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Why Biden? What has he done?
This is taken from the Daily Kos as of Jan. 2024 It is not all of it.

OK Let's take a look at this. I will try to be impartial.

Economy
The Chips and Science Act. I suspect that will turn out good for defense. So a potential win for biden

Inflation Reduction Act, Like most "Acts" the title of the Act is often far from the realities. Inflation Reduction Act can’t take much credit for drop in inflation rate, experts say
From what I read much of this Act focuses on climate. it is a subsidy bill that gives government money for heat pumps, and 4.5 billion for electric stoves. It gives more generous subsidies for health care. But that is not reducing inflation, that is shifting costs to the government. https://www.consumerreports.org/app...d-new-electric-appliance-rebates-a3460144904/
The investment credits are also just subsidies to business. If it was a good investment you would not need government incentives. It might pull forward investment, meaning a business will invest more in a certain year to achieve a higher subsidy. Meanwhile someone else pays for those subsidies or more likely the government just adds debt.
Increased funding the IRS. Yes, a true Biden win. 6 dollars in revenue for every dollar spent.
Job Creation, low unemployment, and GDP statistics are just that. If Biden is responsible what was the cause? Likely it was the USA coming out of the pandemic and the past inflationary monetary policy pushing things forward. I'm open though to hear other alternatives if there is evidence of any Biden policy change that can point to him getting credit.

Cost of living
Interest rates are what has drove down inflation.
Releasing oil - Why? Oil in Storage is for defense, not for market manipulation. There are modest declines in oil prices (some say a few cents to 30 cents. However, what price will be paid to put the reserves back in? So not a win, just a giveaway that likely will have no long term impact. Can releases from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve lower energy prices?

Affordability connectivity program. - It is now ended A 14.2 billion program to subsidize internet access. Someone will pay that back. There is no free lunch. Affordable Connectivity Program Consumer FAQ

When you have to run your washer twice because the water level is so low the clothes are not clean, that does not lower the cost of living. So in this category the Biden administration gets a negative for spending other people's money for stuff that had very little impact.

Health care.
More subsidies, a redistribution scheme. It works though as more are insured from other people's money.If Obama and Biden were good they would lower per capita costs of health insurance. Unfortunately the USA ranks first in the highest costs for health care. 12,555 per person in 2022, The second highest is Switzerland at 8,011 and they make 10,000 more per person. How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
So more spending, more health care, more costly. The GOP offers nothing. I would give the advantage to Biden but adding more spending to what Obama already did?

Climate: More subsidies for cleanups, allegedly cleaner energy and almost a billion for Virginia rail service. Impact - who knows?

Infrastructure - more spending, are the dollars wasteful?

Crime -
lower crime rates? read this, More Crime Analysis, Less Crime Politics Biden hails crime decrease, but the numbers tell a more violent story There area lots of determinants of crime including demographics. So crime is lower than during the pandemic. Did Biden do that? if so How?

Marijuana reform - relaxation probably is a negative. Pardoning some was a good idea

Diversity/Equality. no comment

Foreign Policy -
Biden was better than the GOP in supporting aid to Ukraine. If Trump weakened NATO he deserves credit for helping them think about spending more. A record number of NATO allies are spending more on defense, hitting alliance's goals

Biden has not done enough to China. I think he is seen as too weak and the enemies are restless.

Morality - Personal? I will let God judge. On policy, anyone think Biden's agenda is better?

Sorry for a lack of details. The issues are complicated and the media and even the science is a bit biased. Each area of policy requires detailed analysis and it is wrong to credit a President with any outcome unless there are specific laws of bills that can explain the outcome, and the all the side effects, like an increased budget. That is not the case with Daily Kos or myself but at least I admit the superficiality. Both Presidents are failures concerning the public debt. Neither has a plan, no major health care reforms, no social security reforms, educational reforms favor the GOP. Who gets the USA more ready for war? Trump, though he likely will get blamed if WWIII starts on his watch. Who has a better immigration plan? I think Trump. So guilty or not in a NY court, I prefer Trump.




 
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No, they are mine. When we post in threads like this, we post as members.
That's good. I was thinking more about whether there was a predominate or unanimous view.

Why would I want to know something like that?

Think of it this way: Suppose a Methodist minister stops at a charming church, is welcomed, feels quite at home, when all of a sudden some of the congregation start speaking in tongues. They don't say anything or get up and leave, but, having a different doctrinal view, they aren't comfortable, either.

Would I feel that way if the opinion was 180° in the other political direction? Maybe not as much, but both Trump and Pence spoke to subgroups at the Southern Baptist Convention, and I wondered why these groups want any politician to speak to them at all.
 
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Breeding ground for gender bending ideologies is exaggeration. Raising awareness and acceptance is not grooming.
Trying to instill acceptance by teaching there are more than two genders to impressionable children is absolutely grooming.
At some stage, perhaps when children start to ask questions or tease on this issue, awareness needs to be raised as part of socialization.
It doesn’t have to be.
What would you do if a child is bullied for having gender dysphoria or simply confusion?
Tell him that he is indeed confused.
 
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Trying to instill acceptance by teaching there are more than two genders to impressionable children is absolutely grooming.
There we disagree. And you mischaracterize. Teaching acceptance in terms of how other people feel about themselves is not grooming.
 
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When you have to run your washer twice because the water level is so low the clothes are not clean, that does not lower the cost of living. So in this category the Biden administration gets a negative for spending other people's money for stuff that had very little impact.
I have never had to wash my clothes twice. I imagine if I got something muddy enough, I may have to, but then probably the item will be wrecked.
This sounds similar to Trump's comments about the shower and having to flush many times. ;)

Crime - lower crime rates? read this, More Crime Analysis, Less Crime Politics Biden hails crime decrease, but the numbers tell a more violent story There area lots of determinants of crime including demographics. So crime is lower than during the pandemic. Did Biden do that? if so How?

New FBI data confirms previous indications that crime in the U.S. declined significantly in 2023, continuing a post-pandemic trend and belying widespread perceptions that crime is rising.​
The new fourth-quarter numbers showed a 13% decline in murder in 2023 from 2022, a 6% decline in reported violent crime and a 4% decline in reported property crime. That’s based on data from around 13,000 law enforcement agencies, policing about 82% of the U.S. population, that provided the FBI with data through December.​
“It suggests that when we get the final data in October, we will have seen likely the largest one-year decline in murder that has ever been recorded,” said Jeff Asher, a former CIA analyst who now studies crime trends.​


After we saw the largest increase in murders ever recorded during the previous Administration, my Administration got to work protecting the American people. My America Rescue Plan – which every Republican voted against – delivered $15 billion to cities to hire and retain more cops and keep communities safe. I took on the gun lobby and signed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act into law, the most significant gun violence legislation in nearly 30 years.​
Foreign Policy -
Biden was better than the GOP in supporting aid to Ukraine. If Trump weakened NATO he deserves credit for helping them think about spending more. A record number of NATO allies are spending more on defense, hitting alliance's goals
NATO countries are not given enough credit for allowing US military bases in their countries. Also, a number of those countries are not near as rich as America.
Keep in mind that the only time NATO came to the aid of a member country was after 9/11/2001. They came to America's aid.


Biden has not done enough to China. I think he is seen as too weak and the enemies are restless.

Morality - Personal? I will let God judge. On policy, anyone think Biden's agenda is better?

Sorry for a lack of details. The issues are complicated and the media and even the science is a bit biased. Each area of policy requires detailed analysis and it is wrong to credit a President with any outcome unless there are specific laws of bills that can explain the outcome, and the all the side effects, like an increased budget. That is not the case with Daily Kos or myself but at least I admit the superficiality. Both Presidents are failures concerning the public debt. Neither has a plan, no major health care reforms, no social security reforms, educational reforms favor the GOP. Who gets the USA more ready for war? Trump, though he likely will get blamed if WWIII starts on his watch. Who has a better immigration plan? I think Trump. So guilty or not in a NY court, I prefer Trump.
That is basically all opinion. Trump dishonesty is lifelong. He is stealing via taxes, and in not paying for work he orders. Trump stole from his charitable foundation. Remember all the times he accused the Clintons of that? They didn't steal, he did. He defrauded the students of his Trump university. All that is determined by court cases. He has been dishonest to all three of his wives, having had very public affairs while married to first two, and then it came out from the Wall Street Journal about Stormy Daniels.

Regarding public debt, Trump added a bunch to the national debt.


The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt.​
The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.​


If Trump gets back in, he will want to cut taxes, as in income for the government, again and the debt (which didn't matter to any Republican apparently when it was his) will go up.
I'll stick with Biden.
 
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Trying to instill acceptance
BTW MAGA does exactly this when they normalize sexual Assault and adultery and every other shameful behavior by supporting Trump for president.
 
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My fault. I took the bait. She started on his recent rally and I said something about jail. So , my bad.:mad:

It comes down to, how do we all live together. We think each other delusional, brainwashed, hopeless.
One of my best friends is full Trump. He cut off his oldest brother because he was anti Trump. He almost cut me off when I spoke facts to him and he refused to take my calls for a few weeks but he soon realized that I was the only friend who was there when he needed someone.

He's still a Trumper but much softer and listens if I speak about his misunderstanding.
 
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BTW MAGA does exactly this when they normalize sexual Assault and adultery and every other shameful behavior by supporting Trump for president.
No they don’t, Trump was never found guilty of rape and adultery is under God, not US law. It’s not like Joe Biden has never committed sexual immorality or done any other sins in his life.
 
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There we disagree. And you mischaracterize. Teaching acceptance in terms of how other people feel about themselves is not grooming.
Yes it 100% is. Telling people they need to be accepting of cross dressing freaks, an abomination in the eyes of God, is definitely grooming them to accept transgenderism.
 
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No they don’t, Trump was never found guilty of rape and adultery is under God, not US law. It’s not like Joe Biden has never committed sexual immorality or done any other sins in his life.
I said sexual assault which he admitted to and Trump's adultery is also public.
By endorsing Trump you accept, tolerate and normalize this behavior.

You have evidence of Biden's sexual immorality?
 
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I said sexual assault which he admitted to and Trump's adultery is also public.
By endorsing Trump you accept, tolerate and normalize this behavior.
No, you’re not. You’re not normalizing the behavior at all. Me voting for Trump isn’t gonna somehow normalize sexual assault or adultery. Also I’m not accepting or tolerating his behavior, but he’s running for president, not pastor. These accusations come from over 8 years ago anyway.
You have evidence of Biden's sexual immorality?
He supports contraception rights, IVF rights, abortion rights, and LGBT rights. Enabling that is a form of sexual immorality.

Also info on Hunter Biden’s laptop:

Tons of sex crimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden engaged in pedophilia.
 
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Me voting for Trump isn’t gonna somehow normalize sexual assault or adultery.
But it does. You accept it for your leader in chief. In fact so much of his bad behavior (compulsive lies, condoning violence, intimidation, threats, bullying, foul language etc) has been normalized that it has been insidiously eroding the moral fabric of our society. And you want more.
 
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You accept it for your leader in chief.
“It”, being adultery and sexual assault as leader in chief?

No, you mean Trump, who did those things a long time ago. Adultery 18 years ago and the sexual assault would have been 28 years ago.
In fact so much of his bad behavior has been normalized that it has been insidiously eroding the moral fabric of our society.
No, what has been causing morality to decline is tolerance of contraception rights, IVF rights, abortion rights, and LGBT rights. This has promoted by the Democrats to hundreds of millions of people. That affects society on a large scale.

Trump, a single person, did some things in private and never advocated for crime, adultery, and even stated he supported traditional marriage.
And you want more.
I want less sexual immorality. I want more border control. You want more invaders in this country.
 
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Ideally, psychology should be free for anyone, but that is for another thread. Churches should have free psychology resources, but a lot of churches sadly do not care.
They should not have to be pulled out of school. Such issues should be handled independent of the classroom...
 
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“It”, being adultery and sexual assault as leader in chief?

No, you mean Trump, who did those things a long time ago. Adultery 18 years ago and the sexual assault would have been 28 years ago.

No, what has been causing morality to decline is tolerance of contraception rights, IVF rights, abortion rights, and LGBT rights. This has promoted by the Democrats to hundreds of millions of people. That affects society on a large scale.

Trump, a single person, did some things in private and never advocated for crime, adultery, and even stated he supported traditional marriage.

I want less sexual immorality. I want more border control. You want more invaders in this country.
Stormy Daniels affair while married to Melania was 2006. Support for traditional marriage, indeed. You condone it and it has nothing to do with border security. Unless you are wanting to look the other way and give Trump a free pass while fixating on the border.
 
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No, you’re not. You’re not normalizing the behavior at all. Me voting for Trump isn’t gonna somehow normalize sexual assault or adultery. Also I’m not accepting or tolerating his behavior, but he’s running for president, not pastor. These accusations come from over 8 years ago anyway.

He supports contraception rights, IVF rights, abortion rights, and LGBT rights. Enabling that is a form of sexual immorality.

Also info on Hunter Biden’s laptop:

Tons of sex crimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden engaged in pedophilia.
So you are against 'contraception rights'?

People worry that the Supreme Court will ban contraception and that the republicans will fight to ban it, only to be told by those on the right, "no, we aren't doing that."
Your post is proof that Republicans are likely to go after contraception rights.
 
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Stormy Daniels affair while married to Melania was 2006. Support for traditional marriage, indeed. You condone it and it has nothing to do with border security. Unless you are wanting to look the other way and give Trump a free pass while fixating on the border.
What happens between Trump and Melania is their business. I don’t condone it but it was 18 years and Trump is still married so I assume him and her have resolved any issues that arose.
 
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So you are against 'contraception rights'?

People worry that the Supreme Court will ban contraception and that the republicans will fight to ban it, only to be told by those on the right, "no, we aren't doing that."
Your post is proof that Republicans are likely to go after contraception rights.
Some republicans are against it, some aren’t. Clarence Thomas already said he wants to ban it.
 
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