Do you get Drunk in the Spirit?

[IOWLBNIF]

Why or Why Not?



Is it biblical? Why or Why Not?

 

[2ducklow]

Why or Why Not?

yea, I get drunk in the spirit because i get filled to overflowing with the spirit of god and getting drunk in the spirit is the natural result of being filled to overflowing. Praise Him with all your might, and all your ability and if you do it often enough, you will evenetually get drunk in the spirit regularly. But it ain't gonna happen just singing a little ole song or two.

Is it biblical? Why or Why Not?

some say it is, there's some verse that could mean that, the one about being slain in the spirit, and the one about be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be ye being filled with the spirit.
But there is no verse that says it's wrong to get drunk in the spirit, so if the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok.

 

[IOWLBNIF]

so you justify your sins because the bible doesnt say anything about it?

do you also go to nightclubs? since the bible doesnt say anything about it as well?


Being "drunk in the Spirit" is not biblical brother, you need to repent

your combining an unholy act with something that is holy, that is wrong.....repent


"dont be drunk with whine in excess, but be filled with the spirit"


does not mean "dont get drunk on wine but drunk on the spirit" im sorry to say


you need to examine yourself


God is a God of order, not disorder............And ive seen some of these videos, and these people running around carrying on, is not biblical

repent please

 

[JRSut1000]

I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.

Just curious, but do you observe all 613 laws of the Torah? I have been studying this matter of late, and how there was a dispute in the early church with John, Peter and Paul, as Paul was teaching so much against the law. It is obvious to me that the Gentiles were never meant to adopt the 613 laws, but perhaps to adapt to a Noachic law; the laws given to Noah, and Adam, and to also accept the teachings of Jesus, and the ten commandments. I think that Paul was in the middle of a big dispute, between the Jewish Christians and the new Gentile believers, and what was appropriate for both communities.
I have just read 'Jesus' Words Only' by Douglas J. del Tondo, and he makes a good case against Paul, as being opposed to the teachings of Jesus, who taught that the law was still in place, and always would be.

 

[IOWLBNIF]

I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.

i didnt think i was sentencing someone to hell, can you show me where i did?

Also, if your running around "being drunk" in the Spirit as i have seen on youtube, then there is no semantics about it.

Just curious, but do you observe all 613 laws of the Torah? I have been studying this matter of late, and how there was a dispute in the early church with John, Peter and Paul, as Paul was teaching so much against the law. It is obvious to me that the Gentiles were never meant to adopt the 613 laws, but perhaps to adapt to a Noachic law; the laws given to Noah, and Adam, and to also accept the teachings of Jesus, and the ten commandments. I think that Paul was in the middle of a big dispute, between the Jewish Christians and the new Gentile believers, and what was appropriate for both communities.
I have just read 'Jesus' Words Only' by Douglas J. del Tondo, and he makes a good case against Paul, as being opposed to the teachings of Jesus, who taught that the law was still in place, and always would be.

And why do you think the laws are still in place?

i honestly and say this the best way i can, idc what some book written by some guy says

i care about what the bible says


if you put into question what paul said and wrote for the bible

then you put into question the whole bible

For the gospels were written by men, not Christ, so if you question what paul says, then you, by default, should question what Luke and Mark wrote down, for they were only hearing what was happening


Also, if the law is so important, then why did Peter send this letter to the believing gentiles



The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.





^explain that please, and explain why the law is still in effect

 

[2ducklow]

so you justify your sins because the bible doesnt say anything about it?

do you also go to nightclubs? since the bible doesnt say anything about it as well?

The bible condemns drinking alcohol. So I don't go to nightclubs because nightclubs are all about alcohol. If they take alcohol out of nightclubs i might go then.

Being "drunk in the Spirit" is not biblical brother, you need to repent

you don't find drunk in the spirit in the bible so that is evil. but what about all the other numerous church doctrines that are not in the bible, like conformation? Is conformation evil cause the word isn't in the bible? I doubt you have any issue with that word, or many others, such as trinity, that are found nowhere in the bible.

your combining an unholy act with something that is holy, that is wrong.....repent


"dont be drunk with whine in excess, but be filled with the spirit"


does not mean "dont get drunk on wine but drunk on the spirit" im sorry to say

you should be sorry to say that you never praise the Lord in the dance. You should be sorry to say that you never dance before the lLord with all your might and ability. you should be sorry to say that you don't do those things on a regular every church service basis. And most probably you should also be sorry that you never got baptised in the Holy Spirit.

here's another proof. when they spoke in tongues , i.e got baptised in the holy spirit on the day of pentecost, they were accused of being drunk. Because obviously some or maybe all were drunk in the spirit. when one gets full of the spirit to overflowing it is an exillerating liberating feeling. One you no doubt have never experienced. I speak from experience, you don't.


For if you had done all those biblical things then you too would have gotten drunk in the spirit.

The bible doesn't list each specific thing that is allowable and each specific thing that is not allowable. The bible doesnt say anything about driving an automobile, or sking down a slope, or whether it's ok to put pews or chairs in a church building. IF the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok. Going to night clubs would be condemned on the grounds that it is for getting inebriated. Drving a car is ok on the grounds there is no sin involved in the proper use of an automoblie. there is no sin involved in dancing before the Lord with all your might an ability. you can't do that on a regular baises without getting drunk in the spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Come back to me when you have decided to do what God says about praising him then tell me what you experienced as far as whether you got drunk in the spirit or not.

you need to examine yourself

you need to do what God said to do.

God is a God of order, not disorder............And ive seen some of these videos, and these people running around carrying on, is not biblical

repent please

Your idea of order is really stoicism, which is all pervaisive in the christian world. My idea of order is there is a time to praise the Lord, a time to listen to the sermon, a time to fellowship and chit chat etc. God is not a sour puss, man just wants to take all the exicetment and joy out of church services and make them as boreing and uneventfull as possible, and man has greatly acchieved that goal. but not universally. Some of us know God is not a sourpuss. God brings Joy, laughter, agape love, excitement, so much so that after a while it is more than one can handle and one falls to the ground unable to stand, one becomes light headed. But the good thing is there's no hangover from getting drunk in the spirit. I sorta suspect that God intends for man to get drunk to releive the stress of life, but the right way to get drunk is in the spirit, the wrong way is with alchohol.

So you can have your boreing stoic dead church service where everyone can't wait till the 30 min. service is over,, and Ill enjoy the joy and laughter and love that the Lord brings me by praising him with everything in me.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

i didnt think i was sentencing someone to hell, can you show me where i did?

Also, if your running around "being drunk" in the Spirit as i have seen on youtube, then there is no semantics about it.





And why do you think the laws are still in place?

i honestly and say this the best way i can, idc what some book written by some guy says

i care about what the bible says


if you put into question what paul said and wrote for the bible

then you put into question the whole bible

For the gospels were written by men, not Christ, so if you question what paul says, then you, by default, should question what Luke and Mark wrote down, for they were only hearing what was happening


Also, if the law is so important, then why did Peter send this letter to the believing gentiles



The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.





^explain that please, and explain why the law is still in effect

Jesus said that the law was not abrogated. Paul said that.

 

[Theofane]

I do experience what could be called drunkenness in the Spirit. Hard to describe. Sort of a swoony euphoria with warmth swelling in my chest.

 

[IOWLBNIF]

The bible condemns drinking alcohol. So I don't go to nightclubs because nightclubs are all about alcohol. If they take alcohol out of nightclubs i might go then.
you should be sorry to say that you never praise the Lord in the dance. You should be sorry to say that you never dance before the lLord with all your might and ability. you should be sorry to say that you don't do those things on a regular every church service basis. And most probably you should also be sorry that you never got baptised in the Holy Spirit.

here's another proof. when they spoke in tongues , i.e got baptised in the holy spirit on the day of pentecost, they were accused of being drunk. Because obviously some or maybe all were drunk in the spirit. when one gets full of the spirit to overflowing it is an exillerating liberating feeling. One you no doubt have never experienced. I speak from experience, you don't.


For if you had done all those biblical things then you too would have gotten drunk in the spirit.

The bible doesn't list each specific thing that is allowable and each specific thing that is not allowable. The bible doesnt say anything about driving an automobile, or sking down a slope, or whether it's ok to put pews or chairs in a church building. IF the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok. Going to night clubs would be condemned on the grounds that it is for getting inebriated. Drving a car is ok on the grounds there is no sin involved in the proper use of an automoblie. there is no sin involved in dancing before the Lord with all your might an ability. you can't do that on a regular baises without getting drunk in the spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Come back to me when you have decided to do what God says about praising him then tell me what you experienced as far as whether you got drunk in the spirit or not.

o, i should be sorry? I must be confused, i didnt know that your omniscient and you know what i do on a daily basis.....forgive me

actually the bible condemns gettin drunk, not drinking alcohol


Just because the pagans rationalized it as them being drunk, does not mean that they were "drunk in the spirit" as you understand it.

All that means is they were speaking in tongues, as a babbling drunk would, and that was they only way they could rationalize what they (believers) were doing.


"getting drunk" in the Spirit, is not biblical, stop trying to rationalize that it is.

God is a God of order. Stop comparing an act that is unholy with something that is holy, you are in err



being filled with the spirit, and "drunk" are completely different thing, or "slain" as you have said before, these are ridiculous terms.


If the bible doesnt condemn something then its ok?


So i can touch? Im not being sexual immoral with sleeping with someone else. so i must be ok right?

im relieving some "stress", so it must be ok, right?

 

[IOWLBNIF]

Jesus said that the law was not abrogated. Paul said that.

Christ came to fulfill the law.


so why follow something that has been fulfilled?

can you do it better than Christ?

 

[IOWLBNIF]

Your idea of order is really stoicism, which is all pervaisive in the christian world. My idea of order is there is a time to praise the Lord, a time to listen to the sermon, a time to fellowship and chit chat etc. God is not a sour puss, man just wants to take all the exicetment and joy out of church services and make them as boreing and uneventfull as possible, and man has greatly acchieved that goal. but not universally. Some of us know God is not a sourpuss. God brings Joy, laughter, agape love, excitement, so much so that after a while it is more than one can handle and one falls to the ground unable to stand, one becomes light headed. But the good thing is there's no hangover from getting drunk in the spirit. I sorta suspect that God intends for man to get drunk to releive the stress of life, but the right way to get drunk is in the spirit, the wrong way is with alchohol.

So you can have your boreing stoic dead church service where everyone can't wait till the 30 min. service is over,, and Ill enjoy the joy and laughter and love that the Lord brings me by praising him with everything in me.

i can do all those things, without rolling around on the floor and hoppin and hollering and running around looking like im possessed.

Which is what it boils down to.


What if someone wanting to know the Lord walked into your church, you would drive them away by your ridiculousness for they would think your possessed.

Getting "drunk in the Spirit" how you understand it, is in err


being filled and drunk are completely different

one can be filled, and still have order about them, and wont be a put off to lost person coming into the church

 

[Hillsage]

Why or Why Not?

Is it biblical? Why or Why Not?

I have to say if it is 'experiential' then who cares if it 'is or is not' specifically spelled out in the bible? I wonder if 'whether or not' it 'aligns with biblical principles or not' is more important than whether there is a 'jot and a tittle' spelling it out in the bible.

I have two questions for you.

1. Did you say a 'sinner's prayer' to get saved?

2. I'm curious, what exactly is 'the definition' of "drunk in the Spirit"...according to you, or anyone else who is posting here?

 

[IOWLBNIF]

I have to say if it is 'experiential' then who cares if it 'is', or 'is not' specifically spelled out biblically? I wonder if 'whether or not' it 'aligns with biblical principles or not' is more important than whether there is a 'jot and a tittle' spelling it out in the bible.

I have two questions for you.

1. Did you say a 'sinners prayer' to get saved?

2. I'm curious, what exactly is 'the definition' of "drunk in the Spirit"...according to you, or anyone else who is posting here?

No i dont



this is what i mean:


Kenneth E. Hagin - Drunk in the Spirit, Holy Laughter - YouTube

Holy Ghost leaves 3 women writhing on the floor - YouTube

 

[2ducklow]

i can do all those things, without rolling around on the floor and hoppin and hollering and running around looking like im possessed.

the point is you don't do those things, so you don't know what you would do if you did those things. I do those things, you don't.. so you're guessing and Im not.

Which is what it boils down to.

No what it boils down to is you ignored everything I said.
because you have no rebutal for the things I've said except to ignore them.

What if someone wanting to know the Lord walked into your church, you would drive them away by your ridiculousness for they would think your possessed.

I believe there are dead churches for people who want that kind of chritianity, and there are churches alive in the spirit for those who want that kind of christianity, and all the other churches that are inbewteen are for those who are inbetween those 2 extremes. Dead church services would drive people like me out of the building.

Getting "drunk in the Spirit" how you understand it, is in err

the only evidence you've given is that you don't like it. Nothing in the bible condemns it.

being filled and drunk are completely different

I didn't say they were the same, you aren't reading what I've said.

one can be filled, and still have order about them, and wont be a put off to lost person coming into the church

like i said, and you ignored previously, your idea of order is stocism, my idea of order is there is a time and place to praise the lord in the dance with all your might and ability, and a time to listen to the sermon, and a time to talk chit chat with your neighbor in thechurch, that is order.

 

[2ducklow]

My experience with being drunk in the spirit is this. it's like being drunk, but unlike the videos posted previously it is to me a result of being filled with the spirit to overflowing levels. Sometimes it's like being sloppy drunk, sometimes it's almost like passing out, sometimes its just having slurred speech or acting kind of giddy. But it is a result of being unable to handle all of God's spirit. thus the more I can handle the experience of being filled to overflowing with God's spirit, the less I become drunk in the spirit, It's a matter of Growth. I don't see being drunk in the spirit as an objective, but as a result of not being able to handle all of the spirit of God that he is pouring out on me. Like Tongues, one day, when fully mature, it probably will go away, but maybe not. Certainly one day though tongues will disapear, according to the word of God.
on the other hand, I'm currently getting drunk in the spirit at every service of late to the point of being unable to stand on my feet, and falling to the floor, but not to the point of slurred speech, or sloppy drunk. Because , I think, God is doing something in the spirit with me that results in me being unable to stand when being filled with his presence. I think it's that he wants me to bow down to him and prostrate myself before him, which I gladly do.

 

[IOWLBNIF]

If what you do is what those videos present


then you a wrong my friend.




you assume i dont sing to Lord.


So because you assume, you think im talking about stoicism.




like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful, to something that is HOly and without sin. what dont you understand


drunkenness is a sin. therefore when you say your "drunk" in the spirit, you are saying that something that is holy, is unholy




what exactly didnt i address, that you accuse me of overlooking. Give me a specific and i will answer it.

 

[GQ Chris]

Kenneth Hagin *triple facepalm

 

[IOWLBNIF]

Nothing condemns going to a nightclub.


You dont have to drink in order to attend. So does that mean its ok?

stop justifying your sins by what the bible doesnt say.


If i go to a club and watch people grind on each other, what atmosphere am i in? Am in one approved by God or not approved?


Should i not go to Chilis because they serve alcohol?

Serving alcohol doesnt make something unbiblical




the atmosphere is what makes something unbiblical, without the bible having to spell it out for you

 

[2ducklow]

If what you do is what those videos present


then you a wrong my friend.




you assume i dont sing to Lord.

Inever said you don't sing, in fact I said you probably sing a few songs at church service , like most christians do.

So because you assume, you think im talking about stoicism.

No, I know that most all christians are plagued with stocism from my own 40 year experience with christians of various theological opinions. And your rejection of drunk in the spirit on the grounds of order is wrong, because those who get drunk in the spirit don't do it out of order, they do it at the proper time. The only real reason you reject it is cause it flys against the stocism of christianity, imo.

Is it wrong to feel God's presence and feel happy? is it wrong to be so happy you laugh uncontrolably sometimes? is it wrong leap for joy because you are so happy in God's presence? I say no. you condemn those who , as you put it, jump around like lunatics . but the bible says to leap for joy. what's the difference between leaping for joy and jumping around for joy? NONE> So you reject the bibe on this point as well.

like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful, to something that is HOly and without sin. what dont you understand


drunkenness is a sin. therefore when you say your "drunk" in the spirit, you are saying that something that is holy, is unholy

I gave you the scriptures, the video you posted dealt with one of those scriptures, you're entitled to your interpretation, which i beleive is wrong, and I'm entitled to mine which my own personal experience, something you don't have, lines up with it.

Though I do once in a great while , briefly act and feel like a sloppy drunk, I never am tempted to sin, as those who become enebriated with beer do. In fact, just the opposite, being filled with the spirit takes away any desire to sin. That is what is wrong with being drunk with wine, it lowers your defenses against sin, and makes you more susceptiable to satans lures.

what exactly didnt i address, that you accuse me of overlooking. Give me a specific and i will answer it.

The bible says to praise the Lord in the round dance, the b ible says david danced before the lord with all his might,(which would include his abilities as well), the bible says to be baptised in the Holy spirit. You don't do those things. those things lead one to being drunk in the spirit. you didn't address my accusation that the church is plagued with stocism. that being drunk in the spirit flys in the face of stocism. just as dancing before the Lord does, and that's the real reason people reject dancing, baptism of the holy spirit, shouting for joy, leaping for joy, laughing in the spirit, drunk in the spirit, etc.