10 killed and 35 injured as truck crashes into New Orleans NYE crowd

[Landon Caeli]

If using proper pronouns for Trans people, and keeping our mouths closed about Islam are both parts of "Woke" culture... Then let woke culture die.

The time to take a stand is now.

 

[Chesterton]

The reason should be obvious.

Stigmatization of groups, whether Islamic, rural white, or otherwise, seems mostly to push individuals with risk for radicalization further down the extremist path. Punitive measures, banned speech, and indignant public discourse can backfire and increase the drive for radicalization.

Source: Research on Domestic Radicalization to Violent Extremism: Insights from Family and Friends of Current and Former Extremists

Well I've been called deplorable and garbage by certain public figures. I took it in stride.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Well I've been called deplorable and garbage by certain public figures. I took it in stride.

Me too, and I didn't even kill a single person.

 

[wing2000]

...from a news conference in the last hour:


"The man who carried out the attack, Shamsud-Din Bahar Jabbar, said in a video he posted online that he originally planned to hurt his relatives and friends but worried that news media coverage would not focus on the “war between the believers and disbelievers,” according to Christopher Raia in the F.B.I.’s counterterrorism division. Raia said the suspect said he had joined ISIS before this past summer."

Update from Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs

www.nytimes.com

 

[Landon Caeli]

...from a news conference in the last hour:


"The man who carried out the attack, Shamsud-Din Bahar Jabbar, said in a video he posted online that he originally planned to hurt his relatives and friends but worried that news media coverage would not focus on the “war between the believers and disbelievers,” according to Christopher Raia in the F.B.I.’s counterterrorism division. Raia said the suspect said he had joined ISIS before this past summer."

Update from Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs

www.nytimes.com

I wonder what it means when someone claims they "joined ISIS". Do you get like some reading materials or something? Obviously, they're now saying he acted alone, so it's not like you get help. And then he decided on his own who he was going to kill...

I don't think it means anything to join ISIS, other than just trying to associate yourself with something bigger in regards to something you *already* believe in.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not fitting in, divorced (and mad about it): a good target for radicalization.

Multiply divorced, money troubles, downward career trajectory.

New Orleans attack suspect Shamsud-Din Jabbar's divorce filings point to financial difficulties​

Jabbar worked for two of the nation's largest professional services firms. [Ernst & Young and Deloitte]

In 2012 in Harris County, Texas, ex-wife Nakedra Charrlle Jabbar successfully sued him for child support payments for the couple's two girls,

Four years later, in 2016, Jabbar filed for divorce from another wife, Tiera Symone Jabbar, in Dekalb County, Georgia

In July 2020, in Fort Bend County, Texas, Jabbar filed for divorce from wife Shaneen Chantil Jabbar [but they didn't go through with it at that point, but a year later started again and it looks to have been a nasty one.]

The acrimonious split from Shaneen also featured Jabbar breaking with his own laywer. Attorney Robert Tsai -- who represented Jabbar in his 2012 divorce -- withdrew from the case in Sept. 2021, citing an inability to "effectively communicate" with his client "in a manner consistent with good attorney-client relations." Court records indicate Jabbar represented himself through the remainder of the divorce proceedings.

 

[Chesterton]

Multiply divorced, money troubles, downward career trajectory.

New Orleans attack suspect Shamsud-Din Jabbar's divorce filings point to financial difficulties​

Jabbar worked for two of the nation's largest professional services firms. [Ernst & Young and Deloitte]

In 2012 in Harris County, Texas, ex-wife Nakedra Charrlle Jabbar successfully sued him for child support payments for the couple's two girls,

Four years later, in 2016, Jabbar filed for divorce from another wife, Tiera Symone Jabbar, in Dekalb County, Georgia

In July 2020, in Fort Bend County, Texas, Jabbar filed for divorce from wife Shaneen Chantil Jabbar [but they didn't go through with it at that point, but a year later started again and it looks to have been a nasty one.]

The acrimonious split from Shaneen also featured Jabbar breaking with his own laywer. Attorney Robert Tsai -- who represented Jabbar in his 2012 divorce -- withdrew from the case in Sept. 2021, citing an inability to "effectively communicate" with his client "in a manner consistent with good attorney-client relations." Court records indicate Jabbar represented himself through the remainder of the divorce proceedings.

So he had some troubles in life. Your post sounds like a desperate and ludicrous attempt at shifting blame away from the religion of Islam.

 

[JosephZ]

So he had some troubles in life. Your post sounds like a desperate and ludicrous attempt at shifting blame away from the religion of Islam.

When a person's life becomes unstable, they become vulnerable to radicalization, regardless of a person's religion or lack thereof.

 

[Landon Caeli]

regardless of a person's religion

That's not factual. Statistics show Islamic terror being overwhelmingly more frequent than any other kind of religious terrorism. By far.

Let's at least attempt to be truthful in our responses.

 

[Chesterton]

When a person's life becomes unstable, they become vulnerable to radicalization, regardless of a person's religion or lack thereof.

Oh yeah, radicalized by any religion, like those bloodthirsty Episcopalians even.

 

[JosephZ]

That's not factual. Statistics show Islamic terror being overwhelmingly more frequent than any other kind of religious terrorism. By far.

Let's at least attempt to be truthful in our responses.

Statistics show that Islamic terrorism, like what we have seen over the past two decades, is a recent phenomenon. Between 1970 and 2000, just 3.5% of the terrorist attacks worldwide were carried out by Islamist terrorist. That tells us that Instability in the Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are the root cause of the increase in terrorism since 2000, not the religion of Islam.

 

[Vambram]

Statistics show that Islamic terrorism, like what we have seen over the past two decades, is a recent phenomenon. Between 1970 and 2000, just 3.5% of the terrorist attacks worldwide were carried out by Islamist terrorist. That tells us that Instability in the Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are the root cause of the increase in terrorism since 2000, not the religion of Islam.

It looks like to me that the instability in the Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan was caused by the radical Islamic jihadists.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Statistics show that Islamic terrorism, like what we have seen over the past two decades, is a recent phenomenon. Between 1970 and 2000, just 3.5% of the terrorist attacks worldwide were carried out by Islamist terrorist. That tells us that Instability in the Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are the root cause of the increase in terrorism since 2000, not the religion of Islam.

No, it doesn't tell us what you say it tells us.

 

[JosephZ]

No, it doesn't tell us what you say it tells us.

What does it tell you? Do you think Muslims suddenly found religion in the early 2000s?

 

[Landon Caeli]

What does it tell you? Do you think Muslims suddenly found religion in the early 2000s?

Mohammed himself was a terrorist, who initiated battles against non-believers, and offered them the choice to convert to his false religion, or die.

Islam has never been peaceful. It's been a rollercoaster ride of some bad times and some worse times.

 

[Landon Caeli]

@JosephZ, I'm curious how anyone could deny that the actions Mohammed himself took would *not* be considered terrorism by today's standards. It seems crystal clear.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Mohammed himself was a terrorist, who initiated battles against non-believers, and offered them the choice to convert to his false religion, or die.

That's a better deal than the residents of Beziers received.

 

[Larniavc]

Beginning to look like international terrorism, as the truck crossed the US border days prior.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that what is claimed in this post is is absent the most remedial of investigation and wrong. Followed by doubling down.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That's a better deal than the residents of Beziers received.

Nice deflection, but the only problem is that we don't model ourselves after whoever fought in that. It's a little different when your beloved prophet, himself, is leading the charge.

 

[JosephZ]

@JosephZ, I'm curious how anyone could deny that the actions Mohammed himself took would *not* be considered terrorism by today's standards. It seems crystal clear.

Muhammad was a leader and a warrior. If we look at Muhammad and his actions through a historical lens, while they appear bad by our modern perspective, they were normal for the point in history that he lived. In other words, he was no worse than anyone else who was in a position of leadership in his day whether they be Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Pagan.