Breaking news: Jentezen Franklin miracle in progress

[geetrue]

This is the biggest news I've heard on TBN in years. Just a few minutes ago Pastor Jentezen Franklin, as the host on TBN tonight, announced that he will be the pastor of a new church in Irvine, California.

He's the pastor now of a large church in Georgia that he just finished building a couple of years ago.

He said that he was going to pastor at both churches.
He said that he was going to pack his family up and his ministry team and fly out to California every saturday night.
He said that the Lord had just provided a 18,000 sq ft building in Irvine for the new church.
He said 300 people showed up for the first service and they didn't even announce the service.

The church is called Free Chapel Orange County.

This is big news to me and a forward thrust for the body of Christ. I hope and pray that he can handle it.

The Lord is moving so visable we can see Him.

 

[LogonLalein]

How can he pastor a church long distance?
I am confused... or maybe we do not share the definition of what a pastor does.

 

[knownbeforetime]

Pastoring two churches? Wow, that is some responsibility. I don't know if it's possible for one man. But if this is God's project and not Franklin's own, then go for it.

300 people for an unadvertised church service is amazing! Only God could do that!

 

[NewSong]

I'm glad he isn't my pastor. I tend to like small congregations and to see my pastor's face at the socials we have for fellowship.

 

[Deba]

Last year at the Hillsong Convention. I heard of Jentzen Franklin for the first time. Probably one of the most gifted preachers of our day, IMO. How he lives his life I don't know. But the man can preach. Perhaps God is providing gifted adminstrative and nurturing men and women to work along side him to free him to preach more.

 

[lyonguard]

Creflo Dollar pastors two churches at the same time. He has his regular one and then a smaller one in New York. The NY church sees him on a TV monitor while the service is going on. I guess it is handled the same way an overflow service would be handled where they set up monitors outside a service so you can see what is going on inside.

 

[simpleone]

Creflo Dollar pastors two churches at the same time. He has his regular one and then a smaller one in New York. The NY church sees him on a TV monitor while the service is going on. I guess it is handled the same way an overflow service would be handled where they set up monitors outside a service so you can see what is going on inside.

Interesting...never knew that before....for me - I would prefer if the pastor/service was in the same room.....as it is watch enough "overflow pastors" on my little tv already
So people go to the NY church and just watch the screen?

 

[JimB]

This is the biggest news I've heard on TBN in years. Just a few minutes ago Pastor Jentezen Franklin, as the host on TBN tonight, announced that he will be the pastor of a new church in Irvine, California.

He's the pastor now of a large church in Georgia that he just finished building a couple of years ago.

He said that he was going to pastor at both churches.
He said that he was going to pack his family up and his ministry team and fly out to California every saturday night.
He said that the Lord had just provided a 18,000 sq ft building in Irvine for the new church.
He said 300 people showed up for the first service and they didn't even announce the service.

The church is called Free Chapel Orange County.

This is big news to me and a forward thrust for the body of Christ. I hope and pray that he can handle it.

The Lord is moving so visable we can see Him.

This is great. My only problem is in the fact that it is impossible to “pastor” two churches on two coasts, 2,000 miles apart, at the same time. He may preach in two locations and even manage a religious organization in two places but he cannot be a pastor to all those people. I also find it incredulous that 300 people just showed up for a meeting that was unannounced. But I guess I’ll just have to take someone’s word for it.

I suppose there is a place in our society for megachurches but it seems to me that it would be in the best interest of the Kingdom for these monster mega-machines to plant smaller autonomous churches than to grow just for the sake of growth (that is what cancer cells do).

Perhaps planting a separate autonomous church is what Jentzen has in mind. I hope so. If it happens I will then be impressed. Time will tell. But it already has the sound of just another TV celebrity doing celebrity evangelism.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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[JimB]

Creflo Dollar pastors two churches at the same time. He has his regular one and then a smaller one in New York. The NY church sees him on a TV monitor while the service is going on. I guess it is handled the same way an overflow service would be handled where they set up monitors outside a service so you can see what is going on inside.

I am not a follower of Creflo $, but I have to wonder why $ doesn’t just cut the NY church loose and appoint a pastor over them and let them be the body of Christ and Christ, not Creflo on a monitor, be their head?

Now, having said that, there may be legitimate reasons for not doing it. That is their business, not mine. But I would not attend a fellowship, no matter how large or seemingly successful, where my only contact with the “pastor” was watching him on a screen. I can do that in my den in my underwear with a bag of potato chips and a Budweiser.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

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[lyonguard]

Interesting...never knew that before....for me - I would prefer if the pastor/service was in the same room.....as it is watch enough "overflow pastors" on my little tv already
So people go to the NY church and just watch the screen?

That was my understanding because on one of his programs he was talking about finding a way for it to appear that he was in both places at the same time. He said he was working on it with one of the people in his congregation and that they actually had a plan. Sounded strange to me. Like the holograms from Star Trek.

I just checked their website and it looks like their NY services are now on Saturday so they may have changed, but they both hold Wed night services so maybe that was what he was talking about.

 

[simpleone]

That was my understanding because on one of his programs he was talking about finding a way for it to appear that he was in both places at the same time. He said he was working on it with one of the people in his congregation and that they actually had a plan. Sounded strange to me. Like the holograms from Star Trek.

I just checked their website and it looks like their NY services are now on Saturday so they may have changed, but they both hold Wed night services so maybe that was what he was talking about.

Wow...that does sound a little strange yet interesting. Am sure it can't just be people coming in to watch the screen like a movie theatre ...or is it ...anyway as long as people are fed what they need its all good i suppose.
IMO - stressing his presence in 2 places at the same time - puts a lot of attention on him....but thats just my opinion...which doesn't matter if God's opinion is different

 

[JimB]

Wow...that does sound a little strange yet interesting. Am sure it can't just be people coming in to watch the screen like a movie theatre ...or is it ...anyway as long as people are fed what they need its all good i suppose.
IMO - stressing his presence in 2 places at the same time - puts a lot of attention on him....but thats just my opinion...which doesn't matter if God's opinion is different

“Feeding” people means more than just having a celebrity preach at them. Feeding people means caring for them, holding their hand while they weep, listening to them when they complain, answering their questions, knowing their name, loving their children, going to court with them, visiting them in the hospital, waking up at 2:00 a.m. to go to an emergency ward, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. …

This is called "pastoring". It is nurturing the flock of God, personally, not by remote control.

So, for whatever reason people will get up on a Sunday, dress their family and drive to a rented auditorium to watch a man preach at them on a monitor screen is beyond me. But to say they are being “fed” is even further beyond me than that.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

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[JimB]

Oh, now I know who Jentzen Franklin is (I did a web search). I really like his funky pimp-looking suits although I would not be caught dead in one of them.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

 

[Hisgirl]

“Feeding” people means more than just having a celebrity preach at them. Feeding people means caring for them, holding their hand while they weep, listening to them when they complain, answering their questions, knowing their name, loving their children, going to court with them, visiting them in the hospital, waking up at 2:00 a.m. to go to an emergency ward, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. …

This is called "pastoring". It is nurturing the flock of God, personally, not by remote control.

So, for whatever reason people will get up on a Sunday, dress their family and drive to a rented auditorium to watch a man preach at them on a monitor screen is beyond me. But to say they are being “fed” is even further beyond me than that.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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Interesting point, Jim. (not sure why you include a 'rented auditorium' in your list...most churches rent nowadays or at least have a mortgage)

God manages to feed many through books and teaching CDs. I've gain tremendous knowledge through the teachings of Bill Johnson, R.T. Kendall, Jack Frost, Beth Moore, Kris Valloton, John Wimbur, and many others. And not one has held my hand, visited me in the hospital or come to my home.

In fact, practically every good church I've attended recently, the visiting, ministering and hand-holding came from the equipped people of the congregation.

Andy Stanley (Charles Stanley's son) has opened satellite churches all over the Atlanta area and hundreds upon hundred attend. God manages to use the word given and the elders and leaders to nurture the congregation....but their main focus isn't what they're eating themselves...but what they can feed to those outside the church walls.

If Jentzen Franklin has found a way to share the word of God to more folks...then my hat is off to him and I say "God bless him."

 

[blackbyrd]

Jim, I completley agree with you. as a minister my call is to show people God's love while spreading the gospel through word. it is nigh impossible to minister to peoples needs if you 1. dont know them because your church is too big, 2. the service has been reduced to excerpts from TbN night... I am not knocking $$$ for this but I couldnt do it.

 

[JimB]

Interesting point, Jim. (not sure why you include a 'rented auditorium' in your list...most churches rent nowadays or at least have a mortgage)

God manages to feed many through books and teaching CDs. I've gain tremendous knowledge through the teachings of Bill Johnson, R.T. Kendall, Jack Frost, Beth Moore, Kris Valloton, John Wimbur, and many others. And not one has held my hand, visited me in the hospital or come to my home.

In fact, practically every good church I've attended recently, the visiting, ministering and hand-holding came from the equipped people of the congregation.

Andy Stanley (Charles Stanley's son) has opened satellite churches all over the Atlanta area and hundreds upon hundred attend. God manages to use the word given and the elders and leaders to nurture the congregation....but their main focus isn't what they're eating themselves...but what they can feed to those outside the church walls.

If Jentzen Franklin has found a way to share the word of God to more folks...then my hat is off to him and I say "God bless him."

But there is in the “satellite church” model a one-man-controls-all formula. It does not trust others to do as effectively what you feel you can do. In a sense it is a control issue if not one of spiritual pride.

In reading the books of Acts, it seems that Paul would go into an area for a few weeks/months, preach the gospel, gather a congregation, establish a church, appoint leaders and move on to do it all over again. He only provided support through his epistles when they brought problems and questions to him but he left the churches to be autonomous bodies of Christ. It’s a formula that works. Satellite churches are the creation of men in an age of satellites and telecasting that allows one man to build a broader empire.

I still prefer the NT way of spreading the Gospel, as archaic as it may seem.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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[Christina M]

I've never viewed a pastor as being my hand-holder.

Pastors should spend their time in the Word, soaking up, hearing from God the message God wants His people to hear.

Pastoral staff / lay ministers should be the ones who do the hand-holding, and whatever else is needed, in order to keep the pastor free to get the message.

If a pastor spends all his time in courtrooms, jails, hospitals and dinner parties, I don't think he could ever reach very many people. One person cannot possibly do much..... but a whole body of people can.


More power to Jentezen Franklin - for taking the message God has given him to more people!

 

[JimB]

Jim, I completley agree with you. as a minister my call is to show people God's love while spreading the gospel through word. it is nigh impossible to minister to peoples needs if you 1. dont know them because your church is too big, 2. the service has been reduced to excerpts from TbN night... I am not knocking $$$ for this but I couldnt do it.

Our church has set a growth ceiling of 350-400 people which, hopefully, we will reach within a couple of years (God willing). This is large enough to have the resources to effectively minister to people and small enough for a pastor to actually know the names of his people.

Once we reach that ceiling, we intend to plant another autonomous church either in our city or a nearby town, dedicate our resources to getting them grounded and then cut them loose with their own leadership and we will encourage them to set a ceiling and do the same.

This is more in keeping with the model I find in the NT than the “satellite” church fad I seeing being implemented today.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

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[geetrue]

The anointing on last nights Praise the Lord program was very real.
You can watch the same program I watched at 2pm pst today on TBN.

They always repeat a night time show the next day, but I'm not sure about some of you being able to get it at the same time I do.
Check your local listings. You'll be glad you did ... all of his guest were high on the Holy Spirit last night,
Ron Luce, Tommy Tenny and another man I don't
remember his name, but he thought that this was a major move of God.

It is a 2 hour show, but somewhere around the end of the show ... you will not be disapointed.

I've watched Pastor Jentezen Franklin for around four or five years now. He is a winner, he is a sincere person, he built a multi-million dollar chuch right in front of me on TBN by showing the church during construction.

It was neat to see a church that big go up like that. He sure has a lot of faith, but I suspect like most pastors that move around the country, that he will be replaced at the church in Georgia, but not by the congregation, by the owner of the foundation of all churches Jesus Christ and not in anger either.

You have to know Orange County the way I do to understand how big this is. This is a major move of God and I can' wait to see what churches are on God's top ten to have revival break out into the streets of America from a humble pastor like Jentezen Franklin.

As for Creflo Dollar having two services, one in Georgia and one in New York. Creflo was healed of prostrate cancer and has a healing CD of just scriptures I sure would like to have. He's the best of the WOF'ers to me.

Don't you know that Robert Schuller Jr's church is in major motion picture houses all over America on sunday morning before the listed times for movies come on?

Rodney Howard Browne has two churches in Flordia going at the same time, one in St Petersburg or Tampa Bay I forget. One in Ocalla, just a few miles away. Rodney wants to open ten churches all over Flordia, because of the international flavor of Florida. He is on the internet live every Sunday with three (3) services.

Take a look at Praise the Lord today, it may very well be on at 2pm all over the nation. It's worth the look and then get back with me and let us know what you think.

It's exciting to watch the Spirit of the Lord move ... I think we are within say five years of a major out pouring of the Holy Spirit.

Lets keep our eyes on Jesus.

 

[blackbyrd]

Jim, that iis what happens within our local church there are 3 churches within the last 15 years that have been founded as ministers from our church were led to go out and start new works. The only person the pastors were accountable to were the Lord. We see them as our brothers and sisters and glorify God in the koinonia He is bringing about. The awesome thing is that each of these bodies reach out to various groups of people and yet God is working in them all.