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Make it stop! What does that even mean?
"What can be..unburdened by what has been"

It means a free for all. Unburdened by police, the laws, prior moral and legal restraints.
Unburdened by morality or law.

"What can be"
Open borders for immigrants
Free food for shoplifters
Free abortions for everyone
Unrestrained by morals or law.
Defund the Police who burden us with "what has been."
"Crime is a social construct"

Note Walz said "Abortion is a Right"
Christians say "Abortion is a Wrong.
 
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He might. But right now he supports early term abortions.
He said he wouldn't sign a bill to ban abortions and he has a reasonable position. His wife is pro choice
 
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He said he wouldn't sign a bill to ban abortions and he has a reasonable position. His wife is pro choice
Maybe Melania should run for President instead. Now there's a thought...

-- A2SG, though, it could be said she has questionable taste in men....
 
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He said he wouldn't sign a bill to ban abortions and he has a reasonable position. His wife is pro choice
Not that many here would agree that abortions are 'reasonable'.
 
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Walz said "Abortion is a Right"
No, Abortion is a Wrong

Therefore, I am voting for the other guy.

Trump said, "We have been fighting about this for 50 years." He then said, "It is now back to the States where it had been and should have been all along. People can vote on it."
It is back where it was, in the States.
Clarence Thomas said, "I do not see nor have I ever seen any "right" to an abortion in the Constitution.
That means, according to the Constitution, the power to decide this issue rests with the States or with the people.
 
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Walz said "Abortion is a Right"
No, Abortion is a Wrong

Therefore, I am voting for the other guy.

Trump said, "We have been fighting about this for 50 years." He then said, "It is now back to the States where it had been and should have been all along. People can vote on it."
It is back where it was, in the States.
Clarence Thomas said, "I do not see nor have I ever seen any "right" to an abortion in the Constitution.
That means, according to the Constitution, the power to decide this issue rests with the States or with the people.
How interesting - because abortion actually went up under Trump!

WHY? Because abortion is about poverty and the fear of poverty. NOT the law! You could BAN abortion and it might still increase if some heartless alt-right type cuts the welfare state! There are countries where it is illegal and yet 4 times higher than the USA because of poverty. Then there is Europe which has thriving welfare states and abortion is LEGAL (across most EU countries) - and yet Europe actually has HALF the abortion.

WHY? Because abortion is about poverty, NOT legality.

When the President gives tax breaks to billionaires but cuts government services to the welfare state and poor - abortion increases. Abortion rises under Trump. It’s history. Word!

Vote DEMOCRAT to actually lower abortion.

But your duty does not stop there! If you REALLY want to slow abortions - write to your Democratic representatives and tell them you’ll ONLY vote for them NEXT TIME (2028) if they bring America into the first world with universal healthcare.

You guys are REALLY behind on this - and it’s costing you double Australia’s universal healthcare!Healthcare in the United States - Wikipedia
Universal healthcare is one of the safety nets that made people safe enough in the EU to lower abortion rates.

If you vote Democrat you’ll also be voting for “LIFE” in other ways. They’ll keep deploying clean energy which saves American lives, averts a climate catastrophe, and eventually - when you have enough EV’s around 2030 - starts to lower oil demand. THIS WILL BANKRUPT PUTIN and the Middle East Petro-Dictators!

If you’re a patriot - don’t vote to “Drill baby drill” - vote to “Charge baby charge!” so you undermine the world oil market with EV’s. (The IEA says 2030 is the peak for world oil demand and then it will start to decline. Get your money out of oil investments - because that stuff is a sunk investment!)
 
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Across the US most people want abortion to be legal with some restrictions.
Also, as the global stats I linked to above show, if the poverty and general sense of insecurity are bad enough - legality will not even matter.
 
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Across the US most people want abortion to be legal with some restrictions.
Indeed. Abortions aren't a problem for the majority of US citizens. The timing is the thing.
 
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Also, as the global stats I linked to above show, if the poverty and general sense of insecurity are bad enough - legality will not even matter.
Abortion is a Wrong. Abortion is a crime.
All anyone is arguing about it whether it should be allowed, at some time or in some instances.

It is like arguing about How Much a person is allowed to Steal
We could put a $ value on stealing. A poor person would be allowed to steal up to $$$ dollars worth of stuff.
Then we can argue about how often the poor person can steal $$$ worth of stuff.
It is arguing whether we are going to allow the crime, by whom and when.

Meanwhile, back to the topic
I can find Trump's exact position on abortion being an issue for the States and/or the voters to decide
For all the fact checking in the news media, it is unable to find that information. The news media seems so intent on finding "dirt" on Trump they miss the simple fact that Trump does say exactly what his positions are.
 
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But it's not his. He's OK with early term abortion. Does he still get your vote?
If the issue were poor people shoplifting,
What amount and under what circumstance is that crime allowable?
And I said "none" and Trump said "some"
I would vote for him

If Trump said "Theft is a Right."
I would not vote for him.

Walz said, "Abortion is a Right."
Walz is Wrong.
I won't vote for him or Kamala.
 
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If the issue were poor people shoplifting,
What amount and under what circumstance is that crime allowable?
And I said "none" and Trump said "some"
I would vote for him

If Trump said "Theft is a Right."
I would not vote for him.

Walz said, "Abortion is a Right."
Walz is Wrong.
I won't vote for him or Kamala.
Just checking if voting for someone who supports early term abortion is ok with you. Maybe like stealing a little bit is ok. Seems odd to me is all.
 
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Just checking if voting for someone who supports early term abortion is ok with you. Maybe like stealing a little bit is ok. Seems odd to me is all.
To some people:
Abortion is a crime allowable under certain circumstances, such as to save the life of the mother.
Stealing a little bit is not prosecuted in some States so theft is allowed under certain circumstances.

Those are justifications, excuses and allowances for circumstances.
None of the above makes abortion or theft a "Right."
Both are still crimes.

Trump does know this as he noted the issue is now in the States, not in the Constitution.
Walz believes abortion is in the Constitution. That is why I won't vote for him.
 
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To some people:
Abortion is a crime allowable under certain circumstances, such as to save the life of the mother.
That's not Trump's position. Early term abortion is just that. Having an abortion within a certain time limit.

What is the difference between an early term abortion and one a couple of weeks later? It seems like it's akin to saying that you can steal $100, but not $101.

And I'm looking at the practicalities here. Not how someone defines it as it relates to the constitution or rights or health care. An abortion is an abortion. Period.
 
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