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The 1700th Anniversary of the Firt Nicean Council

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The Vatican is making a great deal of the 1700th yearly anniversary of the
first Nicean council.

Of course, some of the Protestant groups (which came into prominence
about 1200 years after this first Nicene Council, have made it part of their
denominational theologies that there was a great falling away of the Church
from orthodox doctrine after the end of the first century. And, that orthodox
theology was only recovered during the Protestant Reformation.

Unfortunately, (I assert), that there is no evidence of such a falling away.
And although the Protestant groups claim to be recovering "the faith of the
Early Church", there is not evidence that the theologies that were
"recovered", should replace the faith that the 4th century Church very
clearly expresses.

Note that the style of the artwork in the Vatican announcement, is Greek.
And, the Nicene Creed was written in common Greek. And, that the
"Early Church" of the first 3 centuries was primarily a Church filled with
the lower classes, and women, who spoke the common Greek of the
New Testament. It is not until the Emperor Constantine declared his
support for Christianity, that you have the upper Roman classes coming
into the Church. And then, the language of the Church changes from common
Greek, to Latin.

Protestant deminations that accept the theology of the early centuries of
Christianity, are said to have "high church" theologies. Those that do not,
are said to have "low church" theologies. You will have the low church
theology groups commonly rejecting the Church's assertions about the
Trinity.
 

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And then, the language of the Church changes from common
Greek, to Latin.

This is incorrect. The Bible and the liturgy of the Western Church was translated to Latin to better serve the less wealthy who were not educated in Greek, during the reign of St. Victor as the archbishop of the Roman Church in the second century. Greek remained in use, and never completely disappeared, being used to this day (Kyrie Eleison for example).

The Eastern churches always used Greek, Syriac Aramaic, Coptic, and other languages such as Classical Armenian, Ge’ez, Georgian, Arabic, Church Slavonic, and more recently Romanian, Albanian, Finnish, Estonian and other vernaculars, as appropriate.
 
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This is incorrect. The Bible and the liturgy of the Western Church was translated to Latin to better serve the less wealthy who were not educated in Greek, during the reign of St. Victor as the archbishop of the Roman Church in the second century. Greek remained in use, and never completely disappeared, being used to this day (Kyrie Eleison for example).

The Eastern churches always used Greek, Syriac Aramaic, Coptic, and other languages such as Classical Armenian, Ge’ez, Georgian, Arabic, Church Slavonic, and more recently Romanian, Albanian, Finnish, Estonian and other vernaculars, as appropriate.

I believe that I got this information from the historian Mary Beard, in her book SPQR.

This is not a history written by the Church (obviously), but goes through the
large changes in attitudes toward Christianity, after the emperor Constantine
decreed that Christianity was now "legal".

Note that the versions of the Nicene Creed, in the councils of Nicea, are all
in Greek.
 
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This is not a history written by the Church (obviously), but goes through the
large changes in attitudes toward Christianity, after the emperor Constantine
decreed that Christianity was now "legal".

Indeed, but like many books by Western historians, it is inaccurate in its treatment of the Eastern churches.

By the way, what I am saying is not controversial or disputed among scholars, whether Christian or secular, and can be readily gleaned from even the most accessible sources of docuemntation on the history of Eastern Christianity, which, as a matter of fact, did not use Latin (except for the Romanians, Moldovans and Aromanians, who speak a language derived from a Vulgar Latin dialect), did not write any of their theological works in Latin, and indeed, none of the seven Ecumenical councils were conducted in Latin, and at the aforesaid councils only a few of the attendees, such as Emperor Constantine and Emperor Justinian, and the handful of legates sent by the Bishop of Rome (no Bishop of Rome - they were not styled Pope until the sixth century, after the first five councils had happened, attended one of the seven ecumenical synods personally, except perhaps the sixth, I can’t remember, although I doubt it; indeed, even at the councils the Roman Church actively participated in, at Ephesus and Chalcedon*, the Roman bishops were not personally present but interacted with through legations and correspondence, notably the Tome of Leo; Rome did not participate in the Second Ecumenical Council at all.


This council, which was received by the rest of the church as Ecumenical after the fact, is responsible for the current version of the Nicene Creed (which was revised at that council in 381 BC), but which was actually initially a local council of the Church of Constantinople convened by St. Gregory the Theologian, who, exhausted, resigned early into the council, but the council did good work in terms of refining the Creed to exclude the Semi-Arians and Pneumatomachs (those who denied the Holy Spirit) and the Apollinarians (who believed our Lord had a human body and a divine soul, rather than being fully human and fully God, which was the position of the Nicene fathers such as St. Athanasius of Alexandria and their allies such as St. Gregory the Theologian). So at the second Council, it is possible no one present even spoke Latin as the language was not widely used in the Eastern Roman Empire (conversely, Greek was always widely used in ancient Rome, being the language associated with philosophy, taught to Patrician and Equestrian youths at in the Rhaetor, the Roman equivalent of high school, from which we get the Greek word Rhaetoric.
*The Council of Chalcedon Leo I tried to prevent, but he was unsuccessful, thus he made his weight felt with a Tome which was unhelpful and contributed to the schism with the Oriental Orthodox and the short-lived ascendancy of certain bishops who were crypto-Nestorians, such as the sinister figure of Ibas; this was reversed under Emperor Justinian, who initially was a great friend of the Oriental churches, even marrying St. Theodora, a woman venerated by both the Chalcedonians and the Oriental Orthodox, who was Syriac Orthodox, and who would later thwart his attempts to arrest the Syriac Orthodox bishop St. Jacob bar Addai, after the rest of the Oriental Orthodox bishops of Antioch had been arrested, and St. Jacob, known in the west as Baradaeus, proceeded to ordain a few hundred bishops, making the Syriac Orthodox invulnerable to further attempts at decapitation, and the perjorative title “Jacobite” is used in India by the Mar Thoma Christians under the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch).

Edward Gibbon, for all his faults, at least did not make that mistake, although I do not by any means suggest The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which he attributes to Christianity, when it was much more complex, although one thing he did get right was the adverse impact on the Byzantine Empire caused by Justinian’s persecution of the Oriental Orthodox.
 
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