Rosie can't understand how Trump was elected

[GoldenBoy89]

I'm pretty convinced that the truncated time-table benefitted Harris. If she had more time to campaign, I think she would have done even worse. Anyone who was "not Trump" was going to make it close.

Yes the democrats throwing her into an already failing campaign against a political juggernaut sure was a huge advantage to the lady running for president of the United States.

 

[RDKirk]

That's only trivially true. Trump's popularity was superficial. He narrowly won by swaying narrowly targeted low-information voters in swing states, many of whom immediately regretted their decision once he imposed tariffs.

The GOP simply doesn't have the mandate it thinks it does.

The vast majority of voters are "low information" voters, frankly.

That's just a pejorative of the left wing along with "deplorables" that helped the Democratic Party drive away what had been their core demographic.

 

[Laodicean60]

They did not educate the public that the president cannot control inflation, and acknowledged that inflation is a real issue. They downplayed its significance too much.

The people in government are ignorant about the economy, blind leading the blind. Do you think any Democrat will educate the people about the inflation that was caused by fiscal policies during the Biden admin?

President Biden should have considered stepping down in early 2024 due to cognitive decline.

But no one on the left wanted him to until after the debate.

• The Democratic Party should have held primaries, allowing American citizens to vote for their preferred DNC nominee.
• The DNC should never have accepted Harris as their nominee without any votes being cast.

How the DNC came up with Harris is beyond me.

here are some of the reasons why Democrats lost:

You forgot the main reason they lost was the economy and immigration.

 

[RDKirk]

Voters need to look at facts and assume what he says--based on his history--are not factual.
Biden had an extraordinary record of accomplishment. The economy soared. He got hit with global inflation--but we recovered more quickly. His efforts for comprehensive immigration reform were derailed by Republicans.
Historians placed him at about #12 of 46.
And yet voters believed lies.
When I looked at someone whose historical position as worst of the worst will be safe for centuries to come managing to successfully trash Biden I couldn't believe it.
A glib disinformation campaign hoodwinked voters.

Those who voted for Trump largely responded to the question, "Do I think my life will be better in four years '...if this goes on?'" and got the answer "No." The Democratic Party forgot that the largest voting segment is still white heterosexual high school graduates, and particularly white men. There was nothing in their platform speaking to that segment.

To be honest, if the "Project 2025" information hadn't surfaced, there would have been a much larger defection of black men from the Democratic Pary.

 

[RDKirk]

I wonder if there’s some relation between those two things.

My point was that her campaign had only 100 days to introduce her to the voters while Trump has been omnipresent in politics for a decade now. That she got as many votes as she did speaks to just how evenly split the country is on Trump.

Umm, well, she was Vice-President for four years, so she was in a dandy position to be introduced to the voters. It was pretty obvious that they were keeping her out of sight.
Who else did the Democratic Party intend to run? Any fool should have known it couldn't have been Biden again.

The Democratic Party lost this election when they selected the 2020 candidate even Democrats liked least to be their 2024 candidate.

 

[Laodicean60]

He on the other hand has been a perfect angel that whole time.

I've given my comments about Trump in the past maybe you forgot. Perfect angel no, but who is? I wasn't going to vote for Trump because of his divisiveness until Harris came along and I gave her the benefit of the doubt and failed.

Not at all, she was a poor candidate but I’m saying what she was up against has been a nonstop campaign since before he ever became president.

Yes he was running for president and did not hold back on any liberal including Harris.

Trump has been building his influence for a long time while she was thrown into the middle of a presidential race that was not actually her election to begin with.

No, Trump's influence came because of the left-wing reporting about him, I think the media helped him beat Cruz who I was behind. Trump got a lot of air time which worked to his advantage. Today left-wing media continues to use Trump as Putin's buddy which all stemmed from a lie of Russian collusion.

Trump had a huge advantage in getting his message out and seizing the narrative throughout the election

The only thing you don't understand is his stance has been the same since the 80s. Immigration was new and he capitalized on it since all the previous administrations only talked about it and blamed the other. I am glad that he is working on the debt that Republicans have been "talking" about for the last 17 years he must have learned something about debt during his time off because he was a spender in his first term.

 

[probinson]

Yes the democrats throwing her into an already failing campaign against a political juggernaut sure was a huge advantage to the lady running for president of the United States.

It really was. Did you see her popularity numbers at the time? They skyrocketed! But the more she talked, the less people liked what they heard. It's probably why she couldn't even mount a successful primary campaign in 2020 and had to drop out. A truncated time-table meant Democrats could really exploit the "not-Trump" angle without worrying about whether or not they had appointed a good candidate.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It really was.

Clearly, as seen by the huge victory they had last November

 

[probinson]

Clearly, as seen by the huge victory they had last November

The loss would have likely been even worse if the Democrats had intentionally chosen Harris sooner. But if there had been a primary, I sincerely doubt Harris would have emerged as the candidate. Which is why I maintain that the truncated time-table was to her benefit.

 

[FireDragon76]

The vast majority of voters are "low information" voters, frankly.

Many Americans don't take practicing informed citizenship very seriously. When you have places like Texas banning teaching critical thinking in schools, citizens are ill-equipped to think about important matters in anything but the most trivial ways.

That's just a pejorative of the left wing along with "deplorables" that helped the Democratic Party drive away what had been their core demographic.

That was more or less set in motion in the 1960's with the passing of the Civil Rights Act. LBJ is said to have admitted as much privately, but did so anyways. But he knew the powerful pull of racial resentment, also.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The people in government are ignorant about the economy, blind leading the blind. Do you think any Democrat will educate the people about the inflation that was caused by fiscal policies during the Biden admin?

But no one on the left wanted him to until after the debate.

How the DNC came up with Harris is beyond me.

You forgot the main reason they lost was the economy and immigration.

Every country experienced inflation after the pandemic. The United Kingdom, with conservative leaders and policies, faced significant inflation; Germany, with centrist leaders and policies, couldn't stop inflation; China, with authoritarian policies, couldn't control inflation; and India, with nationalistic and isolationist policies, also couldn't stop inflation after the pandemic. Canada with liberal policy couldn’t control inflation. Inflation remains high worldwide. It was not President Biden's policy that caused the inflation, but the pandemic which affected the entire world for two years.

However, I recognize that some conservatives have attributed the inflation to President Biden's administration. Understanding the root causes of inflation requires a basic knowledge of economics, but many Americans lack such foundational economic knowledge. The Democratic Party and the Biden administration downplayed the issue of inflation and failed to adequately explain its causes to the public. Conversely, conservatives managed to attribute the blame to the Biden administration, and the American public accepted this narrative.

You are correct about immigration. President Biden did not have any immigration policy and adopted a liberal stance that only 15% of Americans supported. For three years, he did not address border crossing issues. When he tried to act in the fourth year, it was too late. Consequently, Americans rejected the Democrats' stance by electing President Trump.

 

[probinson]

Many Americans don't take practicing informed citizenship very seriously. When you have places like Texas banning teaching critical thinking in schools, citizens are ill-equipped to think about important matters in anything but the most trivial ways.

Oh the irony...

Texas didn't ban teaching "critical thinking".

Casting the nomination of Ted Cruz for U.S. Senate as a harbinger of doom, Collins wrote that Texas "does tend to treasure the extreme" in politics, saying, "The current Republican state platform calls for an end to the teaching of ‘critical thinking’ in public schools."​

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Munisteri told KVUE, "The platform plank is against a specific type of teaching called 'outcome-based education.'​

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"The reason why critical thinking is mentioned is some places try to disguise the program of outcome-based education and just re-label it as 'critical thinking.' "​

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That’s supported by the wording in the platform.​

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Gail Collins says Texas GOP platform calls for schools to stop teaching “critical thinking”

New York Times columnist Gail Collins’ latest book, "As Texas Goes," takes the state to task for, well, being Texas. And

www.politifact.com

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[probinson]

Every country experienced inflation after the pandemic.

The pandemic didn't cause inflation. The policies enacted by governments all over the world caused inflation.

 

[Yttrium]

That's only trivially true. Trump's popularity was superficial. He narrowly won by swaying narrowly targeted low-information voters in swing states, many of whom immediately regretted their decision once he imposed tariffs.

The GOP simply doesn't have the mandate it thinks it does.

Trump is great at spreading paranoia and making grandiose promises. Lots of people eat it up.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. There are clearly enough people who will happily get fooled by Trump to keep him going.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The vast majority of voters are "low information" voters, frankly.

That's just a pejorative of the left wing along with "deplorables" that helped the Democratic Party drive away what had been their core demographic.

Who is the core demographic of Democrats?

 

[FireDragon76]

The people in government are ignorant about the economy, blind leading the blind. Do you think any Democrat will educate the people about the inflation that was caused by fiscal policies during the Biden admin?

Most of the policies that caused inflation were set about in the late Trump presidency. The wealthy ended up securing alot of money through poorly regulated grant giveaways and corporate welfare which ended up landing in the hands of people that least needed help during the pandemic. That lead to too many dollars chasing too few assets, which is actually how inflation really happens. Central bank monetary policies are just crude tools used to try to control inflation, whereas tax and spending policies directly address the causes of inflation.

 

[Laodicean60]

Every country experienced inflation after the pandemic

Because of government fiscal policy. I've said this in the past I don't blame Biden's response because we were in uncharted territory but if our politicians knew anything about supply and demand, stimulus and lockdowns could have been shortened.

However, I recognize that some conservatives have attributed the inflation to President Biden's administration.

Yes.

You are correct about immigration. President Biden did not have any immigration policy and adopted a liberal stance that only 15% of Americans supported. For three years, he did not address border crossing issues. When he tried to act in the fourth year, it was too late. Consequently, Americans rejected the Democrats' stance by electing President Trump.

The whole problem is that we don't listen to each other and politicians never admit they are wrong. You are probably the only one who knows this because before you came to this forum the arguments were blaming Republicans for not signing a bill, and my argument was why Biden waited so long because of an upcoming election. What I hate about politics is the politics.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The pandemic didn't cause inflation. The policies enacted by governments all over the world caused inflation.

Well, you and I disagree on this. As I have previously stated, conservative, centrist, liberal, isolationist, and even authoritarian policies have all failed to control inflation. If any policy could effectively manage inflation, at least one country would experience lower inflation rates.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Because of government fiscal policy. I've said this in the past I don't blame Biden's response because we were in uncharted territory but if our politicians knew anything about supply and demand, stimulus and lockdowns could have been shortened.

Yes.

The whole problem is that we don't listen to each other and politicians never admit they are wrong. You are probably the only one who knows this because before you came to this forum the arguments were blaming Republicans for not signing a bill, and my argument was why Biden waited so long because of an upcoming election. What I hate about politics is the politics.

Politics in America has often been divisive. Politicians have frequently been corrupt, engaging primarily in political maneuvering. Regardless of whether they are Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian, politicians have historically manipulated public.

Today's biggest issue is not politicians, but regular Americans. If we disagree on policies, we often label others as anti-American, racist, against free speech or democracy, or globalists and on and on all the negative adjective you can come up with.

We need to return to a time when we could disagree with fellow Americans but still believe they love America as much as we do and want to improve it.

 

[Laodicean60]

Today's biggest issue is not politicians, but regular Americans.

Amen! As long as we keep beating our drums the Politicians will follow suit.

We need to return to a time when we could disagree with fellow Americans but still believe they love America as much as we do and want to improve it.

Amen again! Like when I was a kid. Before G Bush, it seemed presidents like Clinton and Reagan could at least compromise but politics is so nasty today that Dems and Reps can't be in the same room with their counterparts.