ABC News Moderators Blasted For Extreme Bias, Fact Checking Trump But Not Harris

[Aldebaran]

and every time there is a shooting the right blames muslims before any information is out, it goes both ways. I'm just tired and so are many people of the disengenousness of the right, if it's wrong for the left to call trump facist, and a threat to demoracy then it's wrong for trump to call the left that. Epsecially when calling them facists in the very post's he's complaining about them calling him facist. Right now trump and the right are a complete joke to many people because of this. It shows there is no genuine wanting to talk about issues, just smear one side in a way that might get them shot.

Trump tried talking about issues during the debate. Harris took the name-calling route. So your assertion falls flat.

 

[BPPLEE]

Because given that trump says just as bad, if not worse rhetoric if that alone was causing it, there be people shooting at biden and harris every day. Trumps rhetoric is far worse, and more common. ANd uses the same language, of, "Threat to democracy, facists, communists." and so on.

"And uses the same language "
To quote you.

 

[BPPLEE]

and every time there is a shooting the right blames muslims before any information is out, it goes both ways. I'm just tired and so are many people of the disengenousness of the right, if it's wrong for the left to call trump facist, and a threat to demoracy then it's wrong for trump to call the left that. Epsecially when calling them facists in the very post's he's complaining about them calling him facist. Right now trump and the right are a complete joke to many people because of this. It shows there is no genuine wanting to talk about issues, just smear one side in a way that might get them shot.

Muslims shot Trump? I haven't heard that one

 

[BPPLEE]

I've already said I have not seen any conclusive evidence that Trump wanted them to riot. This is a strawman argument.

What you've said is that they rioted because of what Trump said

 

[loveofourlord]

LOL! I knew that was going to be the response!
It was old and worn out long ago, but trot it out again if it's all you have.
Chanting isn't violence. It has been repeatedly referred to as "peacefully protesting". You know, like when black people whose lives matter chanted for cops to be killed (and many were)?

okay let me get this straight, saying, HANG mike pence isn't violence
trump calling the left communists, facists, threats to the country haters of america, and much more isn't violence
but the left calling trump facist and a threat to democracy is violence gotcha.

 

[loveofourlord]

Muslims shot Trump? I haven't heard that one

oh I was refering to mass shootings, has there been one around trump? I was pointing out one party is quick to blame someone heck before we even know who the shooters were the left got blamed.

 

[loveofourlord]

What you've said is that they rioted because of what Trump said

yes, you don't think 3 months of, "They stole the election they are taking the country from you." and so on isn't going to cause a riot from the group that feels they need guns for that very reason?

 

[childeye 2]

What you've said is that they rioted because of what Trump said

Exactly. I have conveyed that it's a fact that those who rioted believed Trump, that the election had been stolen by the radical democrats. There are many testimonies from actual rioters confirming that as fact. And I have also said that I have not seen any conclusive evidence that Trump wanted them to riot. I only know he didn't rush to try to put a stop to it.

 

[7thKeeper]

And need I point out that with the latest attempted shooter, the reasons appears to be trumps stance on ukraine wich isn't rhetoric but his own words, and what he would do. it's stupid to shoot him over it, but that appears to be the reason and not because the left called him facist.

Also, in the guys case we can't be sure. He's made all sorts of claims before that aren't true. He's claimed to be affiliated with Ukraine volunteers and they've for years said that he has nothing to do with them.

 

[Hammster]

and every time there is a shooting the right blames muslims before any information is out,

When?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Assassination attempts against Biden----0
Assassination attempts against Harris----0
Assassination attempts against Trump---2

There's the results for anyone keeping score.
Trump isn't inciting violence. His opponents are.

You missed one:

Man who crashed U-Haul truck near White House wanted to end U.S. democracy, prosecutors say

"Kandula told Secret Service agents he planned to seize power and would kill President Joe Biden if necessary. He praised Adolf Hitler as a "strong leader," according to the [court] memo."

 

[childeye 2]

Assassination attempts against Biden----0
Assassination attempts against Harris----0
Assassination attempts against Trump---2

There's the results for anyone keeping score.
Trump isn't inciting violence. His opponents are.

We can't draw an inference that Trump isn't inciting violence against migrants with his anti-migrant rhetoric using this data.

 

[BPPLEE]

We can't draw an inference that Trump isn't inciting violence against migrants with his anti-migrant rhetoric using this data.

Yet you can't show there has been any violence against migrants. You're just speculating about something that might happen as if it actually occurred.

 

[childeye 2]

Yet you can't show there has been any violence against migrants. You're just speculating about something that might happen as if it actually occurred.

I'd say that I think if I looked, I could find violence against migrants that has occurred due to anti-immigrant bigotry, but to say it was incited by Trump directly would be speculation if there is no evidence showing otherwise.

My point was that the data is not enough to draw an inference either way. The thing about slander/defamation, is that you don't need to prove a tie to violence to know it's wrong to do.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'd say that I think if I looked, I could find violence against migrants that has occurred due to anti-immigrant bigotry, but to say it was incited by Trump directly would be speculation if there is no evidence saying otherwise. My point was that the data is not enough to draw an inference either way. The thing about slander/defamation, is that you don't need to prove a tie to violence to know it's wrong to do.

Everything I can find is being perpetuated by other migrants

 

[childeye 2]

Everything I can find is being perpetuated by other migrants

Huh. It's kind of weird that most all I could find in the USA was violence at anti-immigrant protests.

But I also saw this:
Immigrants don't report crimes against them

The under-reporting of anti-immigrant hate crimes is the result of two major challenges. First, many victims fail to report hate crimes to police, either because they do not recognize the victimization as a crime or because they fear the implications of reporting to the police. Second, once a victim does come forward, the crime may not be recognized as bias-motivated by the local police, because of lack of training or language difficulties. Police in expert panels convened for this study reported receiving few reports of hate crimes against immigrants or Hispanic-Americans.

Ohio Man Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison for Federal Hate Crimes Against Haitian Nationals

A Springfield, Ohio, man was sentenced in U.S. District Court yesterday to 20 years in prison for committing federal hate crimes targeting and attacking Haitian nationals residing in the area.

www.justice.gov

 

[BPPLEE]

Huh. It's kind of weird that most all I could find in the USA was violence at anti-immigrant protests.

But I also saw this:
Immigrants don't report crimes against them

The under-reporting of anti-immigrant hate crimes is the result of two major challenges. First, many victims fail to report hate crimes to police, either because they do not recognize the victimization as a crime or because they fear the implications of reporting to the police. Second, once a victim does come forward, the crime may not be recognized as bias-motivated by the local police, because of lack of training or language difficulties. Police in expert panels convened for this study reported receiving few reports of hate crimes against immigrants or Hispanic-Americans.

Ohio Man Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison for Federal Hate Crimes Against Haitian Nationals

A Springfield, Ohio, man was sentenced in U.S. District Court yesterday to 20 years in prison for committing federal hate crimes targeting and attacking Haitian nationals residing in the area.

www.justice.gov

Immigrants are not usually at anti-immigrant protests are they?

 

[Aldebaran]

okay let me get this straight, saying, HANG mike pence isn't violence
trump calling the left communists, facists, threats to the country haters of america, and much more isn't violence
but the left calling trump facist and a threat to democracy is violence gotcha.

I guess there has to be some common standards. The Left calling Trump a threat to democracy, the biggest danger the country has ever faced, and that he must not be allowed to become president could be considered to be "dog whistle" to followers of the Left to take action to fulfil those wishes--to prevent Trump from becoming president by preventing him from even being elected.
BTW, if Trump survives until election day and is found to have won the election, do you believe democrats will give up power and peacefully transfer power to Trump's administration after all their talk that "he must not be allowed to become president"?

 

[Aldebaran]

yes, you don't think 3 months of, "They stole the election they are taking the country from you." and so on isn't going to cause a riot from the group that feels they need guns for that very reason?

No more than a year of, "Trump must not be allowed to become president! He is the biggest threat to democracy!" won't cause some people on the Left to take up arms to fulfil the mission to prevent him from becoming president?

 

[childeye 2]

Immigrants are not usually at anti-immigrant protests are they?

I would think immigrants would not be invited to an anti-immigrant protest. But now that you mention it, I do recall there was violence at the stop Asian hate rally. The point is that there is violence caused by anti-immigrant hatred.