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A Successful Bible Study is Finished: Revelation

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We began last October, ended yesterday - about nine months to work our way through the Book of Revelation, meeting weekly for an hour by Zoom. I wanted to share some "closing comments" from the participants with you folks here, because I suspect that the feelings expressed among us in the final meeting may well express sentiments valid universally, for Catholics across the country (America) if not around the world these days.

1. Most admitted in the final Session that they were initially nervous - to say the least -about the Study. The Book of Revelation had been an unknown, and was frightening to them. None had ever heard of a study on this Book before, most could not remember ever - ever - hearing about it in a homily or anywhere else in their Catholic lives, from any priest or pastor. They anticipated frightening and disturbing and ominous things to come, but because the Book was such an unknown, they were interested and willing to at least be present and see.

2. The actual effect on them was not what they expected. Many expressed very positive reassurance to hear of God's patience, and continued calls to repentance from His people who would fall into the ways of the world, into lukewarmness in the faith, into lies and seductions of the evil one. They were consoled to hear of His perfect justice to come, and be made manifest in a truly beautiful New Creation - even though that meant their own repentance must be made more complete than it is now. They were joyful to hear of the beautiful and perfect Kingdom to come, for the faithful.

3. They were troubled - even to being near angry - that they never heard all this before in the Church, from anyone in the Church who was supposed to form them and teach them. They were troubled that they knew so little of the Bible in general, and this Book - seen to be very important and relevant to these dark and troubled times - in particular. They were not happy that the "professional" teachers in the Church had kept this Book away from them.

4. But they were very, very happy - and appreciative - to have studied it, listened to it, learned from it now. Some wanted to study this same Book again, from the beginning again, because it is so rich and full and deep and they know they did not grasp it all - in its many mysteries, this first time! This was amplified with the sense that these may well be near the end times; His final coming may be very near, and we need to be ready, as He warned.

I think pastors ought to hear this, and consider the real hungers that may be within their congregations right now, and their personal responsibility to feed their people His Holy Word. I'd be grateful to hear your responses on any part of this "report".
 

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We began last October, ended yesterday - about nine months to work our way through the Book of Revelation, meeting weekly for an hour by Zoom. I wanted to share some "closing comments" from the participants with you folks here, because I suspect that the feelings expressed among us in the final meeting may well express sentiments valid universally, for Catholics across the country (America) if not around the world these days.

1. Most admitted in the final Session that they were initially nervous - to say the least -about the Study. The Book of Revelation had been an unknown, and was frightening to them. None had ever heard of a study on this Book before, most could not remember ever - ever - hearing about it in a homily or anywhere else in their Catholic lives, from any priest or pastor. They anticipated frightening and disturbing and ominous things to come, but because the Book was such an unknown, they were interested and willing to at least be present and see.

2. The actual effect on them was not what they expected. Many expressed very positive reassurance to hear of God's patience, and continued calls to repentance from His people who would fall into the ways of the world, into lukewarmness in the faith, into lies and seductions of the evil one. They were consoled to hear of His perfect justice to come, and be made manifest in a truly beautiful New Creation - even though that meant their own repentance must be made more complete than it is now. They were joyful to hear of the beautiful and perfect Kingdom to come, for the faithful.

3. They were troubled - even to being near angry - that they never heard all this before in the Church, from anyone in the Church who was supposed to form them and teach them. They were troubled that they knew so little of the Bible in general, and this Book - seen to be very important and relevant to these dark and troubled times - in particular. They were not happy that the "professional" teachers in the Church had kept this Book away from them.

4. But they were very, very happy - and appreciative - to have studied it, listened to it, learned from it now. Some wanted to study this same Book again, from the beginning again, because it is so rich and full and deep and they know they did not grasp it all - in its many mysteries, this first time! This was amplified with the sense that these may well be near the end times; His final coming may be very near, and we need to be ready, as He warned.

I think pastors ought to hear this, and consider the real hungers that may be within their congregations right now, and their personal responsibility to feed their people His Holy Word. I'd be grateful to hear your responses on any part of this "report".
Though in dark, the Lord is with us.

I'm glad you helped.
 
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IMHO the book is for those who would understand it in the time they would need to understand it.

Entire cults and groups built up followings on fear from their own 'exegesis' of this book.
 
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IMHO the book is for those who would understand it in the time they would need to understand it.

Entire cults and groups built up followings on fear from their own 'exegesis' of this book.

Does that mean the Book should be avoided? Ignored? Suppressed? No... Rather,

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.​

We ought to read, and hear, and keep, for the time is near. Right?
 
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Does that mean the Book should be avoided? Ignored? Suppressed? No... Rather,

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.​

We ought to read, and hear, and keep, for the time is near. Right?
We can read it, be wary of the things in it, but whole cults raised following strictly on the interpretation of text.

JW and 7th Day, and more groups too numbered to know because many small groups pop up.
 
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The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader. Symbolic language, however, is one of the chief characteristics of apocalyptic literature, of which this book is an outstanding example. Such literature enjoyed wide popularity in both Jewish and Christian circles from ca. 200 B.C. to A.D. 200.

This book contains an account of visions in symbolic and allegorical language borrowed extensively from the Old Testament, especially Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Daniel. Whether or not these visions were real experiences of the author or simply literary conventions employed by him is an open question.

Revelation, THE BOOK OF REVELATION
 
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The last book in the biblical canon of the New Testament is the book of the Apocalypse (a.k.a. Revelation), written by John toward the end of the reign of Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95), when he was in exile on the island of Patmos. John s authorship is affirmed by Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian and the Muratori fragment really by the entire tradition of the Church from the second century forward. The doctrine contained in this book and that in the fourth Gospel run parallel to each other, but naturally the two books differ in language and style because they belong to different genres. To give just one example: John is the only inspired New Testament writer to call our Lord the Logos, a description which we find both in the Apocalypse and in the fourth Gospel. Also both books have a pronounced preference for contrasts, such as light and darkness, truth and lies, life and death, the Lamb and the Beast, Jerusalem and Babylon, the archangel Michael and the Dragon.

The last book of the Bible belongs to the genre of apocalyptic literature, a variant of prophetic literature differing from the latter in that prophecy takes, as its point of departure, human events, judging them in the light of the Covenant, whereas an apocalypse is a revelation which God communicates to man by projecting a vision of the future, although sometimes it does make reference to present, historical events insofar as they help to announce future events.

The aim of the Apocalypse, the most difficult book of the Bible to interpret, is eminently practical. It contains a series of warnings addressed to people of all epochs, for it views from an eternal perspective the dangers, internal and external, which affect the Church in all epochs.

Continued below.
The Book of Revelation
 
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Well I image a Bible study of Revelation conducted by Saint Maron probably would be pretty awesome!
joking based on your avatar.


Yeah I do agree it is very relevant, especially when you look at the contemporary Middle East. I sometimes like to cite this video from Walid Shoebat, (who is Catholic incidentally a convert from Islam).

 
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We can read it, be wary of the things in it, but whole cults raised following strictly on the interpretation of text.

JW and 7th Day, and more groups too numbered to know because many small groups pop up.

Do you suppose that that's the reason the Book is avoided and so-little read by Catholics?
 
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We'll, at least we now know why we aren't hearing from our priests about this book. They are deliberately keeping it from us, presumably on orders from their Bishop's. So not much is preached from the pulpit about the contents of this book.
 
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Oh good grief. Nobody in the Church is keeping laity from Revelation. There is no real official stance on it from a Catholic perspective. What in Revelation should be preached from the pulpit anyway? :scratch:

Roman Catholicism does not accept the possibility of a new revelation; it believes that reason can never completely penetrate the “mystery” and that it must continue the exploration of the mystery that has already been revealed.
 
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......

This book contains an account of visions in symbolic and allegorical language borrowed extensively from the Old Testament, especially Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Daniel. Whether or not these visions were real experiences of the author or simply literary conventions employed by him is an open question.

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Revelation, THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Do you believe that, in Bold? An "open question"? The Word of God might not be "real experiences" of the human authors?
I believe that a major contributor to the coldness of many toward Holy Scripture is because of such academic-speak. But listen to God's Word:

Isa 66:1 Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 All these things my hand has made, and so all these things are mine, says the LORD. But this is the man to whom I will look, he that is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.

The Catechism:
CCC 106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.
111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. “Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written.”

CCC 133 The Church “forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful...to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.”
In Brief
134 “All sacred Scripture is but one book, and this one book is Christ, 'because all divine Scripture speaks of Christ, and all divine Scripture is fulfilled in Christ” (Hugh of St. Victor, De arca Noe 2, 8: PL 176, 642: cf. ibid. 2, 9: PL 176, 642-643)).
135 “The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and, because they are inspired, they are truly the Word of God” (DV 24).
136 God is the author of Sacred Scripture because he inspired its human authors; he acts in them and by means of them. He thus gives assurance that their writings teach without error his saving truth (cf. DV 11).
 
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I've heard priests give talks on the Book of Revelation. In fact, Bishop Barron gave a
homily on YouTube about it about three weeks ago.

Another excellent source is "The Lamb's Supper," by Dr Scott Hahn. He is an expert
on this book and connects the Mass with the Book of Revelation.

I understand why it's not a book priests focus on in their homilies at Mass, because
it's a mysterious book. In fact, when the Church established the New Testament Canon,
they almost didn't include the Book of Revelation, because they feared it would be misinterpreted. They were right. Those who have used it to predict the end of the world
have been around for centuries.

In all, keep in mind that only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Sacred Scripture. Laity who provide their own interpretations are often wrong, so take them with
a grain of salt.
 
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Do you suppose that that's the reason the Book is avoided and so-little read by Catholics?
No, actually I think the reason that we aren't hearing much from the Book of Revelation is two fold: ( but this is just my opinion).
1. Every form of government, worldwide, and,
2. Every form of Church government, are both toppled to the ground, as Jesus, King of Kings, and Lord of Lord's, comes to claim His kingdom.
3. That sort of sudden de-throning and loss of Earthly power and prestige can be shattering to those who hold power.
4. The only ones who won't be shattered by those events are the King's, queens, and all rulers who truly have Christ in their heart.
Those men and women will be down on their knees, faces bowed to the ground, and with their crowns off their heads and in their hands as an offering to the King of Kings, and Lord of Lord's.
And so will we be doing the same thing.
Everything we have of worth will we offer to Jesus.
And from that point on, everything will change for everyone.
 
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This is what I have been taught:

John was to the people of his own day about events that would happen while they were still living, he states that Christ will return while those who put him to death on the cross are still living. The permanent significance of Revelation lies in the author's conviction that right will ultimately triumph over evil in very poetic language. most likely for personal safety for himself and his readers.

What is it in Revelation do you think we are missing. I’ve read it several times. What should be preached in the pulpit about it? The Mass itself is in the book of Revelation and that has been brought up in homilies but what else? What is the Church missing?
 
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It's going to be a very revealing moment in time, because it will be the one time in the history of the Earth where "everything is on the table" so to speak.
 
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The Book of Revelation in Holy Scripture - "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place;..." (Rev. 1:1) - is God's work, not that of any man. The Bible is not like the grocery store where we can put in the cart what we choose, and walk right past the rest. He included, we have no right to exclude or ignore.
 
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So this is not just Earthly wealth that we're talking about here. It includes, allegiance, power, prestige, influence, and all power of every kind in all the Earth will be given to Christ.
And those who do not surrender their wealth, power, and possessions to Jesus, will be fighting for the other side.
 
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The Book of Revelation in Holy Scripture - "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place;..." (Rev. 1:1) - is God's work, not that of any man. The Bible is not like the grocery store where we can put in the cart what we choose, and walk right past the rest. He included, we have no right to exclude or ignore.
While those in his time were still alive. Or speaking of events that were happening then. That does not mean we cannot learn from it today.
 
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Perhaps that's why we don't hear much about the Book of Revelations.
It is the ultimate challenge,
the defining choice,
and the glorious triumph of Jesus:
our Savior,
our Lord,
and our King of all kings.
 
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