Die Hard Trump Supporters

[ralliann]

Agreed. Hence why schools should not push trans stuff onto kids. But, that is for another thread. But, Biden is better than Trump.

Biden IMO is ruining this country....or whoever is in charge.

I just miss the old-school politicians who were not as woke on the left, or as fascist on the right.

The fascists are on the left..

 

[AlexB23]

Biden IMO is ruining this country....or whoever is in charge.

The fascists are on the left..

Honestly, both sides have been ruining the country for over 7 years.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Honestly, both sides have been ruining the country for over 7 years.

Why there. I think we may a bad turn in Bush Administration attacking Iraq.
Then Obama pushed too far.

 

[AlexB23]

Why there. I think we may a bad turn in Bush Administration attacking Iraq.
Then Obama pushed too far.

Yeah, we can go back even further, when Bush attacked Iraq, and when Obama used drone strikes, killing innocent civilians. But the last 7 years have been hyper-partisan. And Clinton sold America's soul (if it had any to begin with) to China, while Reagan in the 1980s got us into major debt. In other words, all politicians are sinners. But I'd rather have a politician from 10-30 years ago to anyone from now.

 

[armchairscholar]

Actually no, not the best economy and unemployment has been lower under Biden, more jobs created under Biden, and we still have had free trade with China except where tariffs have been added.

About China, Trump's trade deal included an agreement by China to buy $200 extra imports by Dec. 21. They didn't.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal

Two years ago, President Donald Trump signed what he called a "historical trade deal" with China that committed China to purchase $200 billion of additional US exports before December 31, 2021. Today the only undisputed "historical" aspect of that agreement is its failure. One lesson is not to make deals that cannot be fulfilled when unforeseen events inevitably occur—in this case, a pandemic and a recession. Another is not to forget the complementary policies needed to give an agreement a chance to succeed.​

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In the end, China bought only 58 percent of the US exports it had committed to purchase under the agreement, not even enough to reach its import levels from before the trade war.[1] Put differently, China bought none of the additional $200 billion of exports Trump's deal had promised.​

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As to unemployment and job creation, Biden has done better.

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Trump's unemployment number was 6.4%. Biden's was 3.5% and now about3.9% - 4%

Record-Breaking Accomplishments On Jobs And Unemployment Under Biden

May's jobs and employment report show a record-breaking run of good economic news under President Biden

www.forbes.com

The May jobs and unemployment report is out today, and it shows a continuing strong economy. The Biden Administration’s robust and durable track record on jobs and unemployment is breaking records, putting up some of the best results we’ve seen in half a century.​

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First, the numbers. The federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that May saw an additional 272,000 jobs created, above most forecasters’ expectations. Unemployment ticked up from 3.9% to 4%, although such slight single-month changes are statistically meaningless (if the rate rises for several months in a row, then you have a trend.)​

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These are very strong numbers, especially this far into an economic recovery. The White House took a justified victory lap, with President Biden noting “unemployment has been at or below 4% for 30 months—the longest stretch in 50 years.”​

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Jobs increased in several sectors—health care, leisure and hospitality, and professional services. And wages continued rising, with average hourly earnings moving upward. BLS notes that “over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased by 4.1%.”​

Why Biden? What has he done?
This is taken from the Daily Kos as of Jan. 2024 It is not all of it.

Economy/Employment

• Over the past two years, inflation reduced by two-thirds while unemployment kept low and economy grew by 3%
• Two of the strongest years of job growth in history
• Nearly 11 million jobs created since 2021
• Created more manufacturing jobs in 2022 than in any single year in nearly 30 years
• 3.5% unemployment rate — the lowest in 50 years
• 750,000 new manufacturing jobs
• Near record low unemployment rate for Hispanics
• Near record low unemployment rate for African-Americans
• Record low unemployment rate for people with disabilities
• Incentives in the Inflation Reduction Act have spurred companies to spend nearly $300 billion on investments in manufacturing
• As a result of the CHIPS and Science Act, which provides incentives for domestic manufacture of technology, in just one year, U.S. companies have announced $166 billion in investments in semiconductors and electronics. This will provide American jobs, decrease reliance on foreign manufacturing of critical technologies, and position the US to lead future scientific innovations.
• Increased funding to the IRS to enable audits of high-income taxpayers, resulting in the recovery of over $160 million in back taxes owed by millionaires and billionaires

Cost Of Living

• Executive Orders and releases of strategic oil reserves resulted in gas prices more than $1.60 lower than their summer 2022 peak
• $15 minimum wage for Federal workers and contractors
• Over 100 actions to lower household energy costs by $100 per year
• Over 16 million households receiving lower cost or free high-speed internet through the Affordable Connectivity Program
• Commitments from 20 leading internet providers to increase speeds and cut prices
• Inflation reduced by two thirds from its 2022 high

HealthCare & Costs

• Millions of Americans are saving $800 per year on health insurance coverage
• Four out of five people can buy health insurance on healthcare.gov for $10/month or less
• Health insurance coverage rates increased by 50% since January 2021
• More people with health insurance – 92% insured is the highest in history
• Lowered Medicare recipients’ health care expenses, including by capping out of pocket expenses on prescription drugs at $2,000 per year, capping insulin costs at $35/month, and providing free vaccines
• Lowered the cost of hearing aids by making them available over the counter
• $37 billion in funding for senior and disability services, including community based services
• Improvements to veterans' health care, particularly for veterans exposed to harmful chemicals
• Advanced research on cancer and other diseases through the ARPA-H initiative
• “Cancer Moonshot” with the goal of cutting the cancer death rate by at least half over the next 25 years
• Hosted White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition, and Health; with a goal to end hunger and reduce diet-related diseases

Climate/Environmental Protections

• Rejoined the Paris Agreement to combat climate change
• Over 100 Executive Orders and legislation to develop clean energy, protect America's lands and waterways, reduce pollution, and stimulate the development of clean energy businesses
• $1 billion to clean up and restore the Great Lakes
• $729 million to Virginia for railway projects

Infrastructure

• Infrastructure investments in all 50 states, D.C., territories, and tribal nations
• Through the Infrastructure and Stimulus bill, over $1.9 trillion to improve, repair, and build water delivery systems, public transportation, high-speed internet, bridges, roads, railways; and to promote American industries, create jobs, and lower inflation

Crime

• Reduced crime rates: violent crimes down 8% in 2023; in over 175 cities, murder rates down nearly 13%
• Signed legislation to hire more police and invest in community policing
• Signed legislation to reauthorize and strengthen the Violence Against Women Act

Marijuana Reform

• Thousands of pardons for people convicted of simple possession of marijuana under federal law and on federal lands and D.C.
• Initiated review of the drug scheduling of marijuana, with a view to reducing the classification of marijuana from Schedule 1 to a more appropriate Schedule

Diversity/Equality

• Appointed a record number of women and people of color to serve in the Biden Administration
• Appointed the first African-American woman to the Supreme Court – Ketanji Jackson
• Most diverse judicial appointments in history, including 66% women and 65% people of color
• Record number of federal contracts to small, disadvantaged businesses + measures to increase access to credit for small businesses fuel dramatic increases in small, black-owned business and in black family wealth
• Invested historic funding for Tribal governments and Native communities

Foreign Policy

• Support to Ukraine against Russian aggression, including weapons and humanitarian aid
• Strengthened NATO, G7, and other alliances
• Significant action to curb Chinese threats to U.S. national security and economic interests, including increased restrictions on China’s access to U.S. advanced technology and hosting the first trilateral summit with South Korea, Japan and the United States, while also working to improve communications between the U.S. and China.
• December 2023, announced sale of over $300 million of military equipment to Taiwan in support of Taiwan’s national defense needs, the 12th military sale to Taiwan since Pres. Biden took office.

Why not Trump?

He is still telling tall tales. Last night in Detroit, he bragged that sometime before he ran, he received the Michigan Man of the Year award. That award does not exist.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-dubious-michigan-man-of-the-year-boast/

President Donald Trump has claimed no fewer than seven times over the past three years — including at a recent rally in New Hampshire — that he won Michigan’s “man of the year” award. But there’s no evidence that he did.​

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We scoured news archives and searched the internet, and came up empty. Other media outlets have looked into it too, with a similar lack of results. And Trump’s campaign isn’t commenting.​

This is what we did find: It appears that Trump is referring to a 2013 dinner hosted by a county Republican Party organization, which presented him with token gifts – including a statuette of Abraham Lincoln. But a former Republican congressman who organized the dinner said Trump did not receive an award, and the group has never given out “man of the year” awards.​

He has a lifelong pattern of fraud in his past.

• Trump had to pay $25 million to victims of his fraudulent university.
• Trump had to pay $2 million to 8 different charities for misusing funds meant for them.
• Trump was found guilty of fraud for " "numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentation" to inflate Trump's net worth in order get more favorable loan terms." He had to pay a$175 million bond for a judgement over $350 million.
• "Trump is charged ( and found guilty) with 34 felony counts for each alleged falsified business record related to his repayment to Cohen — 11 invoices, 11 checks and 12 ledger entries."
• In 1992, after running some casinos and the NY Plaza hotel into bankruptcy, " the Trump family created a fictitious company, “All County Building Supply & Maintenance.” It appears the company’s main purpose was to evade gift taxes on funds that Fred Trump, Donald’s father, funneled to Donald and his siblings as ostensibly legitimate tax-deductible business expenses."

Morality -

• Trump was caught on a hot mic when on Entertainment tonight making lewd comments about kissing women and grabbing them by the privates and it was aired in 2016. “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
• Trump felt empowered to walk into the dressing rooms unannounced when he owned beauty pageants. "A former beauty queen is confirming Donald Trump’s own words about walking into pageant dressing rooms unannounced, following recently resurfaced audio recordings where Trump boasted about his ability to do so as the owner of the Miss USA pageant."
• Trump was adjudicated to have committed rape. "A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood."

Trump can't admit that he lost in 2020. He weakened NATO and the US lost respect with him as president. His administration was marked by chaos and frequent staff changes. Trump's former staff think badly of him.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/officials-who-criticized-donald-trump/index.html

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"He called Trump “the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people.” Former Secretary of Defense, Mattis.​

Pence is not endorsing Trump.
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper has called him a “threat to democracy.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-matters/index.html

1. His vice president, Mike Pence: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. … Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.”​

2. His second attorney general, Bill Barr: “Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”....​

5. His chairman of the joint chiefs, retired Gen. Mark Milley, seemed to invoke Trump: “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the Constitution and we take an oath to the idea that is America – and we’re willing to die to protect it.”​

10. His third national security adviser, John Bolton: “I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”​

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11. His second chief of staff, John Kelly: “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.”​

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That is enough for now.​

I wouldn't consider myself political, I just try and look at the data and see who produces the best outcomes. Thanks for collecting and summarizing these data points.

I think in the end, most americans want similar things: Safe and clean cities, good economy, opportunities to move up the social chain, healthy kids. Who is more likely to get us to that outcome? I think we need to be careful not to get riled up on hot button issues that only affect a very small amount of people, like the LGBT stuff or abortion. Those are edge cases and they belong on the edge, not the mainstream

 

[Adam56]

Can we at least admit now that the claim of conservatism/Republicans of being in favor of "small government" was always a farce, or at least is currently no longer true?

-CryptoLutheran

They want small government in most cases, but when lives are being threatened, or other capital crimes are being committed, they want to intervene.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

My in-laws think Trump the greatest. My husband takes on that battle, I accept they’re happy to be wrong, unlikely to change, and let it go.

 

[ralliann]

Honestly, both sides have been ruining the country for over 7 years.

Not to this degree. We do not even have borders anymore.
And our justice system is corrupt....

 

[Tuur]

I think in the end, most americans want similar things: Safe and clean cities, good economy, opportunities to move up the social chain, healthy kids. Who is more likely to get us to that outcome? I think we need to be careful not to get riled up on hot button issues that only affect a very small amount of people, like the LGBT stuff or abortion. Those are edge cases and they belong on the edge, not the mainstream

If they think any president can accomplish these things, they are going to be disappointed. Safe and clean cities depends on the officials running them and if the residents don't like the job they're doing, they shouldn't vote them back in when their terms are up. A president can have an effect on the economy and business opportunities through supporting policies and vetoing laws to the contrary, but at the end of the day it's congress who makes the laws . Like with cities, if your elected officials can't do the job, don't vote them back in when their terms are up.

Hot button issues are the bread and butter of political campaigns, and address what candidates think will appeal to donors and the party faithful. Core constituency that they think they have in their back pocket get ignored because they think they have their vote regardless.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Not to this degree. We do not even have borders anymore.
And our justice system is corrupt....

Yes, we do have borders. The hyperbole just makes one sound ridiculous.

 

[ViaCrucis]

They want small government in most cases, but when lives are being threatened, or other capital crimes are being committed, they want to intervene.

So which of those things would contraception be under?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ralliann]

Yes, we do have borders. The hyperbole just makes one sound ridiculous.

We have eyes.

 

[Adam56]

So which of those things would contraception be under?

-CryptoLutheran

Depends which form of contraception.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Depends which form of contraception.

Please elaborate.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Postvieww]

I just got off the phone with my sister. She firmly, vigorously believes that Trump is the best president ever, can fix "everything", if anything bad happened January 6th it was Nancy Pelosi's fault and anyone convicted should certainly be pardoned, on and on. And I am the one who is brain washed because I do not buy it.

Anyone else?

It seems both sides believe the other is brain washed but here are some facts.

Nancy Pelosi says ‘I take responsibility’ for not having National Guard at the Capitol on Jan. 6

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In her own words Nancy Pelosi takes responsibility for not having the national Guard on Jan 6.

Also the DC mayor miscalculated.

Underestimating the Threat, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser Requested Unarmed Guards

In this daily series, Newsweek explores the steps that led to the January 6 Capitol Riot.

www.newsweek.com

No Trump cannot fix everything but he is the best shot we have.

Absolutely some convicted on Jan 6 charges should be pardoned many were charged just for being there.

None of us should buy anything not supported by the facts but we seem to have a disconnect on what is factual.

Do some buy the lefts claim the border is not an open border? The facts show that it is.

Do some buy the lefts claim the Joe is not suffering from some form of dementia? The facts show that he is.

Do some buy the lefts claim that we are not at risk because of the flood of illegal s across the border? the facts show that we are.

No Trump is not a perfect human being , but is far more qualified than Joe in every conceivable way to be President.

 

[FreeinChrist]

We have eyes.

Yes, we do. I have lived in a southern border state for 40 years now.

 

[ralliann]

Yes, we do. I have lived in a southern border state for 40 years now.

You do not need to live in a border state anymore! They are spread all over this country.
The border patrol see, and we see too!!!!....then they go all over.

 

[FreeinChrist]

You do not need to live in a border state anymore! They are spread all over this country.
The border patrol see, and we see too!!!!....then they go all over.

So you are upset that there are Hispanics in your part of the US? I imagine the Native Americans felt that way.

 

[Adam56]

Please elaborate.

-CryptoLutheran

Do they stop conception or do they sometimes stop a zygote from implantating in the uterus.

 

[AlexB23]

Not to this degree. We do not even have borders anymore.
And our justice system is corrupt....

I agree on the first point. But, if we look at the bigger picture, this country has been on a decline since the 1980s.