A review of what the New Testament says about the Great Babylon

[Spiritual Jew]

The city sits on many nations..(peoples,tongues etc)

It says that because it's not an earthly city. It's a spiritual city that is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). The citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem are those who belong to the Lamb, Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:22-24). The citizens of Babylon are all who do not belong to Christ. Babylon represents everything that opposes Christ and His church.

Trying to narrow Babylon down to any one earthly city or entity does not represent the global scope of that spiritual city. It is the mother of all harlots. People try to say it's Jerusalem, The Vatican, and other earthly cities or entities, but those are just two of the many harlots spawned by their spiritual mother, Babylon.

 

[pasifika]

It says that because it's not an earthly city. It's a spiritual city that is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). The citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem are those who belong to the Lamb, Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:22-24). The citizens of Babylon are all who do not belong to Christ. Babylon represents everything that opposes Christ and His church.

Trying to narrow Babylon down to any one earthly city or entity does not represent the global scope of that spiritual city. It is the mother of all harlots. People try to say it's Jerusalem, The Vatican, and other earthly cities or entities, but those are just two of the many harlots spawned by their spiritual mother, Babylon.

Rev 18:18,19

 

[znpaaneah]

The city sits on many nations..(peoples,tongues etc)

The United states has bases on all seven continents. The number of bases we have is more than 750 military bases in foreign countries. UK has 145, Russia has less than 36 and China has five. The US spends about $55 billion a year for these bases. https://www.cato.org/commentary/750...many-any-nation-time-us-bring-its-troops-home

 

[znpaaneah]

It says that because it's not an earthly city. It's a spiritual city that is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). The citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem are those who belong to the Lamb, Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:22-24). The citizens of Babylon are all who do not belong to Christ. Babylon represents everything that opposes Christ and His church.

Trying to narrow Babylon down to any one earthly city or entity does not represent the global scope of that spiritual city. It is the mother of all harlots. People try to say it's Jerusalem, The Vatican, and other earthly cities or entities, but those are just two of the many harlots spawned by their spiritual mother, Babylon.

You have to have your interpretation fit every verse, not just some of them. Revelation 18 says the merchants mourn because no one will buy their stuff anymore, that is not spiritual, that is commercial. The first mention of Babylon is a place where God's people are carried off to. After 70 AD the Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth and during the church age the only country where you could flee to for religious freedom was the US.

 

[bniffty24]

Have you seen the movie "The Sound of Freedom"? Have you heard about Epstein island and Diddy parties? There are many, many people in the US who have illegals as maids and help, they hold their passports and are kept essentially as slaves. Then of course there are sweat shops which make all the stuff Americans buy. The people working in these are slaves. They make the shoes and other clothing items sold in America. Slavery is bigger now than it ever was.

Yes I know about all that stuff so it seems you and I are on the same page , and if so , then you would also know that all that stuff is going to be exposed and cleaned up eventually to the point where very little of it will be happening.

 

[znpaaneah]

Yes I know about all that stuff so it seems you and I are on the same page , and if so , then you would also know that all that stuff is going to be exposed and cleaned up eventually to the point where very little of it will be happening.

Yes, but by God, by the Lord Jesus. We know from Matthew 18 that causing children to stumble is what causes the millstone to be hung around your neck and for you to be cast into the sea. That is what happens to Mystery, Babylon the Great.

 

[znpaaneah]

Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.

OK, we can rule out Iraq once and for all. No one is looking at Iraq and claiming it is the glory of Kingdoms. This can only refer to the US at this moment in time. Chaldeans are always likened to great warriors. Ever since WW2 the US military has been seen as the elite among the elite when it comes to warriors. Our Army rangers and Navy seals are held in the highest regard among all militaries. The Israeli military is also highly regarded. But this would not refer to the Catholic church or the Vatican. Even if the Vatican is corrupt and profligate, it is not like Sodom and Gomorrah, nor does it have a highly regarded military. This definitely does not refer to France and Italy. Ever since WW2 their armies are frequently mocked and ridiculed. No one would liken those two countries to the "glory of kingdoms". They have some nice artwork and operas, but their economies are nothing to be boasting about.

This verse rules out the Vatican, they do not have an elite army like the US does. This verse also rules out Islam, they are not like Sodom and Gomorrah. This also rules out Russia and France and Italy and Greece, they are not the glory of kingdoms. The only place that fits this bill as well as the place people fled to for religious freedom and the place that the Jews will come out of when going to Israel during the tribulation is the US. The US was a mystery at the time of John, so calling it "Mystery, Babylon the Great" makes sense.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Rev 18:18,19

What are you intending to say by referencing that passage? I don't know how you interpret it.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You have to have your interpretation fit every verse, not just some of them.

I do.

Revelation 18 says the merchants mourn because no one will buy their stuff anymore, that is not spiritual, that is commercial.

Why are you taking the description of a symbolic entity literally? It's all symbolic text.

The first mention of Babylon is a place where God's people are carried off to. After 70 AD the Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth and during the church age the only country where you could flee to for religious freedom was the US.

Babylon is "the hold of EVERY foul spirit, and a cage of EVERY unclean and hateful bird." (Rev 18:2). That does not describe any one earthly city or nation.

 

[beedoux]

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[znpaaneah]

Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.

In the Bible the great city is Jerusalem, it is not Rome, or London or Washington DC. This is confirmed when it also says "and the cities of the nations fell". The nations refer to every country other than Israel. So at the same time that Jerusalem in split into three parts cities like London, Paris, Hong Kong, and Berlin fall. And, God remembers Babylon. Clearly Babylon is not Jerusalem, it is not Israel. We have already ruled out Rome and Iraq. The full fury of God's wrath is drained on Babylon. Once again this would put the US at the top of the list of who the Bible is talking about. At the time of John "all the nations" would have included everyone in the Eastern hemisphere but not the US. They were not a nation at that time and they did not have any cities at that time. Rome was a city, you would think if John is talking about "the cities of the nations" that would certainly include Rome.

 

[beedoux]

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[znpaaneah]

Islam has turned East Jerusalem into a harlot with the Temple Mount 'sitting upon' it.

I get that Islam is going to play the role of the villain during the events in the book of Revelation, but Mystery, the Great Babylon will be gone without any remembrance during those events. So I don't see Islam as the Great Babylon. I see the destruction of the US to be the event that thrusts us into the tribulation period in Revelation.

1. As long as the US is a superpower how is the Antichrist going to be able to become a ruler over the whole world?

2. If the US were destroyed in a massive surprise attack destroying us economically in an hour it would have massive repercussions worldwide. This is how Satan and Freemasons operate, they will create a crisis so that the whole world is begging for the solution they always wanted to give us in the first place.

3. There must be a massive collapse of worldwide economy, food shortages and pandemic to get the whole world to agree to the mark of the beast. The destruction of the US would be that event.

 

[znpaaneah]

Isaiah 14:22 “I will rise up against them,” declares the Lord of hosts, “and will cut off from Babylon name and remnant, descendants and posterity,” declares the Lord.

Babylon being destroyed is not Armageddon. It takes place at the start of the tribulation, not at the end. Therefore how could it be anywhere in Europe. The Antichrist will definitely make Europe and the Middle East the center of his kingdom. But this verse says that the name will be cut off, the remnant will be cut off, the descendants will be cut off and the posterity will be cut off. Look at the book of Revelation and all the prophecies of the day of the Lord, the one thing that is not mentioned is the US, they have been cut off.

Anyone who expounds the book of Revelation has to address the fact that the US is missing from the account.

 

[znpaaneah]

Revelation 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.”

Babel was where all these abominations came from. We should realize that this spirit has been operating in the sons of disobedience ever since the fall of man. But I am not looking at the Spiritual significance. Yes, you can look at FreeMasons, Illuminati, and all those secret societies, witchcraft, etc. But again, I am looking for the land that is going to be judged. Egypt, Greece, Islam, China, India, etc. They all have their idols. But none of them is the "mother of them all" anymore than the US is. However, that spirit of Babylon is operating in the US. Obama fashioning the stage for the DNC as the altar of Zeus is an example, all the various demons and false gods being worshipped in the music industry is another example, Trump building Trump tower as a temple to Baal is a third example. This spirit is operating today in the children of disobedience.

If I look at this verse alone, without all the previous verses I would think of either the Vatican or England as "the mother". You can say that the US is the daughter of England, and you can say that the Catholic church is the mother of all the protestant denominations. But the verse is not spoken in isolation and we are told specifically that no verse is of its own interpretation. This verse must align with all the other verses I have looked at so far, and all of those point to the United States being Babylon the Great. Yes, some of them can also refer to Israel and some can also refer to the Vatican. But so far only the US can be seen in every verse. Therefore I see this as the spirit that is operating in the US.

Therefore I would have to say the Mother of prostitutes refers to multinational corporations like Coca Cola, McDonalds, etc. It refers to the Stock exchange. And the earth's abominations would refer to the things that the US has made. Bioweapons are an abomination. Nuclear bombs are an abomination. AI, robots, and the Beast system will be an abomination. The mark of the beast is an abomination. Hollywood movies and the music industries records are abominations.

 

[znpaaneah]

Jeremiah 20:5 Moreover, I will give all the wealth of the city, all its gains, all its prized belongings, and all the treasures of the kings of Judah into the hand of their enemies, who shall plunder them and seize them and carry them to Babylon.

What are the prized possessions of the Jews? Surely it is the Bible, it is the stories. They have all been taken by Hollywood. Think of the movies "The Ten Commandments" and "It's a Beautiful Life". Those are close to the story, then you have corruptions like the Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter movies. In the Lord of the Rings they describe "the return of the king". You have Messiah like figures and Satan like figures. The Harry Potter movies are about "the boy who lived". So Hollywood moves from a movie like the Ten Commandments clearly a Biblical story, to It's a Beautiful Life, clearly with Biblical references mixed with superstition, to fantasy with hobbits, goblins, dragons, all seeing eye, rings of power, and the return of the king. From there they mix in witchcraft to now make the Messiah, the boy who lived is also the one who is to come, they make him a witch. Iran did not do this, Israel did not do this, Iraq did not do this. No, this was Hollywood. They have plundered the Bible and all the stories. Think of the Lion King, or CS Lewis movies, or any of a long list.

So far we have been given ten pieces of information describing the Great Babylon at the end of the age:

1. Is the place where the believers moved to. That could be the US or Israel.

2. They were the country that God considered His people that practiced abortion (could be US or Israel) and

3. also celebrated the star of Replan (can only refer to the US as that is the star on the top of a Christmas tree)

4. It is also the country where the evangelists to the whole world sent out the message (can’t refer to Israel, could refer to the US or the UK)

5. It is the nation that made all the nations of the earth drink the wind of the passion of her sexual immorality (can only refer to the US)

6. They are the glory of Kingdoms (can only refer to the US)

7. It is where the most elite military is (Can refer to the US and Israel)

8. They have become like Sodom and Gomorrah (Can refer to both the US and Israel)

9. It is clear in Revelation 16 that Jerusalem is not the Great Babylon and neither are the cities of the nations. Given the context of when the book of Revelation was written this could only refer to the US.

10. We are told that the Great Babylon will be thoroughly and utterly cut off and sure enough in the book of Revelation we see absolutely nothing concerning the US. The fact that the last seven years center on the Middle East and Israel is proof positive that they are not the Great Babylon that is judged at the start of the tribulation.

Every jot and tittle will be fulfilled, if an interpretation does not fit with every jot and tittle it must be adjusted so that it does.

 

[beedoux]

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[znpaaneah]

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns".

John is taken into the DESERT to see the judgment of the great harlot. Rome does NOT reside in the desert, Mecca and Medina do.