“We are all fundamentally good ... the heart itself is good,” says Pope Francis

[Akita Suggagaki]

Let's trust the catholics who don't trust Christ alone for their salvation, but think they can add deeds to the perfect work of Christ on the cross,

Where did you ever get that idea?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Where did you ever get that idea?

Catholics keep saying salvation can be lost, and that we have to add deeds.
Catholics pray to 'Mary' and 'Saints' even though prayer belongs exclusively to God alone.
Catholics keep calling the pope 'holy father' even though the title belongs to God alone. Even the Lord tells us so in Matthew 23 'Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.'

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I am aware the original Bible did not use chapters etc. The Bible is not always chronological, sometimes it jumps in time.

I already explained the ending of Revelation 11 and beginning of Revelation 12. No where it is written that Mary is the ark of the new covenant, that's something catholics made up

The interpretation of Mary as the ark of the incarnate Jesus, the new Law, the new manna from heaven, and the true high priest of God's people originates from the early Church Fathers. Thus, it is a concept developed by Catholics who discerned it within the revelations provided by God through the apostles and prophets of the New Testament.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

in 2014 pope Francis said this "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Really? Putting limits on what God can do?

No one can constrain God, yet it is possible to warn readers against the leaps of human imagination to forestall the mistake of ascribing to God what is merely a figment of their imagination.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes, and?

It is patently obvious that Mary had a very special womb constructed of gopher wood.

 

[concretecamper]

There is no mention of an ark of the new covenant anywhere in the Bible.

When did the Catholic Church make it up? Your answers display your ignorance of Christ.

 

[concretecamper]

Let's trust the catholics who don't trust Christ alone for their salvation, but think they can add deeds to the perfect work of Christ on the cross, and pray not to God, but to 'Mary' and 'saints'

Again, you display your ignorance of Christ and His Church

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

It is patently obvious that Mary had a very special womb constructed of gopher wood.

Where does it mention Mary had a womb constructed of gopher wood? Why would she need to have a womb constructed of gopher wood?
She has a womb like any other woman.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

When did the Catholic Church make it up? Your answers display your ignorance of Christ.

Show me a Bible verse that shows there is a ark of new covenant.

The one in Revelation 11 is not it. As the 11th chapter of revelation ends, John sees something in Heaven that he would have read about years earlier in the letter to the Hebrews. The writer of that epistle spoke of the tabernacle that Moses built in the wilderness as a 'copy of shadow of the Heavenly things' (verse 5). Even the beauty of Solomon's Temple was only a facsimile of the glory of the real thing. John now had the opportunity to see the real article. Not only did he see the beauty of the Heavenly Temple, but he saw the ark of the covenant. Nowhere does it says this as an ark of a new covenant, because the new covenant does not have an ark.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Again, you display your ignorance of Christ and His Church

The Church of Christ is every born again Christian, that is the Church of Christ. And since there are born again genuine believers outside of the catholic church, the catholic church is not the true Church of Christ. The Church is not a building, it is as an assembly of God's people.

Catholics teach that salvation can be lost. Catholics teach that grace and faith are not enough, but you have to add deeds, which is not Biblical.
If you trust in yourself and your deeds, you do not trust in Christ alone.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

No one can constrain God, yet it is possible to warn readers against the leaps of human imagination to forestall the mistake of ascribing to God what is merely a figment of their imagination.

The pope gave that answer to God creating everything in six days, which as the Bible says, He did. But what do the catholics says? That the days of Genesis 1 represent long periods of time-even the billions of years modern science talks about. Not all, but many do.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The pope gave that answer to God creating everything in six days, which as the Bible says, He did. But what do the catholics says? That the days of Genesis 1 represent long periods of time-even the billions of years modern science talks about. Not all, but many do.

It is not about condemning individuals for having differing opinions. Since ancient times, numerous individuals have interpreted the Genesis creation narrative as day-age or through other metaphorical lenses, yet this has not diminished their faith in God as the creator and Jesus as the saviour.

 

[concretecamper]

The Church of Christ is every born again Christian, that is the Church of Christ. And since there are born again genuine believers outside of the catholic church, the catholic church is not the true Church of Christ. The Church is not a building, it is as an assembly of God's people.

Catholics teach that salvation can be lost. Catholics teach that grace and faith are not enough, but you have to add deeds, which is not Biblical.
If you trust in yourself and your deeds, you do not trust in Christ alone.

Deflection. Your accusations are old and tired. Let me guess, Pastor Billy Bob influenced you into believing all the lie you are spewing.

 

[concretecamper]

The Church of Christ is every born again Christian, that is the Church of Christ. And since there are born again genuine believers outside of the catholic church, the catholic church is not the true Church of Christ. The Church is not a building, it is as an assembly of God's people.

Catholics teach that salvation can be lost. Catholics teach that grace and faith are not enough, but you have to add deeds, which is not Biblical.
If you trust in yourself and your deeds, you do not trust in Christ alone.

All I asked is when did the Catholic Church create the belief that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. You're refusal to discuss this point shows us all you really don't know. You really aught to become educated about those who you disagree with.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

the new manna from heaven

John 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the true manna from Heaven.
Why are you applying to what belongs exclusively to Christ to someone else? The bread Jesus talks about is spiritual bread, Jesus is this bread, He is the only one who can give eternal life, not Marry nor anyone else.

the new Law

What new law? The law pointed to Christ. There is no new law, there is grace. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" Galatians 2:16.
Are you under the law? Well then you'll be judged by the law.

the true high priest of God's

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[a] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.
Again, you applying something that is Jesus to 'Mary'. Is Christ the High Priest not sufficient to you?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Deflection. Your accusations are old and tired. Let me guess, Pastor Billy Bob influenced you into believing all the lie you are spewing.

you provided 0 answers. 0 Bible verses. You have nothing. The Church are the people of God. End of.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

It is not about condemning individuals for having differing opinions. Since ancient times, numerous individuals have interpreted the Genesis creation narrative as day-age or through other metaphorical lenses, yet this has not diminished their faith in God as the creator and Jesus as the saviour.

you asked where does the pope contradict God. I showed you several instances where the pope contradicts God.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

All I asked is when did the Catholic Church create the belief that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant.

I don't say the Mary is the ark of the new covenant, it is something the catholics say. So go ask them 'when did the catholic church create the belief that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant.

 

[concretecamper]

The Church are the people of God.

Well, at least one of your statements is true.

 

[concretecamper]

you provided 0 answers. 0 Bible verses. You have nothing. The Church are the people of God. End of.

I never claimed any fact which requires me to provide scriptural references. This post suggests complete confusion on your part.

If you would like to start over, be my guest.

When did the Catholic Church make up the fact that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. That's all I asked.