The U.S. crime rate is still dropping, FBI data shows. Q4 2023 had 13% drop in murder, 6% drop in violent crime

[DaisyDay]

Yes, that's how democratic lawmakers think. Always wanting to take people's money by hustling them. Oftentimes the ones most effected are the poor, who can't afford things like updated registration stickers, they can't afford to fix that cracked windshield, or broken tail light. But the left chooses to penalize them by tacking on lots of fees that they definitely can't afford, making them struggle even harder than they already are.

...They think they're doing some kind of service, I'm guessing. But really they're only causing more damage than good.

This is not a partisan issue.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes, that's how democratic lawmakers think. Always wanting to take people's money by hustling them. Oftentimes the ones most effected are the poor, who can't afford things like updated registration stickers, they can't afford to fix that cracked windshield, or broken tail light. But the left chooses to penalize them by tacking on lots of fees that they definitely can't afford, making them struggle even harder than they already are.

...They think they're doing some kind of service, I'm guessing. But really they're only causing more damage than good.

This is not a partisan issue.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is not a partisan issue.

It really is. Look to the red light, or speed cameras. You'll find it's the democratic lawmakers who do that exclusively, proving that it is indeed the way of the democrats to squeeze money out of people with fines, whether they can afford it or not. Then realize it doesn't end there, citing the ridiculous amount Trump was ordered to pay.

 

[DaisyDay]

It really is.

It really isn't.

Look to the red light, or speed cameras. You'll find it's the democratic lawmakers who do that exclusively, proving that it is indeed the way of the democrats to squeeze money out of people with fines, whether they can afford it or not.

What makes you think that that is true?

11 Insanely Corrupt Speed-Trap Towns

CASTLEBERRY, ALABAMA The Birmingham News recently investigated the tiny town of Brookside, Alabama, a place "with no traffic lights and…

reason.com

Most the states listed are red states, but the California county mentioned is Maricopa notorious for Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Then realize it doesn't end there, citing the ridiculous amount Trump was ordered to pay.

Do you know how that amount was arrived at?

 

[Landon Caeli]

It really isn't.


What makes you think that that is true?

11 Insanely Corrupt Speed-Trap Towns

CASTLEBERRY, ALABAMA The Birmingham News recently investigated the tiny town of Brookside, Alabama, a place "with no traffic lights and…

reason.com

Most the states listed are red states, but the California county mentioned is Maricopa notorious for Sheriff Joe Arpaio.


Do you know how that amount was arrived at?

Henry Kirksey was the mayor of Castleberry Alabama in 2022 when the speedtraps and complaints occured. He is the son of a left wing "civil rights leader" who advocated for the removal of confederate battle flags. He is a black, African American, Democrat, in spite of your broadbrush of Alabama being a red state.

Henry Kirksey - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Castleberry AL - Town hall, mayor, stats, schools, attractions, and more

Located in Alabama, the Town of Castleberry has a lot to discover. Find more about its Town Hall, Mayor, Schools, Banks, Passport Facilities, and Leisure Activities.

www.citydirectory.us

Also, it was Janet Napolitano (D), not Sheriff Joe Arpaio who installed the speed cameras in Arizona. Sheriff's don't pass laws.

It is *always* democratic lawmakers wanting to ruthlessly hustle money... They do it with a smile, and a pat on the back.

 

[Ana the Ist]

New York is safer than a year ago. But like most cities, some places are a lot safer, and some places might even be less safe. Statistics measure how it is on the average. Even if fewer people are being attacked, you could still be the unlucky one.

There's 2 crime measures and they're detached.

"Oh, they just aren't recording crime now." is such an obvious clinker, I'm surprised anyone actually tries it.

1. They did alter the way the FBI collects data....I don't know what's hard to understand about this. Fewer police departments are on board than in the past, so it's a smaller data set.

2. The crime victimization data (where they sample people to see if they've been victims of crimes) is further detached from the FBI crime report than ever.

Did Violent Crime Go Up or Down Last Year? Yes, It Did.

While the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting data showed a drop in the nation’s violent crime rate in 2022, data from the National Crime Victimization Survey showed that violent crime victimization increased. What does this discrepancy mean and why might it exist?

counciloncj.org

So typically the two data sets coincide....but hey, because the left destroyed all that progress the police had made since the late 80s and early 90s in decreasing crime by rioting and endlessly scrutinizing the smallest of problems in our police departments....

The left decided to change the way they collect data. Oddly, if we ask the police....crime is decreasing....but if we ask the public, a large increase in the number if victims of crime report along most metrics.


The public isn't reporting crimes. It's as if they don't trust the police....or the police are badly understaffed and unable to take reports....or both.

 

[The Barbarian]

There's 2 crime measures and they're detached.

Your link references a private organization that is using a different measure that makes it appear crime went up.

But using consistent measures, shows crime is declining. Apples to apples. Show me the data from the past 30 years with your new measure, and then you have something. Otherwise, not.

. They did alter the way the FBI collects data....I don't know what's hard to understand about this. Fewer police departments are on board than in the past, so it's a smaller data set.

So are you saying that the FBI is lying and using absolute numbers instead of rates now? Or are you saying that the FBI statisticians are incompetent and don't know how to adjust for sample size?

So typically the two data sets coincide....but hey, because the left destroyed all that progress the police had made since the late 80s and early 90s in decreasing crime by rioting

As you know, rioting (most of the people charged are far-right and/or white supremacists) was very limited. But I'd be pleased to see checkable numbers showing that those relatively few cases significantly affected crime rates. Show us what you have. I'll ask again, if you forget.

The public isn't reporting crimes.

Gee, it's as if there was less crime. I'm very skeptical of your suggestion that people just stopped reporting homicides (which are significantly down, BTW). How do you figure that?

 

[Lukaris]

Fewer than half of crimes in the U.S. are reported, and fewer than half of reported crimes are solved

www.pewresearch.org

 

[The Barbarian]

Fewer than half of crimes in the U.S. are reported, and fewer than half of reported crimes ar

Yep, and the rate of reported crime has remained pretty constant for at least 40 years. So measuring apples to apples, the decreased reported crime rate shows that fewer crimes are occurring. From your source:

 

[The Barbarian]

The public isn't reporting crimes. It's as if they don't trust the police....or the police are badly understaffed and unable to take reports....or both.

Gee, it's as if there was less crime. I'm very skeptical of your suggestion that people just stopped reporting homicides (which are significantly down, BTW). How do you figure that?

 

[Lukaris]

Just because people still think there is a crime problem doesn’t make it hysteria.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's irrational to think it's getting worse when it's getting better.

 

[essentialsaltes]

You can't just shoot someone for walking on unposted property. That might be the issue.

Turns out, sometimes you can.

Prosecutors say they will not retry an Arizona rancher accused of murder near the US-Mexico border​

PHOENIX (AP) — Prosecutors said Monday they will not retry an Arizona rancher whose trial in the fatal shooting of a Mexican man on his property ended last week with a deadlocked jury.

 

[The Barbarian]

PHOENIX (AP) — Prosecutors said Monday they will not retry an Arizona rancher whose trial in the fatal shooting of a Mexican man on his property ended last week with a deadlocked jury.

That kind of thing used to be a lot more common.

I guess it still happens in some places.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's irrational to think it's getting worse when it's getting better.

I'd give this "winner of the day", except it's like pointing out that it's humid when it's raining. It's astonishing that anyone has to point it out.