Fellowship True spiritual warfare (read the ruleset before you post)

[ARBITER01]

I can't find the button to upload a pdf file. I used to know how, but CF has changed and there doesn't seem to be a way to do it now.

I'll send you one of my email accounts privately you can send it to.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'll send you one of my email accounts privately you can send it to.

Appreciated.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Material

What is out there on this subject?

Are there any good books about this stuff?

Survey says,......No,.... there is nothing.

It's unfortunate, but having looked at some of the books that people have put together since the 90's and earlier, they don't really teach you anything. They pontificate about different sections of scripture and give historical views and recollections about such things, but they don't really include anything of substance that is useful in situations. Worse yet, they might include things that are not really scriptural, like the pleading of the blood stuff. If they happen to include a subject that is useful, like faith, they won't teach you how your faith is properly applied in situations, they will just give you an overview of sorts. "Yep, I wrote a book, now let me write some more and create a retirement account for myself!!" That's what it basically amounts to, besides the pride factor involved. These people are not really there to help it seems. You are pretty much on your own with this stuff. It's just you and GOD.

Currently, satan has been working his way into most of the mainline protestant churches and dividing their leaderships. Even the baptists and their love of scripture are seeing some of these problems with their leadership. Sin and it's effects is growing, even in the body of Christ. Now add spiritual warfare on top of the mix, without anyone knowledgeable about how to fight it, and things can quickly spiral out of control. Sure, Jesus can raise up more churches (and it's probably better that He did in most cases), but the residual fall-out from a church failing can possibly have an impact in a community.

So,.... where to start?

How about Purpose.

One of the best books I've read about spiritual warfare is "War on the Saints" by Jesse Penn-Lewis. She was a journalist for a Christian newspaper and covered the Welsh revival in the early 1900's. There was a certain amount of deception along with the genuine. If you can find the unabridged version, it is by far the best. An editor got hold of the original and ran his anti Baptism in the Holy Spirit eye over it. That is a great shame because the restoration of the truth of the baptism in the Holy Spirit was central to the Welsh revival.

 

[ARBITER01]

One of the best books I've read about spiritual warfare is "War on the Saints" by Jesse Penn-Lewis. She was a journalist for a Christian newspaper and covered the Welsh revival in the early 1900's. There was a certain amount of deception along with the genuine. If you can find the unabridged version, it is by far the best. An editor got hold of the original and ran his anti Baptism in the Holy Spirit eye over it. That is a great shame because the restoration of the truth of the baptism in the Holy Spirit was central to the Welsh revival.

Yes, I read a good portion of it years ago. If I remember correctly, she was dealing with the more deceptive demonic aspects she found in a lot of the revival scenarios in her day. It's been a while.

While that is true, we will run into that sort of stuff, I'm dealing with more of the heavier behind the scenes stuff that most people are not introduced to. The demonic, in many regards, is easier to deal with than many people think, as long as you using the biblical tools correctly and are guided by The Holy Spirit.

 

[honey badger]

to understand what warfare is, is to understand how and where it is being fought ...

 

[mourningdove~]

@ARBITER01

I went browsing thru this thread tonite, and saw that you discuss witchcraft in it. I do have a question regarding witchcraft ...

Do you believe there are witchcraft spirits ... and have you seen them 'attach' and work generationally through a family?

 

[ARBITER01]

@ARBITER01

I went browsing thru this thread tonite, and saw that you discuss witchcraft in it. I do have a question regarding witchcraft ...

Do you believe there are witchcraft spirits ... and have you seen them 'attach' and work generationally through a family?

Well not really.

Families that are heavy into the witchcraft want to pass that down to their kids a lot of times. A girl I know was dedicated to satan at a real young age by her family. From what I was able to grasp, that is the way it normally carries on. She inherited all their books and collected other books from families. She probably has about 100 of them.

Aspects of witchcraft can be learned through evil spirit help, but it's mostly passed down through covens and families from what I can tell.

 

[mourningdove~]

Well not really.

Families that are heavy into the witchcraft want to pass that down to their kids a lot of times. A girl I know was dedicated to satan at a real young age by her family. From what I was able to grasp, that is the way it normally carries on. She inherited all their books and collected other books from families. She probably has about 100 of them.

Aspects of witchcraft can be learned through evil spirit help, but it's mostly passed down through covens and families from what I can tell.

That is how I suspect it gets often passed down (via family members) but I wanted to run it by someone who's more familiar with these things.

I read a sad thing online this week. A young woman I know, claiming to be a witch, claims on her website that she comes from "a line of generational witches, mediums, and intuitive readers". Because I know the family, I was surprised to read that.

The elders in a family can have alot of influence over younger family members, especially if they connect well.

 

[mourningdove~]

Anyways, with witchcraft there are some methods that are commonly used amongst people. ...

Some of the tools of their trade you will find used against you or other people are,...

- Evil spirit persecution. Yes, it is common for people in witchcraft to send evil spirits against you to cause various problems on your job, you prayer life, love life, what have you, and you need to learn how to dispose of them. If you don't get rid of them, it can last for years.

@ARBITER01

This is an interesting thread.

So, I have a friend that worked in an office where a witch was one of the employees there. She was an older woman; she said she was a 'white witch'. The office had many ongoing personnel problems. During one of the office's problem times, the witch woman was observed 'pacing back and forth, back and forth' in my friend's office area ... the witch with her head down and mumbling to herself ... while my friend was working at her desk. My friend thought it was very strange, but not unlike many things that happened in that office.

Shortly after this, my friend left the job, but her life did take a nosedive for awhile following her departure. (Coincidence?) My friend wondered if maybe the witch had put a spell on her, but since she was a Christian, she didn't give it too much thought. Does it sound to you like the witch may have put a spell on my friend? If so, how long do spells last when a witch does that? I don't remember how my friend prayed about this, but would 'protective prayer' praying (the psalms; like you mention in this thread) been beneficial for her to do after an experience like this?

Thanks for your patience with my questions. Not so many people I know talk much about spiritual warfare anymore.

 

[ARBITER01]

That is how I suspect it gets often passed down (via family members) but I wanted to run it by someone who's more familiar with these things.

I read a sad thing online this week. A young woman I know, claiming to be a witch, claims on her website that she comes from "a line of generational witches, mediums, and intuitive readers". Because I know the family, I was surprised to read that.

The elders in a family can have alot of influence over younger family members, especially if they connect well.

I've ran into around 7 of these individuals over the years, and none of them ever let anyone know about their practices. They don't brag about it.

 

[ARBITER01]

@ARBITER01

This is an interesting thread.

So, I have a friend that worked in an office where a witch was one of the employees there. She was an older woman; she said she was a 'white witch'. The office had many ongoing personnel problems. During one of the office's problem times, the witch woman was observed 'pacing back and forth, back and forth' in my friend's office area ... the witch with her head down and mumbling to herself ... while my friend was working at her desk. My friend thought it was very strange, but not unlike many things that happened in that office.

Shortly after this, my friend left the job, but her life did take a nosedive for awhile following her departure. (Coincidence?) My friend wondered if maybe the witch had put a spell on her, but since she was a Christian, she didn't give it too much thought. Does it sound to you like the witch may have put a spell on my friend? If so, how long do spells last when a witch does that? I don't remember how my friend prayed about this, but would 'protective prayer' praying (the psalms; like you mention in this thread) been beneficial for her to do after an experience like this?

Thanks for your patience with my questions. Not so many people I know talk much about spiritual warfare anymore.

Very possible.

Prayer and asking for protection from The Lord gets rid of such things, but some of these folks are very persistent and will keep trying to have a person under control.

 

[mourningdove~]

Very possible.

Prayer and asking for protection from The Lord gets rid of such things, but some of these folks are very persistent and will keep trying to have a person under control.

Thank you ... and thanks for your time!

 

[ARBITER01]

Thank you ... and thanks for your time!

No problem

 

[ARBITER01]

I updated the notes on the protective prayer section. After quite a bit of time of trial and error, I found the proper use of this prayer is in the morning and evening. It has to be said twice a day like that for the correct effect and protection.

Also, the protective prayer is not just used against witchcraft, it provides protection against evil spirits and such. Any Christian should start utilizing that prayer as a daily devotion.

 

[the_nazarene]

Thanks for this thread. Would you be willing to create a video explaining the more offensive side of things?

 

[ARBITER01]

Thanks for this thread. Would you be willing to create a video explaining the more offensive side of things?

A video?

I'll let The LORD direct me on that if He wants me to. Currently I don't have any plans on such a thing, and I wouldn't make any plans on seeing me on Twitch or Youtube, just saying.

As far as the offensive portion of Spiritual warfare, I'm still waiting on GOD over some things yet. Sometimes you can't move any further on something until He is ready for you to. It's real easy for any of us to get ahead of GOD on things. Each of us has to learn how to wait on GOD on certain subjects, and this is one of those times for me.

 

[the_nazarene]

A video?

I'll let The LORD direct me on that if He wants me to. Currently I don't have any plans on such a thing, and I wouldn't make any plans on seeing me on Twitch or Youtube, just saying.

As far as the offensive portion of Spiritual warfare, I'm still waiting on GOD over some things yet. Sometimes you can't move any further on something until He is ready for you to. It's real easy for any of us to get ahead of GOD on things. Each of us has to learn how to wait on GOD on certain subjects, and this is one of those times for me.

Apologies for the delayed reply! I was looking out for an email notification to let me know that you had replied to me. I just realized earlier today that I overlooked that very email. As for the video piece, I understand where you're coming from. When I wrote my last message, I felt a tug to ask that question to see whether you had considered sharing your insight on YouTube, for instance. Some folks like to share their insight on that platform, so I figured I'd ask just in case.

 

[the_nazarene]

A video?

I'll let The LORD direct me on that if He wants me to. Currently I don't have any plans on such a thing, and I wouldn't make any plans on seeing me on Twitch or Youtube, just saying.

As far as the offensive portion of Spiritual warfare, I'm still waiting on GOD over some things yet. Sometimes you can't move any further on something until He is ready for you to. It's real easy for any of us to get ahead of GOD on things. Each of us has to learn how to wait on GOD on certain subjects, and this is one of those times for me.

Apologies for the delayed reply! I was looking out for an email notification to let me know that you had replied to me. I just realized a few minutes ago that I overlooked the message. As for the video piece, I understand where you're coming from. When I wrote my last message, I felt a tug to ask whether you had considered sharing your insight on Youtube, for instance. Some folks like to share their insight on that platform, so I figured I'd ask just in case. On a separate and cautionary note, based on what I've been taught, I felt that it might be fitting to mention that the principality

Principalities,...

What do we know about them? I fully consider them the fallen angels of satan. In fact, let's look at Ephesians on this,...

Eph 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world–rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

This is the 1881 Revised Version text. I consider it very literal in all the books. We are talking about Principalities, let's organize this section of scripture differently,...

- against the principalities
- against the powers
- against the world–rulers of this darkness
- against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Every one of those statements from Paul is related to fallen angels, not people. For some that might be a real eye opener.

I speculate that most Christians will never see involvement with these things in their lifetime, but it's not like they will be hanging out in anyone's church. They are evil, and hang out in evil places. I'm not talking about being undisciplined and rebellious, I said evil, as in they plot ways to hurt people in very bad ways at times. They answer to satan, and do his bidding only.

The first time I ran across one of these things was just before I was born again. I had recently befriended a gal in a night club, who, unbeknownst to me, was one of the major players of a semi-large satanist group at Hawaii. This was back at the beginning of the 90's. This recent friend of mine was dancing on the stage in her night club, and the room was already dark somewhat, but it got noticeably darker suddenly, and I caught the glimpse and slight glimmer of something rather large and scaly walking around on that stage with my friend. I only really clearly noticed one of it's legs, the rest of him was just too cloaked in darkness to make out many details. It was large and strong. The atmosphere in that room changed immediately.

It just sort of showed up and left somewhat quickly, but I'm sure it was associated with my friend. I was not born again yet, so I didn't think too much about it afterwards, but that event did stick with me, and The Lord brought it back to remembrance unto me with very recent events.

I'll try to put my thoughts together on this more and share my experiences.

On a separate and cautionary note, based on what I've been taught—concerning principalities—I felt that it might be fitting to mention that the prayer quoted above might be best prayed under the leading of the Spirit (along with all the prayers). From what I perceive, in that we wrestle with princes, per Ephesians 6:12, it's important for God to let us know when He is ready for us to take the step from wrestling to binding. I felt like I should write this so that the maturing believer does not say this prayer out of its proper context. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6:12 - NASB-95. Nevertheless, the content throughout this thread has benefitted me.

 

[ARBITER01]

Apologies for the delayed reply! I was looking out for an email notification to let me know that you had replied to me. I just realized earlier today that I overlooked that very email. As for the video piece, I understand where you're coming from. When I wrote my last message, I felt a tug to ask that question to see whether you had considered sharing your insight on YouTube, for instance. Some folks like to share their insight on that platform, so I figured I'd ask just in case.

I don't consider this sort of subject to be of interest to all that many people.

Some people yea, but it can create more arguments than I have the patience to deal with. Such a subject as this is not really accepted by everyone in the body of Christ. I've had people on here try to shut the topic down before by lying to the mods and claiming it was controversial.

Also, I'm a very introverted person. I don't care to deal with all the youtube comments and such from folks. On here it is a bit more controlled.

If anything, it could be put into a book. There are many areas that I've not talked about, as well as better explanations of certain subjects. We'll see what GOD wants to do.

 

[ARBITER01]

On a separate and cautionary note, based on what I've been taught—concerning principalities—I felt that it might be fitting to mention that the prayer quoted above might be best prayed under the leading of the Spirit (along with all the prayers). From what I perceive, in that we wrestle with princes, per Ephesians 6:12, it's important for God to let us know when He is ready for us to take the step from wrestling to binding. I felt like I should write this so that the maturing believer does not say this prayer out of its proper context. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6:12 - NASB-95. Nevertheless, the content throughout this thread has benefitted me.

The defense portion of Spiritual warfare is faith, so you are correct that a person must have a revelation knowledge of the faith that they can do this and put it into action.

We live by the faith "of" The Son of GOD, so it is He that will reveal the confidence, knowledge, and capability of such actions.

I don't advocate everyone and their grandma trying to involve themselves into such things, but there are people who are innocently caught up in such things, who somehow got on the bad side of someone involved in this that need help, whom GOD might lead them to this particular thread, hence one of the reasons I started it.