Ye olde anti-vaxxers ...

[RestoreTheJoy]

Care to provide evidence of that? (Vaccination rates and measles infection rates in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.)

From my memories of that time, measles outbreaks were *not* common. Those of us who were kids back then were all (or nearly all) vaccinated. Chicken pox, sure, virtually everyone got chicken pox (once), but measles, no, that was pretty rare. It was *national* news that there were measles outbreaks (in the late 90s and 21st century) in communities where parents were refusing to get their kids vaccinated with MMR after the fearmongering of fools like Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy.

I must be older than you and/or my siblings were a decade older.

EVERYONE got the measles (mumps, whatever was going around) or their sibs did, if they didn't particularly have a bad case or even notice. Everyone is immune from these childhood diseases from those days. Even the government admits that, in saying you are presumed immune if born before a certain year (though that really does extend later as younger siblings, if present, were also exposed).

The assertion that later measles (or other )outbreaks happened only in the unvaccinated or is because of "those people" (the current rhetoric as well) is entirely false.

Ohio State (234): And here's what's surprising: Many of those who got sick had previously been immunized against mumps via one of the top weapons against childhood diseases: the MMR vaccine.

Measles in a fully vaccinated secondary school: Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles. In addition, three seronegative students seroconverted without experiencing any symptoms. We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population - PubMed

Mumps (less contagious than measles) in a wedding - most cases vaccinated: On June 5, 2020, the U.S Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published the details of a recent multistate outbreak of mumps in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). The outbreak involved 62 cases linked to a single asymptomatic wedding attendee. Even though mumps is a vaccine-preventable disease, 41 of the individuals infected in the reported incident had been fully vaccinated according to the current guidelines.

A Mumps Outbreak among Fully Vaccinated People

Whooping cough too - all victims vaccinated:
Nearly 50 students at Harvard-Westlake School have been recently diagnosed with whooping cough, in an outbreak that has forced school officials to send students home at the first sign of illness.

But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.

Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway

 

[Hans Blaster]

I must be older than you and/or my siblings were a decade older.

EVERYONE got the measles (mumps, whatever was going around) or their sibs did, if they didn't particularly have a bad case or even notice. Everyone is immune from these childhood diseases from those days. Even the government admits that, in saying you are presumed immune if born before a certain year (though that really does extend later as younger siblings, if present, were also exposed).

You'll notice in earlier posts that others noted that a better vaccine became available in 1968. (The period of my childhood experience was given in my post and in the part you quoted.)

 

[tas8831]

Outbreaks also happen among the fully vaccinated as well, to be fair:

Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students -- Illinois

Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population - PubMed

Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles. In addition, three seronegative students seroconverted without experiencing any symptoms. We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.

Seattle Nurse Contracts Measles from Patient — Despite Being Fully Vaccinated

"A Seattle nurse contracted the measles after caring for a patient with the highly contagious virus, despite being fully vaccinated and wearing protective equipment, health officials confirmed on Monday.

The nurse, who is in her 20s, was working at Seattle Children’s Hospital and tending to a young patient with measles when she developed the infection. The hospital says that she was potentially contagious while working from July 8 through 11."

Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway

Nearly 50 students at Harvard-Westlake School have been recently diagnosed with whooping cough, in an outbreak that has forced school officials to send students home at the first sign of illness.

But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease.

And many people die in car accidents despite wearing seatbelts.
Compare that to those that die in car accidents that were not wearing seatbelts.
I find the pointing out of the cases in which vaccinated people were infected by the disease to be little more than a distraction.

 

[chad kincham]

From ... The Long View: Ye Olde Anti-Vaxxers

"In March 1885, a train from Chicago arrived at Bonaventure Station in Montréal with a particularly dangerous passenger: smallpox. George Longley, train conductor, feverish and boiling with pustules, found a bed and medical care at the Hôtel-Dieu. Longley recovered, but not before a laundry-maid named Pélagie Robichaud caught the disease from his contaminated linens. She died on April 2nd. Her sister soon followed. By late summer, smallpox was everywhere. In November, when the epidemic finally burnt itself out, nearly two percent of Montréal’s population had been killed, and many more had been blinded and scarred. Most of the victims were children.

The vaccine first tested and described by Edward Jenner in 1796 was by now nearly a century old, widespread and well-established. Why did Montréal remain so vulnerable to a reliably preventable sickness with fatality rates of up to 40 percent? The answer is that there was another epidemic taking hold: in Montréal, an outbreak of hesitancy was outpacing the disease. Resistance to vaccination was particularly pronounced in the city’s east, a zone inhabited predominantly by typically poorer French Canadians – at the end of the year, French Canadians would make up 90 percent of the dead."

Once upon a time, in 2002, there was the SARS-CoV-1 virus, for which they developed a vaccine.
Animals given the vaccine developed a robust antibody response, which is what they wanted.
But when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they all died from the pathogenic priming effect, so they discarded the vaccine.
Fast forward to 2019 and the SARS-CoV-2 virus, in which vaccines were developed in a rush and released as experimental vaccines - and guess what essential step was skipped? Animal trials.

A Nobel prize winning virologist predicts mass deaths within 2 years among those vaxxed.

The UK recently released a report showing that most COVID deaths are among the vaccinated.

One of many reports on UK COVID deaths:

UK hospital data shocks the world: 80% of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated… COVID deaths up 3,000% after vaccine wave

 

[Strathos]

You maybe have a better source than wordpress (where anyone can make an anonymous blog for free?)

I see they cite Natural News, but that's always been a quack website that ignores the facts. Actual studies show that severe symptoms and deaths are significantly less among the vaccinated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Once upon a time, in 2002, there was the SARS-CoV-1 virus, for which they developed a vaccine.
Animals given the vaccine developed a robust antibody response, which is what they wanted.
But when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they all died from the pathogenic priming effect, so they discarded the vaccine.
Fast forward to 2019 and the SARS-CoV-2 virus, in which vaccines were developed in a rush and released as experimental vaccines - and guess what essential step was skipped? Animal trials.

A Nobel prize winning virologist predicts mass deaths within 2 years among those vaxxed.

The UK recently released a report showing that most COVID deaths are among the vaccinated.

One of many reports on UK COVID deaths:

UK hospital data shocks the world: 80% of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated… COVID deaths up 3,000% after vaccine wave

That does not look like a very reliable source. Did you vet it, or were you just looking for someone that agreed with you?

EDIT: It looks like various sites, like yours, cooked the books. They were being dishonest to you:

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

 

[chad kincham]

That does not look like a very reliable source. Did you vet it, or were you just looking for someone that agreed with you?

EDIT: It looks like various sites, like yours, cooked the books. They were being dishonest to you:

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

Fact checking stopped being anything other than propaganda, years ago.

There’s all kinds of sources in many countries reporting this, including this medical website that admits the stats, then spins them:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-deaths-uk-vaccinated.html

 

[essentialsaltes]

Fact checking stopped being anything other than propaganda, years ago.

That's absurd. There are in fact, um, facts. They can be checked.

Please don't dive off into the chasm of perpetual ignorance where nothing can be known. Things can be known.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fact checking stopped being anything other than propaganda, years ago.

There’s all kinds of sources in many countries reporting this, including this medical website that admits the stats, then spins them:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-deaths-uk-vaccinated.html

LOL! Your own source refuted you.

 

[ozso]

That reminds me, I should go get my booster tomorrow.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That reminds me, I should go get my booster tomorrow.

I am. I'll report back afterward if I die.

 

[ozso]

I am. I'll report back afterward if I die.

Wait, hold the phone, since when do you guys believe in life after death?

 

[IWalkAlone]

I would be very surprised if there's not a very strong correlation between anti-vaxxers and pro-gun advocates, because they both have the same attitude. It's an attitude of, if I have to make a choice between my personal freedom and innocent people dying... then let them die.

I'm pro gun and im fully vaccinated. But I'm still worried about the vaccine. Who knows what the long term effects are.

 

[IWalkAlone]

My church for the most part doesn't take any vaccination or medication. They are word of faith. And God is Jehovah Rapha. And I tell you I hardly see anyone sick at my church. Healthiest group of people you have ever seen. I've been coming here a year. Hope it rubs off. But not judging peoples' intentions I think is important. You don't know.

Matthew 7:1-2

1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

Kenneth Copeland is word of faith but they helped spread a measles outbreak.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Wait, hold the phone, since when do you guys believe in life after death?

Atheist only means "doesn't believe in god(s)". Plenty of atheist believe all sorts of other unproven supernatural things like souls, spirits, an afterlife, etc. (Not me though, but I have confidence that when the third shot kills me, I have no problem posting. )

 

[Hans Blaster]

Kenneth Copeland is word of faith but they helped spread a measles outbreak.

So that's what he needs those private planes for...

 

[IWalkAlone]

If covid or the vaccine doesn't get me cancer may or some other disease. Or an accident. James said if anyone is sick have the elders pray over them. But he also said your life is like a vapor, here today and gone tomorrow, and you don't know what tomorrow will bring.

 

[IWalkAlone]

So that's what he needs those private planes for...

He's t he kind of preacher that the bible warns us about. I hate saying that because I hope for his spiritual prosperity, but it's true. The man doesn't need all those jets to get his message out, he has books, dvd, tv and internet. He has 50 million dollars. I would feel bad having that kind of wealth knowing people are starving everywhere. I just saw a story about women in India who sell a kidney just to put food on the table. Meanwhile Copeland has a huge estate, mansion, private jets and airport. What kind of man of God would be so foolish?

 

[ozso]

Atheist only means "doesn't believe in god(s)". Plenty of atheist believe all sorts of other unproven supernatural things like souls, spirits, an afterlife, etc. (Not me though, but I have confidence that when the third shot kills me, I have no problem posting. )

In that case, you go first.

 

[Strathos]

So far I have yet to see anyone suggest a plausible mechanism for the vaccine causing any negative long-term effects, when "long-term" is defined as over a year later.