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Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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Where I work the first Christmas decorations for sale were already up at the end of July. Right now there is a mix of Christmas and Halloween decor for sale. It's bizarre hearing the life size werewolf howling while Hark the Herald Angels Sing is playing from a small Christmas toy, on the same aisle.

But Capitalism is gonna Capitalism.

-CryptoLutheran

In my youth I would get upset when the back to school merchandise came out aroumd the start of August. I mean, we all knew our summer vacation was coming to an end, but did they have to rub it in? The poor kids following us, well, I remember a few years later seeing back to school products in mid July. And now probably they have them in June based on current trends.

By the way, your post also reminds me of “The nightmare before Christmas” by Tim Burton, a film which I have always loathed. I particularly hate what Disneyland does to the Haunted Mansion “Holiday Edition.”
 
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In my youth I would get upset when the back to school merchandise came out aroumd the start of August. I mean, we all knew our summer vacation was coming to an end, but did they have to rub it in?
Me too.
But in our case, the merchandise often came out before we'd even broken up! It was like we had to be reminded of school - just in case we might forget.
 
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Similar here - though no decorations yet.
Christmas cards were on sale in September and for those wishing to make their own, Hobbycraft had a display in August!

It drives me absolute bonkers. I'm with you when you said you'd prefer till mid-December.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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In my youth I would get upset when the back to school merchandise came out aroumd the start of August. I mean, we all knew our summer vacation was coming to an end, but did they have to rub it in? The poor kids following us, well, I remember a few years later seeing back to school products in mid July. And now probably they have them in June based on current trends.

By the way, your post also reminds me of “The nightmare before Christmas” by Tim Burton, a film which I have always loathed. I particularly hate what Disneyland does to the Haunted Mansion “Holiday Edition.”

At the office yesterday they were getting ready to put up a new display, think snowmen, but jack o'lanterns, with antlers. It was incredibly ridiculous. Not mad at it, because it's whatever. Just thought it was ridiculous.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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At the office yesterday they were getting ready to put up a new display, think snowmen, but jack o'lanterns, with antlers. It was incredibly ridiculous. Not mad at it, because it's whatever. Just thought it was ridiculous.

-CryptoLutheran

I would be angry, offended according to my faith - to the point of filing a discrimination claim. Such a decoration infringes on the feast of All Saints as celebrated on the calendar used by Western Rite Orthodox (at least, by the Antiochian Western Rite Vicarate, which I greatly love, but I think the ROCOR WRV celebrates that feast on October 1st and the Sunday folowing, and other Western liturgical churches such as TLM communities, Continuing Anglo-Catholics, Lutheran Evangelical Catholics, liturgical Methodists, liturgical Congregationalists and Reformed Catholics, etc, and on the Feast of the Nativity as celebrated by everyone (even Armenians, who celebrate it together with the Baptism of our Lord on January 6th)*

*n Jerusalem like all Eastern Christians in the Hagiopolis they use the Julian Calendar so celebrate the Nativity with the Theophany (the Feast of the Baptism of our Lord) on the same day the Eastern Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox and Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox,
 
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Similar here - though no decorations yet.
Christmas cards were on sale in September and for those wishing to make their own, Hobbycraft had a display in August!
Reminds me of the Charley Brown Thanksgiving that my kids could quote from memory when they were younger.

Sally: I went down to get a Turkey Tree and all they had was things for Christmas.
Charley: Christmas !? Already !?
Linus: Sally, Thanksgiving is a very important holiday Ours was the first country to set aside a day for giving Thanks.
Sally : I haven't finished eating all my Halloween Candy YET !!!!
 
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There are many things in general in addition to the Bible. That's life. But what things we do because we are Christian should have basis from the Bible. Things that are from pagans have been passed on to us, snuck in as Christian. With awareness we can know things like that, which are really not from Christianity and what the Bible does not give basis for. There is the Christmas story. That is in the Bible, we know. Celebrating it and observing one day for that is not at all in it, though. There are only a couple of birthdays referred to in the Bible, being celebrated, that of King Herod and that of the king of Persia in the book of Esther. While we can speak of the account of Christ's birth we can really do that anytime, he wasn't born at that Christmas time anyway. Most other things with it have foreign and pagan sources for observance. We know also why we would observe it. Christians may be more bold speaking of Jesus with speaking of the Christmas story, to what family they gather with at that time that are not Christian. That is the basis original Christians had observing that time with their families of nonbelievers they joined with at that time then, surely. It just continues from that, but not with any support from the Bible. Still there are things for observing shown in the Bible, that are generally being neglected... others are not doing things to observe those so most won't start with any of those things.
 
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There are many things in general in addition to the Bible. That's life. But what things we do because we are Christian should have basis from the Bible. Things that are from pagans have been passed on to us, snuck in as Christian. With awareness we can know things like that, which are really not from Christianity and what the Bible does not give basis for. There is the Christmas story. That is in the Bible, we know. Celebrating it and observing one day for that is not at all in it, though. There are only a couple of birthdays referred to in the Bible, being celebrated, that of King Herod and that of the king of Persia in the book of Esther. While we can speak of the account of Christ's birth we can really do that anytime, he wasn't born at that Christmas time anyway. Most other things with it have foreign and pagan sources for observance. We know also why we would observe it. Christians may be more bold speaking of Jesus with speaking of the Christmas story, to what family they gather with at that time that are not Christian. That is the basis original Christians had observing that time with their families of nonbelievers they joined with at that time then, surely. It just continues from that, but not with any support from the Bible. Still there are things for observing shown in the Bible, that are generally being neglected... others are not doing things to observe those so most won't start with any of those things.
Honoring God is Biblical. Remember too that in early Christianity there was no Bible.
 
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You can no more separate materialism from Christmas than you can separate wetness from rain. The two go hand in hand.
I do not know where you live, but near me there are churches that feed and shelter homeless people over Christmas, it can be celebrated on retreat, a family can all give each other Christian charity donations. It is not even hard to separate materialism from Christmas.
 
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There is the Christmas story. That is in the Bible, we know. Celebrating it and observing one day for that is not at all in it, though.
THe Heavenly Host celebrated His coming. I think that's a good example to follow. Saying "it doesn' say we should celebrated on one day" is doctrinal pecksniffery, equivalent to saying "well we don't celebrate His coming on one particular day". Fine, don't.
There are only a couple of birthdays referred to in the Bible, being celebrated, that of King Herod and that of the king of Persia in the book of Esther.
So?
While we can speak of the account of Christ's birth we can really do that anytime
Then 25 December is fine too. Oh come let us adore Him, Christ the Lord!

wasn't born at that Christmas time anyway.
Irrelevant. We don't celebrate the date.
Most other things with it have foreign and pagan sources for observance.
Oh, is this where you regale with with rubbish about "Mithra" and Saturnalia" and every pagan solstice/harvest/whatever stuff that some long dead pagan may or may not have observed at some time or another? Why should I, or anyone else, possibly care? Ancient pagans believe stupid things - stipulated. How much attention should modern day Christians pay to those ancient pagans' presumptive stupid beliefs? Easy - none.


Christians may be more bold speaking of Jesus with speaking of the Christmas story,
One would hope. Unless, or course, they keep silent for fear of offending ancient pagans', I guess.
to what family they gather with at that time that are not Christian.
Not sure what that meant, but since pretty much all my kinfolks are Christians that's not really an issue for me.
not with any support from the Bible.
except that the Heavely Host celebrated on His birth, and at no other time that we know of. Makes for a ptryy sound example to me.
Still there are things for observing shown in the Bible,
Yeah, so we're freqently rold. It generally comes comes down to any feast or observance that doesn't mention our Lord Christ. Doesn't that strike you as a little weird?
that are generally being neglected..
So we should neglect the observation of the two most important events in the history of the world - the coming of our Lord, and His resurrection, Right? Nah. I'll "neglect", oh, let's say, Tabernacles (not given to either the ancient Celts or the ancient Hangooksaram from whom I'm descended), and celebrate the feasts that honor our Lord Christ. You're obviously free to do as you please.
 
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Honoring God is Biblical. Remember too that in early Christianity there was no Bible.

Honoring God is biblical. Yes.

In early Christianity believers gathered at the synagogue on Sabbath and heard what was read from the Bible that was then available.

This is an often repeated falsehood.

No, it is not. If you have points to make, say them.

I do not know where you live, but near me there are churches that feed and shelter homeless people over Christmas, it can be celebrated on retreat, a family can all give each other Christian charity donations. It is not even hard to separate materialism from Christmas.

That's great. Christians can never help the poor as much as the aid they had which is now taken from them. Nothing is in place to help them as much. It is great to feed and shelter those in need but this should not be one day in the year, it really could be done more.

THe Heavenly Host celebrated His coming. I think that's a good example to follow. Saying "it doesn' say we should celebrated on one day" is doctrinal pecksniffery, equivalent to saying "well we don't celebrate His coming on one particular day". Fine, don't.

So?

Then 25 December is fine too. Oh come let us adore Him, Christ the Lord!

Irrelevant. We don't celebrate the date.
Oh, is this where you regale with with rubbish about "Mithra" and Saturnalia" and every pagan solstice/harvest/whatever stuff that some long dead pagan may or may not have observed at some time or another? Why should I, or anyone else, possibly care? Ancient pagans believe stupid things - stipulated. How much attention should modern day Christians pay to those ancient pagans' presumptive stupid beliefs? Easy - none.



One would hope. Unless, or course, they keep silent for fear of offending ancient pagans', I guess.

Not sure what that meant, but since pretty much all my kinfolks are Christians that's not really an issue for me.

except that the Heavely Host celebrated on His birth, and at no other time that we know of. Makes for a ptryy sound example to me.

Yeah, so we're freqently rold. It generally comes comes down to any feast or observance that doesn't mention our Lord Christ. Doesn't that strike you as a little weird?

So we should neglect the observation of the two most important events in the history of the world - the coming of our Lord, and His resurrection, Right? Nah. I'll "neglect", oh, let's say, Tabernacles (not given to either the ancient Celts or the ancient Hangooksaram from whom I'm descended), and celebrate the feasts that honor our Lord Christ. You're obviously free to do as you please.

You want to follow the example in Heaven? It would be good if you do. Do you do so as much as I work to do?

I noticed in post from you that you are easily offended. I am not saying anything for you to not observe something, just saying what is in the Bible that isn't observed while there is that much observance using things that are not from the Bible. Whatever we do, that's just the way it is.

People, when you feel what you value is being attacked, whether it is or not, you lash back against things that are not said. Just address the points if you can.
 
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That's great. Christians can never help the poor as much as the aid they had which is now taken from them. Nothing is in place to help them as much. It is great to feed and shelter those in need but this should not be one day in the year, it really could be done more.
I do not know what you mean about "the aid they had", maybe because I am not in the USA.

I was responding to a statement that it is impossible to avoid materialism at Christmas, that is why I refferred to non-materialist ways to spend Christmas Day. All year round was not relevant.
 
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No, it is not. If you have points to make, say them
It is, and that is the point I was making.
The Church over time has established feast days throughout the entire year, yet Protestants like yourself seem under the impression that the Church only celebrates two feast days each year. Just as God established regular feast days for the Jews, the Church, which Christ gave authority, has seen fit to bring to remembrance events in the life of Christ and in His body, the Church. None of those feast days have their origin in paganism, not one.
 
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I do not know what you mean about "the aid they had", maybe because I am not in the USA.

I was responding to a statement that it is impossible to avoid materialism at Christmas, that is why I referred to non-materialist ways to spend Christmas Day. All year round was not relevant.

I saw a string of responses after my post, most were responding to me, and after responding to all those saw that your post was responding to someone else. That makes sense since I did not bring the materialism up. There really is so much materialism. But there is such help to others, it can be acknowledged. Since there is much more need, there should be more than what might come from churches on one day, still.

It is, and that is the point I was making.
The Church over time has established feast days throughout the entire year, yet Protestants like yourself seem under the impression that the Church only celebrates two feast days each year. Just as God established regular feast days for the Jews, the Church, which Christ gave authority, has seen fit to bring to remembrance events in the life of Christ and in His body, the Church. None of those feast days have their origin in paganism, not one.

I do not know why that was directed toward me. In another thread I just was referring to St. Patrick's Day. Yes, the Catholic Church has more feasts and observances. I do not have a problem looking to the Bible for the guidance, and no problem observing things in it even with ways of remembrance, and I still have nothing convincing me that your church is given authority to put other feasts in place for us all. Gift giving, decorating with greenery including trees and wreaths, kissing under a mistletoe, and caroling, for example, were practiced by others of different faiths before being adopted as a yearly practice by Christians.
 
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I do not know why that was directed toward me.
Really? I was answering your response to me. Why would it not be directed to you
In another thread I just was referring to St. Patrick's Day. Yes, the Catholic Church has more feasts and observances.
I am not Catholic nor was I referring to the Catholic Church.
I do not have a problem looking to the Bible for the guidance, and no problem observing things in it even with ways of remembrance, and I still have nothing convincing me that your church is given authority to put other feasts in place for us all. Gift giving, decorating with greenery including trees and wreaths, kissing under a mistletoe, and caroling, for example, were practiced by others of different faiths before being adopted as a yearly practice by Christians.
None of the above are Christmas traditions in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christmas trees are a late (16th century) tradition originating in Protestant Germany. Exchanging of gifts was originally associated with the feast day of St Basil in the East and the feast day of St Nicholas in the West.
 
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I do not know why that was directed toward me. In another thread I just was referring to St. Patrick's Day. Yes, the Catholic Church has more feasts and observances. I do not have a problem looking to the Bible for the guidance, and no problem observing things in it even with ways of remembrance, and I still have nothing convincing me that your church is given authority to put other feasts in place for us all. Gift giving, decorating with greenery including trees and wreaths, kissing under a mistletoe, and caroling, for example, were practiced by others of different faiths before being adopted as a yearly practice by Christians.
The problem is, there's little evidence any of the things you listed were brought into Christianity from those other faiths (or, indeed, that some of those were even practiced by other faiths). Gift giving is a particularly odd one to cite, as it is a fairly natural human inclination and occurs repeatedly throughout the Bible itself!

But the larger problem is that the things you cite seem to have only become a part of Christmas in the 16th century or possibly even later. What a lot of people do not realize about Christmas is the majority of things people associate with it are inventions of the last 500 years or so, sometimes far younger than that, which is far too late to come from other religions that had died out in Europe about a thousand years prior. The idea that these somehow date back to practices of other faiths simply doesn't add up when one considers when they were actually introduced.
 
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Important Note:
(Please read this before posting and or reading the rest of my OP):

I want to first say that I love you in the Lord Jesus Christ. I also want to say that I love all people. I am commanded by God to even love my enemies. My message today here is not that I want to be of hate or of malice, but of love. I say what I do in love to you. God tells me to even love the sinner and hate the sin. I am especially fond of my fellow Christians who truly desire to follow Christ and who seek to obey Him in everything that He tells us to do within His Word. That is what this thread is about. If you are offended by what I will say with Scripture, please know I am not saying I am better than you or that I do not care about you. I am nothing. The Lord our God is everything; And I love you deeply. I am merely calling you in love to follow God's Word and His Word alone. Only God can open our eyes, and change our hearts to see what His Word says in so many ways. I am only speaking and doing that which I believe is right by the Word of God. This thread is merely to show you what the Bible says about a popular celebration of the world when we compare it with Scripture. For surely we can love our families without a specific calendar day telling us to do so. We can most assuredly love our family by God's Word alone. In fact, speaking of God's Word, we are told within His Word to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21). We are to hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21). My friends, I call you all in love to look at the Holy Scriptures today with a fresh new pair of eyes. Before you begin, I would like you to take a moment and pray. I would like for you to pray to the Lord and ask Him for wisdom and understanding before reading what I am about to share with you in love involving the Scriptures. For I write this because I love you in Christ Jesus.
Side Note: Did you pray yet? Did you really do it? Please do so now if you have not done so. Anyways, may the Lord's love and goodness be upon you this day that the Lord has made.​


Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical.

#1. Christmas is not celebrated anywhere in the Bible.


(a) Jesus is not a baby right now but He is our risen Lord.
We are never told to honor just a baby Jesus alone,​
but we are told to live unto a risen Lord (2 Corinthians 5:15).​
Focusing on a baby version of Jesus (without mentioning the resurrection of Christ in our message) is to take the focus off of our risen Lord Jesus Christ. If our message does not include a risen Christ, then our preaching is in vain according to Paul:​
"And if Christ be not risen,​
then is our preaching vain,​
and your faith is also vain." (1 Corinthians 15:14).​
Tell me, does Christmas focus on a risen Lord or does it focus on His birth?​
(b) While there are biblical clues to Christ's birth date, the date of Christ's birth is nowhere specifically mentioned in the Bible and oddly his birth is coincidentally placed upon the date of the worship of other pagan gods, and a popular pagan festival, instead.​
Is it okay to worship God in any way we like? In Genesis 4, we see Cain trying to bring the harvest of the ground unto God as a sacrifice instead of offering an animal sacrifice like his brother Abel did correctly (See Genesis 4:3-7). Cain's offering was not accepted. His worship was not accepted. Why? Because he was doing his own thing. Cain grew angry and decided to kill his own brother over this. Friend, do you hate or dislike Christians who do not keep Christ-mass?​
Jesus says he seeks for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Are we worshiping in truth if there are some pagan elements (which are a lie) mixed in with the truth? Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life? (John 14:6). Jesus said, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shalt you serve." (Luke 4:8). But how can we worship God alone if we are involving pagan elements in our worship of Him. Was not Cain's offering of doing whatever he wanted not accepted by God? (See Genesis 4:5). Was Cain truly worshiping God alone by being obedient to him or was he worshiping God his own way?​

#2. Christmas Trees.
21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee.​
22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth."​
(Deuteronomy 16:21).​
2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.​
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.​
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4).​
Celts and druids (witches) believe trees are sacred or magical objects.​
Meaning, they holds some kind of significance spiritually for them.​
Even if you did not put up trees yourself.​
You cannot stop others from doing so.​
Christmas trees is about the holiday (holy day) season.​
Some people sing praises to the Christmas tree (without thinking about it) in Christmas carols. People give attention to a beautiful object and put presents around it (like a gift or offering) to this beautiful object. Some people dance around the Christmas tree. Sure seems like harmless fun, but what if the Bible is really condemning trees?​
Also, why would you want to imitate a practice that is similar to the druids and put up a sacred special tree in your home?​
Sure, they may not think it is a god or idol exactly because your not bowing down to it or praying to it, but does that mean we can just put statues of demonic idols in our home and God would be okay with that?​

#3. Do not imitate the heathen's ways or men's traditions.

Colossians 2:8 says,​
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."​
Is Christmas something in the Bible or is it more like a tradition of men and or after the rudiments of the world? Think about it. Should we let a world recognized holiday tell us how we are to worship our Lord? Or do we let the Bible alone tell us how we are to worship our Lord?​
"Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." (Romans 12:2) (NLT).​
"...Learn not the way of the heathen,..." (Jeremiah 10:2).​
But it has Jesus in the holiday and we focus on Jesus, so it is okay, right?​
It is written,​
"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2 Corinthians 11:4).​
Paul is saying to bear with them that preach another Jesus. He does not say to embrace another Jesus in whom they have not preached.​
The Jesus that is being preached in Christmas is a baby Jesus and how we must give honor to Him by exchanging gifts (sometimes going into debt) around a Christmas tree.​
In fact, 9 out of the 11 times the word "tradition" appears in the King James Bible, it is in reference to the traditions of men that were bad and not good (See this link here at BlueLetterBible). In fact, Jesus says that men were transgressing God's commands by their man made traditions. Christmas is a human tradition of man and it is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures; And we are told not to imitate the way of the heathen or the customs of the world. Christmas is very much a custom or celebration of the world.​

#4. True Giving vs Christmas Giving.

Do not give out of compulsion. For Paul says,​
"You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.""​
(2 Corinthians 9:7) (NLT).​
Yet, Christmas is a time where you feel compelled to give out of pressure.​
Christmas is also a time when it is about the exchange of gifts.​
Yet, Jesus says,​
Give without expecting anything in return.​
For do not sinners love their own?​
For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.​
"And if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what thanks have you? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. (Luke 6:34).​
32 "For if you love them who love you, what thanks have you? for sinners also love those that love them.​
33 And if you do good to them who do good to you, what thanks have you? for sinners also do even the same." (Luke 6:32-33).​
"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." (Luke 6:35).​
12 "Then said he also to him that bade him, When you give a dinner or a supper, call not your friends, nor your brethren, neither your kinsmen, nor your rich neighbors; lest they also bid you again, and a recompense be made you.​
13 But when you give a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:​
14 And you shall be blessed; for they cannot recompense you: for you shall be recompensed at the resurrection of the just." (Luke 14:12-14).​
8 "And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken anything from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.​
9 And Jesus said unto him, "This day is salvation come to this house,...""​
(Luke 19:8-9).​

#5. The focus of Christmas is materialism and not the worship of Christ on this day.

Most do not actually celebrate Jesus's birth on this day but they actually focus more on the gift giving and the decorating and in celebrating or having a good time with their family. For when the holidays come, do you prepare yourself in prayer, fasting, reading Scripture in order to worship Christ on Christmas? Or are you more focused on buying things for others and in getting together with your family to just have a good time? An insane amount of money is spent on Christmas each year and people have gone into financial debt as a result of it. Others beat each other up in department stores all in the spirit of Christmas. Is such a material focused holiday really something that is of God? How are you honoring Christ's birth truly? Are you focusing on those Scripture verses on the Nativity each year as a family? Do you and your family feel like you are drawing closer to God each year by celebrating the Lord's birth? Or is it more about the stuff with you saying that you are honoring Christ? I say this not to get you or anyone else here upset, but I say this as a means to examine yourself in your walk with the Lord in everything you do. To prove to you that Christmas is not materialistic, just tell your kids next year that they are not getting any gifts and watch their reaction. They have depended on being rich with things and not rich in the things of God. For some even look forward to Christmas just so as to receive money. However, the Bible says,​
10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.​
11 But you, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).​
#6. Be ye holy and separate from the world.

Atheists, psychics, and people of many faiths celebrate Christmas. It is the one time of year where everyone gets together to give and whereby some say they are doing it to honor Christ's birth. Everyone is one big happy family celebrating and exchanging gifts and excited over their newly received material goods. Everyone including Christ haters are celebrating Christmas along with Christ lovers. There is even an Atheist Christmas Carol (See here and or here). But the Bible says be ye holy (1 Peter 1:16), and be ye separate (2 Corinthians 6:17). The Bible says what fellowship does light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14). For it is written,​
17 "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,​
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:​
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.​
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;​
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:" (Ephesians 4:17-21).​
#7. Love not the things of this world.

In 1 John 2:15-17, it says love not the world, neither the things in this world, if any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.​
Christmas is technically a thing of this world. It is world recognized holiday.​
But if you tell people you stopped celebrating Christmas, expect some hateful comments from people. Why?​

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19).​
Colossians 3:1-3 says,​
"Since you were raised from the dead with Christ, aim at what is in heaven, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. Think only about the things in heaven, not the things on earth. Your old sinful self has died, and your new life is kept with Christ in God."​
Christmas is not something that is celebrated in Heaven. We are to think about the things in Heaven or above and not on the things of this Earth. Our focus should be on building ourselves up in righteousness, love, and faith according to God's Word and not according to the wisdom or ways of men.​

Anyways, I say all this in love and with the hope you will investigate the origins of Christmas on your own and seek the Scriptures with God in deep prayer and fasting on this matter. I know that if you will seek the truth, God will show it to you. Again, I say these things not condemn or hurt anyone but I say these things in love so as to answer the call of God in your Sanctification in being truly holy for the Lord. So..."Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16).
The Puritans in England, after the Parliamentarians won the English Civil War, tried to prohibit the public celebration of Christmas.
Later on, Puritans in places like Boston tried likewise.
 
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The Puritans in England, after the Parliamentarians won the English Civil War, tried to prohibit the public celebration of Christmas.
Later on, Puritans in places like Boston tried likewise.
Where do you think the term "Christmas" comes from? Christ mass.
Its Catholic in origin.
Unless you are a Catholic, I wouldn't celebrate it.
Not to mention the fruits of this holiday centers on greed, materialism, unnecessary financial debt, unbiblical giving, etcetera.

Granted, in the past, I used to justify this holiday to be with family, but I am glad I am no longer burdened by it.
Christmas will not be celebrated in the 1,000 year reign of Christ or on the New Earth.
Christmas is simply an invention within man's religion.
 
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Really? I was answering your response to me. Why would it not be directed to you

I am not Catholic nor was I referring to the Catholic Church.

None of the above are Christmas traditions in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christmas trees are a late (16th century) tradition originating in Protestant Germany. Exchanging of gifts was originally associated with the feast day of St Basil in the East and the feast day of St Nicholas in the West.

I asked because of your implication that I address only two feasts in a year. That is absolutely false, if it is directed toward me.

These traditions did not originate from Christianity. You can practice those, I do not say otherwise, they just did not originate from Christianity, and I can recognize this and say so. There were practices of those things a long time ago, by others while not by the Christians earlier.

The problem is, there's little evidence any of the things you listed were brought into Christianity from those other faiths (or, indeed, that some of those were even practiced by other faiths). Gift giving is a particularly odd one to cite, as it is a fairly natural human inclination and occurs repeatedly throughout the Bible itself!

But the larger problem is that the things you cite seem to have only become a part of Christmas in the 16th century or possibly even later. What a lot of people do not realize about Christmas is the majority of things people associate with it are inventions of the last 500 years or so, sometimes far younger than that, which is far too late to come from other religions that had died out in Europe about a thousand years prior. The idea that these somehow date back to practices of other faiths simply doesn't add up when one considers when they were actually introduced.

This is not to mean you cannot be involved in gift giving. But I can say as already pointed out that having one day in the year meant for exchange of gifts is not from Christianity. Do so anyway, or the other practices, no one is accusing you, this just was not from Christianity but practiced originally by others before Christians were involved in the one day in the year they practice the exchange of gifts. If you choose to do that fine but don't argue with those for their not doing so for this reason of it not coming from Christianity.
 
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