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J.D. Vance: Women who have not given birth, such as Kamala Harris, are “childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives,”

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We're talking about the level of mindfulness regarding the future. When you're childless, you plan for your future. When you have kids, you plan for their future.
Makes sense..... But it doesnt seem to comport with my experience of people.

I mean obviously decision making within the family looks different. But re the state and fate of the society and larger world, I dont see any different on average in the amount of productive energy exerted between parents and non parents
 
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I have no idea what you're going on about. Since I have no kids and grandkids I don't think about their future because they don't exist. Has nothing whatsoever to do with how I treat the world (whatever that means exactly). BTW, it's not after having kids. Your kids are always your kids. A 60 year old man is still a baby to his 80 year old father. I heard a grandparent once say, the children of my children are twice my children.
I’ve characterized my own life thusly: God has richly blessed my children by the mere fact that I haven’t any!”
 
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Well, I have kids, so I'm only speculating. Then again, a person without kids that has seen legalizing abortion as their litmus test in political elections, well, as we age we become the person we were working towards our whole life. I believe that such a narcissistic focus can only make a childless single person all the more bitter by middle age. i.e. I believe it's an accurate stereotype. However, I also believe that human beings are all unique, and when dealing with individuals I'll take them at face value.
As you support the concept that Vance was espousing you'll be pleased to hear that you'll be reminded of his words quite frequently.

And I thought you couldn't have got a worse pick for VP than Palin...
 
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Context around JD Vance's Childless Cat Lady Remarks surfaces the media owes him an apology

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The controversy over Vance's comments began in earnest on Monday, when liberal journalist and former federal prosecutor Ron Filipkowski posted to X a 28-second clip of Vance speaking in 2021 with then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
"We're effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too," Vance said.
The then-candidate for U.S. Senate identified Vice President Kamala Harris, presumptive 2024 Democratic presidential nominee, along with Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, as present and future leaders of the Democratic Party who, because they have no children, "don't really have a direct stake" in the future of the United States.
Vance specifically used the phrase "miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made." In other words, he clearly meant to refer to a certain kind of person who remained childless by choice. He even mentioned Buttigieg, which proved that he did not have only women in mind.

Leavitt's 30-second clip, which had more than 3.8 million views on X as of Friday morning, showed Vance speaking to the conservative Intercollegiate Studies Institute in 2021. The comments he made there refer the ones he made in his interview with Carlson.
"A lot of people are unable to have kids for very complicated and important reasons," Vance told ISI event attendees.
"The target of these remarks is not them. It's important to point that out. There have always been people like that, who even though they would like to have kids [are] unable to have them. Let's set them to the side," he added moments later. In other words, Vance specifically excluded from his remarks the unfortunate and heartbroken women to whom Aniston and McCain referred.
"As a new mom, my heart aches for women who are unable to bear children. @JDVance words are being taken out of context and unfairly attacked," Leavitt wrote in an accompanying post.
 
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Context around JD Vance's Childless Cat Lady Remarks surfaces the media owes him an apology

I hope that the information and opinions in this article will add positively to this thread.

The controversy over Vance's comments began in earnest on Monday, when liberal journalist and former federal prosecutor Ron Filipkowski posted to X a 28-second clip of Vance speaking in 2021 with then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
"We're effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too," Vance said.
The then-candidate for U.S. Senate identified Vice President Kamala Harris, presumptive 2024 Democratic presidential nominee, along with Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, as present and future leaders of the Democratic Party who, because they have no children, "don't really have a direct stake" in the future of the United States.
Vance specifically used the phrase "miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made." In other words, he clearly meant to refer to a certain kind of person who remained childless by choice. He even mentioned Buttigieg, which proved that he did not have only women in mind.

Leavitt's 30-second clip, which had more than 3.8 million views on X as of Friday morning, showed Vance speaking to the conservative Intercollegiate Studies Institute in 2021. The comments he made there refer the ones he made in his interview with Carlson.
"A lot of people are unable to have kids for very complicated and important reasons," Vance told ISI event attendees.
"The target of these remarks is not them. It's important to point that out. There have always been people like that, who even though they would like to have kids [are] unable to have them. Let's set them to the side," he added moments later. In other words, Vance specifically excluded from his remarks the unfortunate and heartbroken women to whom Aniston and McCain referred.
"As a new mom, my heart aches for women who are unable to bear children. @JDVance words are being taken out of context and unfairly attacked," Leavitt wrote in an accompanying post.
That isn’t “new context.” It’s him trying to walk back his garbage take. Even if you take it as directed at both genders and at people who chose to be childless (which is an exceedingly charitable take), it’s still a stupid and jerky thing to say.
 
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That isn’t “new context.” It’s him trying to walk back his garbage take. Even if you take it as directed at both genders and at people who chose to be childless (which is an exceedingly charitable take), it’s still a stupid and jerky thing to say.
Maybe it is a stupid jerky thing to say, and maybe it is not. I suppose that depends upon a person's point of view. For instance, Leavitt (a woman and a new mom) is defending what Vance said back in 2021.
 
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Maybe it is a stupid jerky thing to say, and maybe it is not. I suppose that depends upon a person's point of view. For instance, Leavitt (a woman and a new mom) is defending what Vance said back in 2021.
Am I supposed to be convinced by a paid shill for the Trump campaign making excuses for comments that weren’t directed at her (since she’s a mom, after all)?
 
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Am I supposed to be convinced by a paid shill for the Trump campaign making excuses for comments that weren’t directed at her (since she’s a mom, after all)?
I doubt that anything that anyone says that supports JD Vance concerning this topic would convince you. Am I wrong about my doubt?
 
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Context around JD Vance's Childless Cat Lady Remarks surfaces the media owes him an apology

I hope that the information and opinions in this article will add positively to this thread.

The controversy over Vance's comments began in earnest on Monday, when liberal journalist and former federal prosecutor Ron Filipkowski posted to X a 28-second clip of Vance speaking in 2021 with then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
"We're effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too," Vance said.
Yep. That's what he said alright. I'm glad you quoted it accurately because we want to make sure that when people quote JD, as they will constantly for the duration of the campaign, we want to make sure they get it right.

Y'know, there was a time - I'm old enough to remember it, that when a politician said something dumb, and it was generally on a hot mike or when he or she thought it was off the record (certainly not a dumb move like Vance made, making it in an actual speech), that they would immediately apologise for it. People who supported the person would call him or her out. They would agree with his or her opponents in that it was an outrageous thing to say. It was worded very badly indeed. It was out of character. And we'd thank them for the apology, accept it and we'd all move on.

What didn't happen was them trying desperately to spin what was said into some philosophical truthism to which we could stroke our chin and nod our head sagely and think 'Yeah, hey he actually did have a valid point and he wasn't making himself out to be a thoughtless waste of space'.
 
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Maybe it is a stupid jerky thing to say, and maybe it is not.
But you know it is. Any reasonable person would know it. It's OK to call it out. Say he made a mistake and he shouldn't have said it. If he admitted as much we'd all move on. But he's trying to walk it back. And looks even worse in doing so.
 
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I doubt that anything that anyone says that supports JD Vance concerning this topic would convince you. Am I wrong about my doubt?
An apology from him would convince me that he has a few honourable bones in his body. Otherwise...no, you're not wrong.
 
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I doubt that anything that anyone says that supports JD Vance concerning this topic would convince you. Am I wrong about my doubt?
Probably not, no.

But that’s not because my opinion is fixed. It’s because I don’t foresee any of his supporters being in a position to shed any new light on this statement that would be sufficient to convince me. Vance himself could possibly say something to change my mind, but what do you or anybody else here know that would enable you to spin this into anything other than what you merely wish it to be?
 
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JD Vance.

"There oughta be a...." tax discount for families with kids.

Um, JD Vance - meet the real world. There already is.

Honestly - what is it with Trump and Vance needing FACT CHECKING all the time?

It's called the Family Tax Credit - America actually has one (hooray!) - and Australia has one and I think it's even called pretty much the same thing!

 
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Val Lewton love...

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I don't want to be too harsh but I can give one possible explanation for why many women are childless with cats, but it would offend most men so I will hold off for now.
 
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Say what you will, Trump was a great president in the things he did for our country. And yes, he doesn't talk like a politician, and yes, he sometimes sounds downright goofy. He's never had lessons in pulbic speaking so I give him a pass on that. Better a president that gets things done (and the things you WANT done) that is not an eloquent speaker than one that wows the crowd, yet never really does anything - or does the wrong thing. That's why I went from anti-trump to believing he is the greatest president in the last century.

But, of course, opinions vary. :)
This whole line that Trump was the worst President in U.S. history is a bunch of bunk. You don't have the worse President in U.S. history still have a mega huge massive following as he does. A worse President would never sweep the primaries of his party back some time ago.
 
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That's because they are young (i'm speculating here). When you are young, you go forward as if you are immortal. I know, I used to be young and when I was young all my friends saw the world as you say. But when people age, what motivates is to create a better world for their progeny. If they don't have a progeny, they tend to err in the direction of creating a better world for themself - unless they are religious, and take it seriously.

Obviously I'm talking in generalities, as in, that is generally true.

Young? I’m in my early 40’s. Most of my friends are 35-50.

One thing I've learned in life: Everyone is loveable AND hateable. That's why Jesus was hung on a cross by some, yet changed the world for those who would listen to them.

Now, I grant that some are MORE hateable than others. e.g. Hitler. But if you are an enemy of a person or their ideas, you are likely to hate them to some degree, so will call out their failures and downplay their successes. And that is what you are doing here with Vance. It's one reason I ignore what politicians say and watch what they do. I should add to that that of course I'm exposed to what they say from time to time. This actually allows me to furter "judge" what they do. That is, if they say they will do X, but don't do it, that's a count against them. And obviously they all do it, so it is taken as part of the whole picture.

And it is important to consider what they lie about. That is, I'm less concerned about a politician who says he will balance the budget (because we know they can't and it is just a campaign promise) than one that says he will remove US troops from country A, but never does it.

I get that you don't like Trump, but your bias against him is damaging your clarity regarding his positive accomplishments. Meanwhile, I have a hard time finding any positive accomplishments of Biden and especially Harris.

This list is from the 20 month point in his presidency. PROMISES KEPT: Read the List of President Trump’s 289 Accomplishments in 20 Months | iHeartRadio | The Sean Hannity Show

How did Biden do?

And FWIW, I was a staunch republican (I'm now independent and have been for over 20 years) back during the Clinton presidency, but I was willing to admit that he was actually not a bad president. The BIG one for me was the Welfare Reform act. He finally stopped the FedGov just throwing taxpayer money at people with no expectation of reciprocation.

Say what you will, Trump was a great president in the things he did for our country. And yes, he doesn't talk like a politician, and yes, he sometimes sounds downright goofy. He's never had lessons in pulbic speaking so I give him a pass on that. Better a president that gets things done (and the things you WANT done) that is not an eloquent speaker than one that wows the crowd, yet never really does anything - or does the wrong thing. That's why I went from anti-trump to believing he is the greatest president in the last century.

But, of course, opinions vary. :)
Wrong thread? This one is about Vance.
 
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Palin was better than Harris. She had a good track record as Governor. I almost posted the picture of my wife and I with Palin, but I'll spare everyone. Let me explain it, though: My wife worked one of those airport "clubs", where the "rich" waitt for their flights, away from us "riff raff" and get free drinks and snacks. That caused her to work with a lot of famous people, and she was really, REALLY good at it. I went there quite a bit to visit her and wait for my flights (I flew a lot in my job). Both of us just see famous people as people just like us that happen to have a job that foists them on the public. i.e. we can't imagine walking up to one and asking for an autograph. About the worst I got was I'd be standing next to one at the bar and as we chit chatted I'd comment on their work in a particular movie or documentary and why I thought they did such a good job. Oh, and I wasn't there, but my wife has a hilarious judge Roberts story. It involves a Big Mac. But the point is I didn't feel the need to "see" any particular celebrity.

Anyway, one day as they were closing my wife called me and told me to come in because there was someone there she knew I'd like to see. This was the January immediately after McCain had lost. It was after hours, and my wife was allowing Palin to stay there until her redeye left a couple of hours later. Anyway, I was blown away to see her and the three of us had a 45 minute conversation about Alaska, Kenei river fishing (which we had recently done), Grandkids, why she wore glasses instead of contacts, you name it. It was like talking to an old friend. Very personable. I'm just going to leave the story there. I thought Palin, based on her track record and the world view exposed in our conversation, would have made an excellent VP and, if it had come to that, great President. In fact, perhaps with a similar quality to how Thatcher did her job.

But, of course, opinions vary.
Liked your story. I would have liked to have talked to her too and get her autograph. Yes I think too she could have made a great President after being the Vice. It makes me wonder though is it even possible once the mainstream media have it their political goal to obliterate someone can you ever truly overcome it in the minds of the people? I don't know. Maybe not. But Palin had absolute charisma in a rather stunning way. Her convention speeches were absolutely electrifying. Even those in the Dem media had to acknowledge that.

Of course the Dem media set her up with the Bush doctrine thing and even the one who brought it up to her (in the interview) Professors months later said even HE didn't understand it rightly. OH NO! She didn't understand the BUSH doctrine! Big huge deal right? NOT. If they would have asked her what the substance of the question was SHE WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM. Do you believe in America making pre-emptive strikes upon an enemy? She would have said for or against. They chose however to play their deceptive silly game not really a thing that benefited the American people. Yes I think America missed the opportunity in having a great leader with her. Sad.
 
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Before Trump, conservative politicians would "get in trouble" for speaking what I believed was truth, and then, tail tucked between their legs, publicly apologize for something you could tell they didn't really think was wrong, and I agreed. It made me sick. I considered them spineless beta males just looking out for their own career at all costs. Oh, and the result was the other side doubled down. The apology was "blood in the water" and the feeding frenzy ensued.

Then came Trump. He didn't even apologize when I thought maybe he should. He understood that dynamic. Heck, if anyone else had been president, when that woman made unsubstantiated claims about Kavanaugh trying to "feel her up" at a party when he was a teenager, Kavanaugh's name would have been withdrawn. Popycock. In fact, I would say the best thing Trump did for conservatives is he unapologetically called out the lunacy of the left, and he became the beginning of a wave of "courage" from the right to call out the lunacy of the alphabet people, men in ladies rooms, women's sports, rapists in women's prisons, gender changing surgery for children, etc.

The culture had gone mad and he injected courage into those that could plainly see it, to fight it. And here we are. The next four years are going to be awesome, but there will be a lot of pain as well (see last line of my tag).

Bottom line: There is NOTHING for Vance to apologize for.
You are absolutely correct. Prior to Trump, character and integrity used to matter. He has proven that insults, divisvness, personal attacks, disrespect of others particularly women and minorities, even criminal activity can be parlayed to a political advantage, especially with a constituancy willing to reward such crudeness.
I find it quite sad. ymmv
 
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