Can we be certain that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th?

[TheWayOfHoliness]

Can we be certain that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th? The Bible gives no exact date for His birth, so why celebrate on a date tied to pagan traditions?

The first recorded instance of December 25th being celebrated as Christ's birth comes from a Roman calendar in AD 336, long after it was used to celebrate Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun”). This date is speculated to have origins in ancient Babylon (approx. 2000 BC), marking the birth of Tammuz, and is celebrated after a woman’s typical gestation period following the pagan fertility festival of Easter. By aligning Christ’s birth with this pagan festival, we risk blending the worship of God with sun worship, which the Bible condemns (Romans 1:25).

Let’s also remember the abominable practices described in Ezekiel 8:16-18, where the people were worshipping the sun in God’s temple—an act of rebellion against God. As Ecclesiastes 1:9 reminds us, “There is nothing new under the sun”, and such practices persist even today.

Additionally, Jeremiah 10:2-5 warns against the customs of the nations, such as cutting, fastening in place and decorating trees with silver and gold—practices still reflected in today’s December 25th tradition. This mirrors an ancient pagan ritual that elevates the tree to the status of an idol.

In Deuteronomy 12:29-32, God specifically commands His people not to adopt the worship practices of other nations, emphasizing that worship must align with His word in Bible scripture, not with man-made traditions.

If you love the LORD God, flee from this pagan festival and don’t justify it for the sake of family. Jesus said, “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me” (Matthew 10:37 ESV).

We are commanded to worship God in spirit and truth. If the world or your family opposes you, rejoice, for your reward in heaven will be great. As they persecuted the prophets, so they will persecute you. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you, to Him be the glory, now and forever.

 

[d taylor]

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Christmas is definitely a human created celebration. Because there is no instruction from God in The Bible to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

 

[Bob Crowley]

There's a rather scholarly article here on the origins of Christmas and attempts to find out Christ's actual birth date.

How December 25 Became Christmas

How did December 25 come to be Christmas? The earliest mention of December 25 comes from a mid-fourth-century Roman almanac.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

So what if it was a deliberate attempt to replace a pagan festival with a celebration of the birth of Christ?

Christ had come and He was replacing the pagan gods. One way was to take over one of their main celebrations.

It's also 3 or 4 days after the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere. The solstice gives a hint that a warmer change is coming. The winter of paganism was passing away.

Here in the south it would not have had the same climactic significance as we have our summer solstice a few days before Christmas. We're looking forward to cooler weather.

But the church back then was exclusively a northern hemisphere phenomenon.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Christmas is definitely a human created celebration. Because there is no instruction from God in The Bible to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Why do we need an instruction?
God sent angels to announce the conception to Mary and Joseph, a star to announce the birth to the Magi, and the sky was filled with many angels announcing the birth to the shepherds.
If the heavens, and heavenly beings, can shout about the Word made flesh; why can't we?

 

[d taylor]

Why do we need an instruction?
God sent angels to announce the conception to Mary and Joseph, a star to announce the birth to the Magi, and the sky was filled with many angels announcing the birth to the shepherds.
If the heavens, and heavenly beings, can shout about the Word made flesh; why can't we?

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When God gave to Israel days to observe, God instructions on what to (or how to) observe on these days.

 

[Strong in Him]

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When God gave to Israel days to observe, God instructions on what to (or how to) observe on these days.

That was Israel.
God also gave them instructions on what to do to people who broke the Sabbath, on how to treat anyone who committed adultery, on what kinds of clothes to wear, what to eat and so on. It was how they showed that they were holy.

God has not instructed us to celebrate Easter, either - but it's certainly not wrong to celebrate the resurrection.

 

[d taylor]

That was Israel.
God also gave them instructions on what to do to people who broke the Sabbath, on how to treat anyone who committed adultery, on what kinds of clothes to wear, what to eat and so on. It was how they showed that they were holy.

God has not instructed us to celebrate Easter, either - but it's certainly not wrong to celebrate the resurrection.

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God has given the church The Lords supper as a remembrance.

 

[Aaron112]

...... not wrong unless any idols or idolatry or "strange fire"(I don't know if this is applicable) is involved.

God has not instructed us to celebrate Easter, either - but it's certainly not wrong to celebrate the resurrection.

 

[Aaron112]

Not even once did the messengers of God nor the disciples of Jesus ever even attempt to do this.

If they had been serving in any pagan way, they renounced it as sinful and started doing as Jesus and the Apostles instructed.

Christ had come and He was replacing the pagan gods. One way was to take over one of their main celebrations.

 

[Aaron112]

It was apparently an attempt to satisfy pagans, to get them into the 'church', without them needing to repent (even today this is done daily).

So what if it was a deliberate attempt to replace a pagan festival with a celebration of the birth of Christ?

 

[Aaron112]

Best point I think.
Instead of being blended, which is sinful,
the worship of God and following Jesus is ignored too often worldwide, and only paagan is done.

By aligning Christ’s birth with this pagan festival, we risk blending the worship of God with sun worship, which the Bible condemns (Romans 1:25).

 

[Aaron112]

Always remember and honor and meditate on Torah as is written.

In Deuteronomy 12:29-32, God specifically commands His people not to adopt the worship practices of other nations, emphasizing that worship must align with His word in Bible scripture, not with man-made traditions.

 

[Strong in Him]

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God has given the church The Lords supper as a remembrance.

I know he has; that's not Jewish feasts.

 

[Strong in Him]

...... not wrong unless any idols or idolatry or "strange fire"(I don't know if this is applicable) is involved.

Well I'm not involved in idolatry - and I doubt that any other Christian here is, either.

 

[Aaron112]

A three minute online search of christians practicing idolatry may well change your view.

Well I'm not involved in idolatry - and I doubt that any other Christian here is, either.

 

[Aaron112]

By aligning Christ’s birth with this pagan festival, we risk blending the worship of God with sun worship, which the Bible condemns (Romans 1:25).

In Deuteronomy 12:29-32, God specifically commands His people not to adopt the worship practices of other nations, emphasizing that worship must align with His word in Bible scripture, not with man-made traditions.

If you love the LORD God, flee from this pagan festival and don’t justify it for the sake of family. Jesus said, “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me” (Matthew 10:37 ESV).

Idolatry starts before a person is born, in their own family and group.

 

[Strong in Him]

A three minute online search of christians practicing idolatry may well change your view.

I didn't say "Christians", I said "Christians here".
IS any Christian on these forums practising idolatry? How are they doing that, with regard to Easter?

 

[Aaron112]

I think you know that to describe what you are (naively or innocently?) asking for is forbidden by the rules to be claimed or posted. Again, though , do a little internet searching and you can relatively easily find out, even though you cannot post it on the forum.

I didn't say "Christians", I said "Christians here".
IS any Christian on these forums practising idolatry? How are they doing that, with regard to Easter?

 

[Jipsah]

Can we be certain that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th?

Nope. But we know to a reasonable certainly that the Annunciation was on 25 March. and that 9 months from then would be 25 December. There ya are.

The Bible gives no exact date for His birth, so why celebrate on a date tied to pagan traditions?

Bother a bunch pf pagans. They're all dead, and their customs and "deities" died with them. And anyway, the Sol Invictus was celebrated on the winter solstice, not on 25 Dec. Of

The first recorded instance of December 25th being celebrated as Christ's birth comes from a Roman calendar in AD 336. And again, the 25 December date is used because it's none months after feast of the Annunciation.

, long after it was used to celebrate Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun”).

And again, it was actually celebrated on the solstice (which kinda makes sense, don't you think?)

This date is speculated to have origins in ancient Babylon (approx. 2000 BC), marking the birth of Tammuz

Hey,anyone is free to make up anything they like, especially if they're into the "Christianity is pagan" stupidity.

, and is celebrated after a woman’s typical gestation period following the pagan fertility festival of Easter.

Made up from whole cloth.

By aligning Christ’s birth with this pagan festival, we risk blending the worship of God with sun worship, which the Bible condemns (Romans 1:25).

Fake history.

Let’s also remember the abominable practices described in Ezekiel 8:16-18, where the people were worshipping the sun in God’s temple—an act of rebellion against God.

Yeah, worshipping the sun is always a bad idea.

As Ecclesiastes 1:9 reminds us, “There is nothing new under the sun”

Oh please!

, and such practices persist even today.

In many fevered imaginations, and maybe amongst some (or all, for all I know) neo-pagan larpers.

Additionally, Jeremiah 10:2-5 warns against the customs of the nations, such as cutting, fastening in place and decorating trees with silver and gold

I.E., making idols. So don't make idols.

—practices still reflected in today’s December 25th tradition.

The making of elaborate furniture?

This mirrors an ancient pagan ritual that elevates the tree to the status of an idol.

So don't worship the sun, or trees.

If you love the LORD God, flee from this pagan festival

Yeah, just ignore the Advent of our Lord Christ, God Incarnate, and Savior of humanity. Join the actual pagans and unbelievers, and the unbelieving Jews, in studiously avoiding any acknowledgement of the intervention of God Himself in human history. No big deal;, really. Just ask any unbeliever.

and don’t justify it for the sake of family. Jesus said, “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me” (Matthew 10:37 ESV).

Yeah, join the people who joined the pagans for fear of worshipping God on the Wrong Day.

We are commanded to worship God in spirit and truth

Just not on 25 December, since non-Christians own that day in fee simple.
Rubbish.

If the world or your family opposes you, rejoice

Make sure they're not "opposing" you because you're you've embraced an imbecilic pop culture belief.

, for your reward in heaven will be great.

So you hope of Heavern is based on whether you refused to acknowledge our Lord's birth. Right. Ah, but make sure you don't acknowledge His death and Resurrection, either, because it's almost certain that some pagan somewhere did something or the other on the dates of those observances, so those days belong to them, whoever they were.

As they persecuted the prophets, so they will persecute you.

And you'll surely be persecuted for hiding in your house on Christmas Day. Right.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you, to Him be the glory, now and forever.

And stay clear of those diabolical trees!

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Joy to the world! the Lord is come;
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare him room,
And heaven and nature sing,
And heaven and nature sing,
And heaven, and heaven, and nature sing.

Joy to the world! the Saviour reigns;
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills, and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat the sounding joy.

No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.

He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love."

 

[Jipsah]

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O come, all ye faithful,
Joyful and triumphant, and
O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem;
Come and behold him,
Born the King of angels;
O come, let us adore him,
O come, let us adore him,
O Come, let us adore him,
Christ the Lord.

God of God, Light of Light
Lo, He abhors not the Virgin's womb
Very God
Begotten, not created
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
Christ the Lord!

Sing, choirs of angels,
Sing in exultation,
Sing, all ye citizens of heaven above;
Glory to God
In the highest
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
Christ the Lord!

Yea, Lord, we greet Thee, born this happy morning
Jesus, to Thee be glory given
Word of the Father
Now in flesh appearing
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
Christ the Lord!