Can a couple marry themselves under God?

[WilliamB]

Fornication | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Cleary states there that forincation is sex before marriage.

That's what alot of people believe but the truth is, the definition of pornea has continued to change over time, due to the "church" demonizing sex. Let me dig through some of my papers and I'll show you the totality of definitions for fornication. Just as in Revelation, fornication is used to describe turning away from God and worshipping idols.

Because of this truth, I actually don't believe that Jesus is allowing us to divorce our wives for anything sexual. Because anything sexual with someone else in a marriage is not fornication but adultery. I actually believe Jesus was saying that we can't divorce our wives unless they turn from God and worship other gods. Why? Because our hearts were hard and we fail to operate in forgiveness so we say we can divorce for cheating but I don't believe we can. We are to forgive as Christ forgives us. But we don't want to do that, do we? We wanna be mad and unforgiving.

 

[NR90]

Hold on. I just realized something. John 4:17-18 NIV

"I have no husband," she replied.
Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

Jesus didn't say "Yupp you have 6 husbands now." But yet she was sleeping with this sixth man but this man is not her husband still. Sorry, done with this conversation since this verse alone proves you wrong

 

[WilliamB]

Hold on. I just realized something. John 4:17-18 NIV

"I have no husband," she replied.
Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

Jesus didn't say "Yupp you have 6 husbands now." But yet she was sleeping with this sixth man but this man is not her husband still. Sorry, done with this conversation since this verse alone proves you wrong

Obviously you missed my whole conversation on the woman at the well and your getting frustrated so I agree. Let's end the conversation. But the truth will be waiting for you, nonetheless.

God Bless you and your new wife! I pray God blesses you with a long and happy marriage that is inspiring to our young people, so they have something to look up to and believe in.

 

[NR90]

I wasn't mad. But does anyone else want to offer their opinion?

 

[ajunkyarddog]

How does a couple get married under God only?
Like let's say and man and his girlfriend were the only ones left on Earth and they wanted to get married. How would they go by doing that?
When I view marriages, I always see someone say "I now pronouce you husband and wife."
Like if a man and his girlfriend were alone in a room and wanted to get married right then and there. So they write down there vows and pronouce their love for each other and say "As God as my witness, I am your husband from this day fourth."
If you understand this question, can you help me out?
Best I can explain it.

My "boyfriend" and I actually did that. I don't know what is official, but we held hands and prayed together about 6 years ago. We made a commitment to each other before God.
It is in our hearts, just not on paper.

 

[NR90]

You did what my topic was about or had sexual intercourse to be married?

 

[ajunkyarddog]

You did what my topic was about or had sexual intercourse to be married?

What I just explained is what I did. I have been with this guy for 7 years, but we are not married in the eyes of the state. And yes, we have sex. I did save myself for "marriage".

 

[NR90]

Im glad you saved yourself. What I meant to say was that some people in this thread believe that by having sex you are marrying yourself.

 

[ajunkyarddog]

Im glad you saved yourself. What I meant to say was that some people in this thread believe that by having sex you are marrying yourself.

I can not say for sure if that is the case. You have sinned, surely. At this point, I assume all those you have slept with have gone on to sleep with someone else?
I really think that casual sex is one of the most harmful things in society. That being said I saved myself, but my boyfriend did not. He is high above your number.
So I would not worry too much about the semantics at this point. Just learn from it. Know it was bad. Do not try to justify it.
We are all sinners.

 

[Kaitlin08]

They can commit to be together, but marriage needs witnesses.

 

[WilliamB]

They can commit to be together, but marriage needs witnesses.

Do you have any scriptures to back up this claim?

 

[janny108]

Just going around having sex does not make them your spouse. If that's the case then there's no such thing as pre material sex when the bible cleary states pre material sex is a sin.

Yeah that just means you are not committed to that person if you just want sex and not marriage. My sister said once because she was living with her boyfriend(they were in their 30's) that she was "married in her heart" because she was living with him, having sex with him. No way.

 

[Kaitlin08]

Do you have any scriptures to back up this claim?

I have a dictionary. I also have 45 states that don't recognize gay marriage, because marriage needs witnesses.

 

[Kaitlin08]

Yeah that just means you are not committed to that person if you just want sex and not marriage. My sister said once because she was living with her boyfriend(they were in their 30's) that she was "married in her heart" because she was living with him, having sex with him. No way.

What you're describing seems like a casual hook-up; if a person offered to have sex one time, that's called a one night stand. If a couple makes a promise, that's commitment, but it's not yet marriage.

 

[WilliamB]

I have a dictionary. I also have 45 states that don't recognize gay marriage, because marriage needs witnesses.

The current conversation is not about marriage in the eyes of the states. It's about marriage in the eyes of God. If you don't have any scriptures to back that up, it's really just your opinion.

I'm not attacking, if I'm wrong based on the Word of God, then I want to know about it. Based on my understanding of the Word, homosexuals can't be married in the eyes of God as they can not join flesh as is it's designed. There is no hatred in me toward homosexuals whatsoever, however I don't have any biblical facts to support any other position, as it relates to homosexuals being married in the eyes of God. I honestly wish I could find it so that maybe the hatred would stop but as of now, I don't have it.

 

[NR90]

William, its also just your opinion. The scriptures you use can be seen in a different way.

JunkyardDog, thank you, that was nice. I'm guessing your husband changed his ways also? I can't imagine how he felt if he has slept with more than me. Because it still haunts me.

 

[Kaitlin08]

The current conversation is not about marriage in the eyes of the states. It's about marriage in the eyes of God. If you don't have any scriptures to back that up, it's really just your opinion.

I'm not attacking, if I'm wrong based on the Word of God, then I want to know about it. Based on my understanding of the Word, homosexuals can't be married in the eyes of God as they can not join flesh as is it's designed. There is no hatred in me toward homosexuals whatsoever, however I don't have any biblical facts to support any other position, as it relates to homosexuals being married in the eyes of God.

The body isn't "designed" to have oral sex, but a lot of Christian men have that with their wives. They have it without a second thought, because the alternative is to think that only vaginal sex is morally good; if they actually believed what they said about design, they would only have vaginal sex. Strictly speaking, breasts are there for the baby to feed from. I hope you don't play with your wife's breasts in bed; that would be a sin. They're not there for you to enjoy, because they're not designed for you.

Whether you hate gay people isn't for me to decide; I'm sure everyone in your life is well aware that you do or that you don't.

 

[WilliamB]

William, its also just your opinion. The scriptures you use can be seen in a different way.

JunkyardDog, thank you, that was nice. I'm guessing your husband changed his ways also? I can't imagine how he felt if he has slept with more than me. Because it still haunts me.

I've given you tons of scripture as evidence but I'm not sure if you actually reading it or just skimming and rejecting it because it doesn't line up with your view point. You can just read the book of Genesis and see the number of marriages entered into through just sex. It is what it is.

Still, you haven't been able to answer even one of my questions, especially the one on fornication. But here, I'll post it again and maybe someone can answer it.

Your belief is that fornication equals sex before marriage, right? So read the passage and answer the question.

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Now maybe you can explain this to me if your definition of fornication is correct. How can a woman be married and then have sex before marriage?

Anyone??

 

[NR90]

William that doesn't make sense because once I have sex with someone else, then i'm married to them. It's a self defeating argument. Your argument completely rids adultery if the last person I slept with was my wife.

Also what verse is that? All you're putting is 32:

 

[ajunkyarddog]

William, its also just your opinion. The scriptures you use can be seen in a different way.

JunkyardDog, thank you, that was nice. I'm guessing your husband changed his ways also? I can't imagine how he felt if he has slept with more than me. Because it still haunts me.

Yes, he was a much different person by the time I met him. I could not hold it against him.
Yeah, we all have those things we regret. It's a bigger deal then society sometimes make it seem, yes?
The most toxic thing about the amount of "pre-marital sex" or whatever we are calling it in this thread is, in my eyes, the justification people are having with it to deal with it being a sin. People have shame but no one wants to admit to doing something "wrong". So that convince themselves it's an OK thing to do.
I sort of knew in advance that I would want to be with just one person, so I had no interest in sex until I found "the one". Things worked out for me, thankfully, and that became a reality. It did not happen like that with any of my friends. Not one. 1 friend only had sex with one person but she did think he was the one. He ended up being a really awful boyfriend and cheated on her along with many other things and they broke up. It haunted her because it was something very important to her. But she acknowledges what it was, and she searched for her real perfect guy. She prayed and he seems to have come. Yessssss! Actually that same scenario also happened to my other Christian friend.

All my other friends at this time are not Christians (ugh) and they are all having lots of issues with relationships. It's like they only have interest in what will feel good right then (which is normal), and they have no respect for the person they may one day meet and marry.
Then again there are a lot of things they are having difficulty with regarding matters of the heart because they do not have the faith.

My own post makes me feel both hopeful and depressed. haha