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Heaven is not the promised reward of the faithful, but resurrection to everlasting life upon the earth:
Genesis 13:14-15 (KJV): "14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."
Galatians 3:16 (KJV): "16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:26-29 (KJV): "26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Psalm 37:10-11 (KJV): "10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Matthew 5:5 (KJV): "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."
A clear example of the Apostolic teaching can be seen in Peter's address. The question you could attempt to answer is: Where is David now? Here is Peter's answer on the day of Pentecost:
Acts 2:29,34 (KJV): "29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
"34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:"
Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV): "39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (KJV): "20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming."
If David is dead, and not in heaven, the question "Did Adam and Eve go to heaven or hell? " is contrary to Genesis 3 and contrary to Apostolic teaching.
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Trevor
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Dear Trevor,
Your lack of knowledge in Greek and Hebrew is showing. What is referred to in the OT as the grave is Shoel or Hades in Greek. It is the 'place' where humans in spirit form reside awaiting the day of the Resurection. There is a form of consiousness there, otherwise there would have been no need for Jesus to have decended there to Preach to them while He was in the tomb on that Sabbath. Adam and Eve were freed that day from the 'prison' part of Hades, but we do not know that the are now in Heaven, though they are most certainly in the prescence of God. Jesus alluded to a place called 'Paradise' or 'Abrahams bosum', and no, it was NOT just a parable, but a story about that specific place.
All folks who die go to Hades to await the Resurection and the Judgement, though while they are there, they get a 'taste' of Heaven or Hell, depending on how they lived their lives and whether or not they accepted God's gift or rejected it. They expeience God's 'Light' as either a comfort or a torment.
There ARE some people in Heaven, like Moses and Elijah, but that is all we can be certain of.
Kolya
Your lack of knowledge in Greek and Hebrew is showing. What is referred to in the OT as the grave is Shoel or Hades in Greek. It is the 'place' where humans in spirit form reside awaiting the day of the Resurection. There is a form of consiousness there, otherwise there would have been no need for Jesus to have decended there to Preach to them while He was in the tomb on that Sabbath. Adam and Eve were freed that day from the 'prison' part of Hades, but we do not know that the are now in Heaven, though they are most certainly in the prescence of God. Jesus alluded to a place called 'Paradise' or 'Abrahams bosum', and no, it was NOT just a parable, but a story about that specific place.
All folks who die go to Hades to await the Resurection and the Judgement, though while they are there, they get a 'taste' of Heaven or Hell, depending on how they lived their lives and whether or not they accepted God's gift or rejected it. They expeience God's 'Light' as either a comfort or a torment.
There ARE some people in Heaven, like Moses and Elijah, but that is all we can be certain of.
Kolya
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heaven as they both were in conextion with god and both will have sed ask for forgivness
but at the end of the the day somthings onli god knows
but at the end of the the day somthings onli god knows
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Howdy Kolya,
Psalm 6:5 (KJV): "For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"
What is your understanding of "sleep in the dust of the earth" ?
Daniel 12:2 (KJV): "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
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Trevor
Greetings again. Without answering all the ideas that you raise, how do you understand the Psalmists view of the grave or Sheol ?Kolya said:
Psalm 6:5 (KJV): "For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"
What is your understanding of "sleep in the dust of the earth" ?
Daniel 12:2 (KJV): "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Kind regards,
Trevor
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Howdy linssue55,
Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV): "22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
The Bible does not reveal if Adam and Eve believed the gospel and were thus saved and received forgiveness. We all hope that they did.
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The message of Genesis is that sinners are excluded from Paradise, or the Garden of Eden, and that sinners do not live for ever.linssue55 said:
Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV): "22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
The Bible does not reveal if Adam and Eve believed the gospel and were thus saved and received forgiveness. We all hope that they did.
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Trevor
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By looking at the innitial question, it's easy to wonder, because nowhere in the Bible are the direct scriptures to indicate their current status, and everything can only be mere speculation. But we can use known facts to determine the answer: We know that God punishes sin and that He's a God of LOVE (love beyond our understanding). Now, being a God of love, why would He prolong His punishment by sending them to hell? They were after-all already punished when God banished them from the Garden of Eden.
The idea of God's punishment, is so that we can learn from our mistakes and know what we have done wrong. I'm sure Adam and Eve got the just of it, when God "found" them after they ate the forbidden fruit...
The idea of God's punishment, is so that we can learn from our mistakes and know what we have done wrong. I'm sure Adam and Eve got the just of it, when God "found" them after they ate the forbidden fruit...
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