Can Universalism be refuted without using the word "aiōnion"?

[cfposter]

God will save everyone in due time. Anything less is a failure and God doesn't fail.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Universalism can be disproven by looking at pretty much any verse of the Bible. It's VERY clear from scripture that not all of mankind will be saved but rather those who have true faith in Christ.

 

[cfposter]

When I took my koine greek courses, everything you learned about aionios meant eternal as we find in dictionaries today. However, I know better that aionios is an adjective describing something that continues beyond the age. It doesn't refer to the end point at all. It just means something continues much like a horizon, the point is concealed from you.

 

[cfposter]

Universalism can be disproven by looking at pretty much any verse of the Bible. It's VERY clear from scripture that not all of mankind will be saved but rather those who have true faith in Christ.

So why do you believe that God doesn't try to save everyone?

 

[Nicholas Vara]

I have some further follow up questions:

What do you believe a human being is, or consists of, and where do such human beings exist (ie: have their being)?

Considering Gen 2:7: Is it possible that the compound nature of soul (ie: "flesh" and "spirit", if you will) describes the "names" metaphorically (either not written or written) in the book of life? Is it possible that "flesh and spirit" represent goat and sheep, wicked and righteous, workers of iniquity vs. workers of righteousness etc., in the parables/texts that you've cited at the end of your post?

How do you understand the universal prepositional phrases used by Paul in Act 17:28 and Col 1:16-17, found here, for example:

Act 17:28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Col 1:16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things have been created through him, and unto him,
Col 1:17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

Where was humanity when Christ was crucified and died? How do you understand Rom 6:8?

To keep the OP on topic: Can the "universal" salvation of the body (sans flesh) + breath of life (together as soul) be established without using "αιωνιον".

I believe it can.

Good Morning,

You ask what a human being is? I think we are finite instances of the kind of personhood that God is, in that we are able to know and love others however limited. It is important to make sure we never define personhood as a particular psychological subjectivity but rather the ability to know and love. God as the ground of Being and not a being doesn't experience changes in mood or temperament. God is love and really knows us in a incomprehensible super personal way that defies our understanding. As humans we are a very privileged race of being, as the race that God in the Second Person of the Trinity has chosen to join, we can see what the future divination of humanity looks like and with Jesus what it means to be fully human in the here and now.

I tend to view the ancient near east language of spirit as literal breath. To the extent that various people at different times and places may have thought that this was a separate immaterial part of a human I am not sure or convinced. Certainly, by late antiquity you have notions of Psyche and Pneuma which by Jesus and Paul's day were highly developed distinct concepts that the New Testament writers make use of. Where one is the life or the breath and the other is a kind of principal that gives animals their animation and desire. This is kind of murky and debatable. Depends on what ancient source we are quoting from.

When it comes to scripture, I often find myself in the minority among those who claim to take a much higher view of it than I do but then twist themselves into all kinds of contortions in order to escape its meaning. The three verses you cite Acts 17:28, Col 1:16 - 17 all make perfect sense given Paul's Christology. Paul even quotes from Pagan poets to reenforce the idea that all of humanity belongs to God. All things were created by God the Father, though Jesus Christ and Jesus will return everything to the Father. This kind of Christology is all over Paul's writings and it makes one wonder where an eternal hell or perpetual sin could possibly be fit in?

Specifically, Romans chapter 6:8 seems to be clarified in 6:12 "Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies so that you obey its desires."

When I allow the various authors in their time and place to speak, and I respect them I have to take on board the cosmology of their day in order to understand what they were trying to convey. I can do this without necessarily adopting their cosmology. I don't for example think demons cause deafness and muteness, which is not the point of the fact that Jesus was able to restore humans fully. God lets his children tell the story and it will always be through the prism of a particular language and culture. I say all that get to the point that I am not convinced that psyche and pneuma which are concepts developed by Aristotle and later developed more by the Stoics is necessarily a truth about the nature of reality and not just the way people thought about the world in the first century. I am open to the possibility it but it's a developed philosophical tradition that comes from the surrounding Hellenized culture that would require for me, arguments and evidence in order to affirm. Maybe it's true.

Great talking to you. Cheers.

 

[Samson2021]

Universalism can be disproven by looking at pretty much any verse of the Bible. It's VERY clear from scripture that not all of mankind will be saved but rather those who have true faith in Christ.

Rom 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one(Adam) judgement came upon ALL men to condemnation, even so by the righteous act
of one (Jesus) the FREE GIFT came upon ALL men to justification of life."

1 Co 15:21-23 For since by man(Adam) came death, by man(Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
But every man in his own order......
23 NLT But there is an order to this resurrection, Christ was raised as the FIRST of the harvest, then all who belong to Christ when
He comes back.

So lets examine these few verses for disproving Universalism.
Since salvation is a gift and must be worked out, who does not receive of the gift as it is stated that ALL are to be made alive in Christ.
What about OT peoples?
Secondly ALL were justified by the righteous act of Jesus, not something they did or they would be able to boast about it being deserved,
self righteousness.
Jesus Christ is first, then the first fruits who didn't deserve anything just like the non believer Rom 3:22-23 For they too were of that group
prior to being graced with the faith and love that come from the abundance of Jesus Christ. Election according to grace.

I am literally amazed at how everyone will give full credit to all being under condemnation, and that according to the will of God, but
yet cannot fathom that He would also have mercy on the same all He condemned. Although it is understandable as they do not
understand the plan.

The ones who receive the word(plan) and UNDERSATND it are the ones who are fruitful. Some 30, some 60, some 100 fold.
What/who is their fruit?

 

[Light of the East]

Universalism can be disproven by looking at pretty much any verse of the Bible. It's VERY clear from scripture that not all of mankind will be saved but rather those who have true faith in Christ.

Having been a Calvinist for 13 years, I understand that you will not be able to "see" Universalism in the Bible because you approach the Bible through presuppositional lenses, that is, you believe that Calvinism is the only correct understanding of God, the Scriptures, and all that pertains to them.

Let's just think a second about Calvinism's main foundation, that of predestination, or "being of the elect." This means that God, for no other reason than His own desire, created human beings for the sole purpose of torturing them in a furnace of fire and wrath forever. Have you even stopped to think of what a monster this "God" is that you believe in? Can you really love such a Being? Can you really feel comfortable in the presence of such a Being, knowing that He has sent your ancestors and even your unbelieving father and mother into eternal torment?

Would love really do such a thing?

What I find most hilarious about your belief system is this: while you are stridently anti-Catholic, your whole system of damnation was invented by the Roman Church, beginning with Augustine and some of his weird ideas about anthropology, soteriology, and theology. In other words, every time you defend the idea of predestination, eternal fiery hell, etc., you are a closet RC!

 

[Light of the East]

I have done my own study of the word “αιωνιος/aionios” occurs 72x in the N.T.
“aionios” is translated world only 5 times in the N.T. [2%]
“aionios” is correctly translated “eternal” 42 times in the N.T.[52%]
“aionios” is correctly translated “everlasting” 25 times in the N.T.[34.7%]
Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times, [38.8% of total] Jesus never used “aionios” to refer something common, ordinary/mundane which was not/could not be “eternal.”
= = = = = = = = = =
In twenty four [24] of the following 26 verses “αιων/aion//αιωνιος/aionios are defined/described as eternal, everlasting, eternity etc, by paralleling or juxtaposition with other adjectives or descriptive phrases.
= = = = = = = = = =
…..Some people mistakenly claim that “αιων/aion//αιωνιος/aionios never means eternity/eternal” because a few times they refer to things which are not eternal e.g. “world.”
However, neither word is ever defined/described, by adjectives or descriptive phrases, as meaning a period less than eternal, as in the following NT verses.
…..Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times. Jesus never used “aionios” to refer to anything common, ordinary or mundane that was not/could not be eternal.
…..In the following ten verses Jesus defines/describes “aionios” as “eternal.” Luke 1:33, John 6:58, John 10:28, John 3:15, John 3:16, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 4:14, John 6:27, John 8:51

[1] Luke 1:33​

(33) And he shall reign [basileusei Vb.] over the house of Jacob for ever; [αιωνας/aionas] and of his kingdom [basileias, Nn.] there shall be no end.[telos]​

In this verse the reign/basileusei, the verb form of the word, is "aionas" and of the kingdom/basileias, the noun form of the same word, "there shall be no end.” “Aionas” by definition means eternal, no end.

[2] John 6:58​

(58) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.[aionios]​

In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “live aionios” with “death.” If “live aionios” is only a finite age, a finite period life cuding vovally opposing the government in power is not opposite “death.” Thus “aionios” by definition means “eternal.”

[3] John 10:28​

(28) I give them eternal [aionios] life, and they shall never [aion] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.​

In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” and “aion” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand”, and “never perish.” If “aion/aionios” means “age(s), a finite age,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’/never perish” “Aionios life” by definition means “eternal life.”

[4]John 3:15​

(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.​

[5] John 3:16​

(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life. ​

In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish,” twice. By definition “aionion life” means eternal or everlasting life.

[6]John 5:24​

(24) Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting [aionios] life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.​

In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” with “shall not come into condemnation” and “passed from death unto life.” “Aionios” does not mean “a finite age,” by definition it means “eternal,” unless Jesus lets His followers come into condemnation and pass into death.

[7]John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting [aionios] life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ​

In this verse Jesus juxtaposed aionios life with “shall not see life.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall not see life” By definition aionios means eternal.

[8]John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never [ου μη/ou mé] thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting [aionios] life.​

In this verse Jesus paralleled aionios with “shall [ου μη/ou mé][fn] never thirst.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall never thirst.” By definition aionios means eternal. See footnote [fn] on “ou mé” below.

[9]John 6:27​

(27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting [aionios] life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.​

In this verse Jesus contrasted “aionios meat” with “meat that perishes.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “meat that perishes.” By definition aionios means eternal.

[10]John 8:51​

(51) Very truly [amen amen] I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never [ou mé eis ton aiona][fn] see death."​

In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “unto aion” with “never see death.” By definition “aion” means eternity.

Instead of picking on people who have limited time to do the research that needs to be done on this subject, I challenge you to offer a debate to Dr. Illaria Ramelli over the word "aionios." In other words, pick on a PhD and world-class scholar. I would pay good money to watch her school you.

 

[Samson2021]

A Universal salvation is the point of Christs crucifixion. Adams fall condemned ALL men as per Gods decree so that all would experience
what "life" was like without Him, and the subsequent death that ensued due to sin. He could have just forgiven Adam and went on right??
However; the righteous act of Christs crucifixion justified everyone unto life. Rom 5:18
Being justified by the act doesn't necessarily mean that all are notified of their justification. As per Jesus: until a man is born of the Spirit,
born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Blinders remain in place and the heart is still hardened. However; when God decides to
put the faith and love of Jesus Christ UPON a person they then are born of the Spirit, thus enabling them to SEE the kingdom.
When the love of God infills a person they are overwhelmed with wanting to understand what happened, unless they think they already know.
But not sure how thats truly possible as the man cannot see the kingdom until born of the spirit. Deception? Therefore, study, sanctification, informs the receiver of Christ, as to the true meaning of the experience. Sonship placed in front of you.
Jesus was the first to complete the process as the only perfect man ever, He was raised as the first of the harvest then those whom the Father hath chosen in this age will be the first to be perfected and glorified at the end of this age.
It doesn't stop there as there will be more and more sons perfected as the ages pass.

"As in Adam ALL die, even so In Christ SHALL AL BE MADE ALIVE." 1 Co 15:21-23
"For since by man(Adam) came death, by man(Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead."
One act of disobedience, one act of righteousness. Disobedience sentenced all of us, righteousness bought life for all.
Everyone partook of Adams transgression due to God simply saying so. They will also partake of the life that was bought and paid for by
the blood of Christ. How far they enter into the kingdom is according to their work of purging themselves of fleshly impurities, and keeping
the carnal mind from not controlling them. Each will bear his/her own cross in this way.

"But there is an order to this resurrection, Christ was raised as the first of the harvest, then those who are Christs at His coming,
then cometh the end..... "

It would be prudent to note that since it is an election unto life according to the grace of God, the first fruits did nothing to deserve
being the first to be elected, just as the second fruits did nothing to be qualified or disqualified from being in either group.
The end is when ALL will have been made alive in Christ as one cannot see/understand the kingdom until that time. Therefore, they
cannot reject what they never saw/understood.
That was bought for them. God makes them aware of their justification as He elects them, and they are born into the kingdom.

The end is not the end of this age, it is the end of all ages that God has predetermined necessary to bring all unto/into life.
It is much grander than what most have ever heard.

The false doctrines in the "churches" of today and most dribble on the internet do not even come close to the grandeur God
pre-purposed in Himself before the world was even made.
Not to mention He promised life eternal before that time as well. Tit 1:2 To who? EVERYONE! For ALL of us came from Him.

 

[Der Alte]

Instead of picking on people who have limited time to do the research that needs to be done on this subject, I challenge you to offer a debate to Dr. Illaria Ramelli over the word "aionios." In other words, pick on a PhD and world-class scholar. I would pay good money to watch her school you.

Since you have made a challenge without the hoohahs to back it up. Why don't you take my study and send to Ramelli and/or any other scholar(s) you choose and very likely it will be you who will be schooled.

 

[Der Alte]

God will save everyone in due time. Anything less is a failure and God doesn't fail.

Not acccording to the words of God and Jesus, themselves.
Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 

[Der Alte]

*** "As in Adam ALL die, even so In Christ SHALL AL BE MADE ALIVE." 1 Co 15:21-23
"For since by man(Adam) came death, by man(Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead."
***

The standard out-of-context proof text.
1 Corinthians 15:22-24
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

All mankind are "in Adam" since all mankind is descended from Adam BUT all mankind are not "IN Christ." That requires a conscious choice in this life.
Vs. 23 "Christ the first fruits" afterward "they that are Christ's at His coming." Only those who belong to Christ when He comes. So when are they made alive who do not belong to Christ when He comes? I don't see them listed here.

 

[Samson2021]

The standard out-of-context proof text.
1 Corinthians 15:22-24
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

All mankind are "in Adam" since all mankind is descended from Adam BUT all mankind are not "IN Christ." That requires a conscious choice in this life.
Vs. 23 "Christ the first fruits" afterward "they that are Christ's at His coming." Only those who belong to Christ when He comes. So when are they made alive who do not belong to Christ when He comes? I don't see them listed here.

If I told you, you still wouldn't believe it.
However. the verse does state that ALL SHALL be made ALIVE IN CHRIST. The timing of that is after the first dominion, the first kingdom reign,
at a minimum.

The problem with the anti universalist position is that they somehow think they made a conscience choice to be the Lords sheep.
That is not the case at all, in fact 100% wrong. The elect are the elect of God, they are His choice from among mankind solely according
to His predetermination. Salvation is a gift that you cannot earn or be capable of boasting about your choice or your faith for neither
are worth anything.
It is the faith and love that comes from the fullness of Jesus Christ that is given to the one God selects that makes them
called/elect. 1 Ti 1:13-14 NLT says it best " O, How generous and gracious our Lord was, HE FILLED ME WITH THE FAITH AND LOVE
THAT COME FROM JESUS CHRIST. His election process, His choice, not yours.
Jas 1:18 Of His own will begat He us through the word of truth that we should be a kind of first fruits of His creatures.
Jesus as 23 states in NLT was the first to be raised and the first of the harvest, then those who are Christs at His coming............
The ones who are Christs are His due to the fact the Father gave them to Him. Fathers choice.
The perfecting of Jesus garnered a group of called/elect, once they are perfected then they too are kings and priests. We see now
what the High priest is doing, making intercession. The next group of priests will be doing the same for another group of elect in
the next dispensation or age.
Eph 1 :10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIMES He might gather together in ONE(body) all things in Christ both which are in
heaven(first. second etc.. fruits) and on earth( last harvest); even in Him.
Eph 2:15-16 states that the Jew and the Gentile are to be reconciled to God through the ONE BODY (Christ). The cross of Christ paid the
price for the ALL as Rom 5:18 states, the ONE RIGHTEOUS act JUSTIFIED ALL unto LIFE.

Just to be clear, the elect are no better nor worse than the non elect, and the non elect (non-believer) are that way in order to
perfect the elect. Enemies of the elect for the elects sake. Rom 11:28

The only way that a human can see the kingdom is to be born of the Spirit, born again, that opportunity is the free gift spoken of in
Rom 5:18 Afterward they press into the kingdom which is nothing more nor less than becoming a son of God. How far they press in
is dependent on their ability to keep asking, seeking, knocking. But since they must be born again in order to even see/understand
the kingdom, that is given to the ALL at some point, and as it is the calling that God does not repent of, their being born of the Spirit
will not be taken away or lost. Rom 11:29 God is not keeping the blinders on and the hearts hardened Rom 11:8 just so He
can eternally torment them. Their turn comes once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Rom 11:25-26 And ALL Israel shall be saved.

You did nothing to earn your salvation and indeed can't. Rom 3:22-23 The faith is UPON the believer, and UNTO ALL and there is no
difference in the two groups as ALL are/were sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God.

Your boasting only proves one thing. You do not understand the election, nor the righteousness of God and they are one and the same.

Only a true elect that has overcome self righteousness is allowed to see these things (hidden manna) so it is understandable that the
majority of the world rejects this fact. Indeed those that make merchandise of you have killed the majority that have seen this.
It is not conducive to their monetary and/or power hungry agendas.

No one is requiring you to believe anything. Indeed you cannot for you have not earned the right to see it yet. Rev 2:17

We who do see it share the GOOD NEWS, those that cannot, share a destination of death and destruction.
Jesus said His words were Spirit and they were life. If not born of the Spirit then they are seen and interpreted literally
by the carnal mind of man that can see nothing but death and destruction

 

[cfposter]

Not acccording to the words of God and Jesus, themselves.
Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Yes, according to the Word of God. But I already schooled this before you in the past and you just ignored the facts. Don't have time for those that don't have the time to investigate the facts. And so that you know what I'm talking about - I was formerly a Roman Catholic and knew all the same arguments that you and others have made and used them before myself. But I went further and investigated them and found that God doesn't Fail and I also learned to know Truth about the language and terms used.

And for those others reading this. If you want a more exhaustive study in the meaning of Aionios, I urge you to read here:

AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS

I'm more of the understanding that "aionios" is describing a period that CONTINUES beyond the boundary of the existing age.

But putting these meanings aside, I truly believe it to be blasphemy to believe that God will not save everyone. It defames His Ability and Spirit.

God has purposed to save everyone and will do so in due time. He doesn't fail.

 

[cfposter]

Here is the most important point that many fail to realize on this subject:

It is God's responsibly to save everyone.

 

[Samson2021]

Aion is the noun. Aionios is the adjective. By definition the adjective cannot supercede the nouns original strength. Meaning that
ainios cannot be longer than Aion.
Example is generational cannot exceed a generation.
That said there are times when the word aion is used and actually describes more than one age, so plural use of the noun.
And yes it is a bit confusing.
And yes I agree that all will be made alive in Christ. As the body (Christ) is ever being added to by God. The first to be in Christ was
Jesus Himself. He was not Jesus Christ until He had the Spirit reside in/on Him at Jordan. Generations JC Matt 1:1-17 Look at it and
do the math. The 41st generation was Jesus of Nazareth, the 42nd is Jesus Christ the new creature, the beginning of the creation of God.
Those that are baptized into Christ are baptized into the same Spirit. Thus brothers of Christ, the head of the body.
It is through the body that all peoples will be born of the Spirit. That was what was bought at Calvary, the right to spiritual life.

 

[cfposter]

Aion is the noun. Aionios is the adjective. By definition the adjective cannot supercede the nouns original strength. Meaning that
ainios cannot be longer than Aion.
Example is generational cannot exceed a generation.
That said there are times when the word aion is used and actually describes more than one age, so plural use of the noun.
And yes it is a bit confusing.
And yes I agree that all will be made alive in Christ. As the body (Christ) is ever being added to by God. The first to be in Christ was
Jesus Himself. He was not Jesus Christ until He had the Spirit reside in/on Him at Jordan. Generations JC Matt 1:1-17 Look at it and
do the math. The 41st generation was Jesus of Nazareth, the 42nd is Jesus Christ the new creature, the beginning of the creation of God.
Those that are baptized into Christ are baptized into the same Spirit. Thus brothers of Christ, the head of the body.
It is through the body that all peoples will be born of the Spirit. That was what was bought at Calvary, the right to spiritual life.

That is not true. Aionios is indeed and adjective but it describing something in relation to the aion. It means something is going to CONTINUE beyond the age. Let's take an example:

Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Both words in the above verse, I have bolded from the King James Version of the Bible where the word Aionios is used in the Greek.

Now to interpret this properly then, it means that both the Punishment and the LIFE will CONTINUE beyond the age. It doesn't alter the length of the age at all but it also doesn't speak to an endpoint. The endpoint could be finite or infinite. It doesn't speak to it. It simple means that we should focus on the fact that something is going to be beyond the horizon of the existing age which is currently concealed from much like a the other side of the horizon is.

 

[cfposter]

Fun? Joyous even? Maybe Joy in Jesus in the way He Himself Refuted those in error who did not want to know truth: "...... search the Scriptures, because you(they; not you 'leaf') think that in them you have (or will find) life..... "

Did they give up not only their own errors, but also did they stop seeking to kill Jesus ? (no)

i.e. Even Jesus did not turn them from their own errors. Same Today, Now, in our lifetime(s), and when Jesus Returns, it will be too late to repent.

But what does that mean to late to repent? Anyone who has read the Old Testament knows that sin is DEBT. And that meant that each time someone sinned they had to sacrifice something of their possession or they needed to buy a sufficient sacrifice to be atoned for that sin.

Now consider under the New Testament, that Christ is offered once for all sins both now and in the future. So how does one gain that atonement? - They accept Christ and be of the practice to sin now more but if they should they may ask forgiveness through Christ who is ready to forgive. So now what if nobody repents and doesn't accept Christ? - then at His Coming they will either receive further MERCY and be freed from some or all sins or they will have to PAY for their sins but NOT endlessly. For not even the UNFORGIVING servant had to pay endlessly but TILL the payment was paid in full. Let's read it:

The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Now how long did the unforgiving servant have to pay for his debts? - TILL all that due was paid. Not endlessly. Sin is DEBT we need to remember that. And this is why Christ was necessary for under the Old Testament, sinners would continue in their sins because they new they could come back and sacrifice again and again. This is spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Now everyone should realize that we can't have the practice of sinning like those Jews did in former times now that we have Accepted Christ for there is no other sacrifice. For if we do, we are guilty of His Stripes more and more and what further sacrifice is there but none.

 

[Samson2021]

That is not true. Aionios is indeed and adjective but it describing something in relation to the aion. It means something is going to CONTINUE beyond the age. Let's take an example:

Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Both words in the above verse, I have bolded from the King James Version of the Bible where the word Aionios is used in the Greek.

Now to interpret this properly then, it means that both the Punishment and the LIFE will CONTINUE beyond the age. It doesn't alter the length of the age at all but it also doesn't speak to an endpoint. The endpoint could be finite or infinite. It doesn't speak to it. It simple means that we should focus on the fact that something is going to be beyond the horizon of the existing age which is currently concealed from much like a the other side of the horizon is.

And neither use is longer than the other.
The age in the humanity case is 6000yrs roughly, were around 5800 now since Adam according to the Jewish calendar.
The kingdom age is 1000yrs, a DAY sabbath of rest for the earth. At the end of the first kingdom, first dominion, those not
of the elect are wiped out.
The new age begins then, and is called the second death, properly, as people will die and be buried during that age as well.
There will be a second fruits in that dispensation. Isa 59:21 For the seed of Jesus will have seed. That would be the first fruits
having a crop as well. Seeing that all of the afore mentioned are IN CHRIST then it is still Christ that is doing the work of producing
spiritually mature sons in the next group of Gods elect.
Oba 1:21 And saviors(first fruits) shall come upon Mt Zion and judge the mount of Esau(non-elect in first age)
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.
The judgment is not to eternal punishment but to judge if capable of new life in the spirit, how well have they overcome, and what
do they need to further mature unto the son they were predestined to become. Judgement in the form of situational awareness to help
perfect those the Father hath given them. Just as Jesus is doing now, intercessing.
The increase of His government has no end as it is perpetual, and the above describes briefly how that is done.
God started with one perfected man, then gives His elect the same faith and love that was perfected in Jesus Christ. That is
brought to perfection in the first group and the continuation after the Sabbath rest (1000yrs) is in perfecting another group.

 

[cfposter]

It is well-known among the few disciples of Jesus that only through Jesus is anyone able to enter heaven.
It is also well-known among the few disciples that there are many woes (condemned souls) , as stated in many places both in Scripture and throughout history.

Adding to God's Word produces Woes as written.

On a lighter note: would anyone try to prove there are cows on the moon ??
Or disprove it ??
Same kind of arguments , without peace or joy, disputing false gospels.

Nobody can be saved but through Christ. And all shall be in due time.