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I am having trouble figuring out what Church is correct for me to join. All my life I have attended a conservative Lutheran church (not that I am liberal). This is just background.
I beleive in 4 out of the 5 parts of TULIP.
I accept TOTAL DEPRAVITY
I accpet UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
I also accept the lutheran view of UNLIMITED ATONEMENT
However I accept the Calvinist view of IRRESISTABLE GRACE and PERSEVEARANCE OF THE SANTS.
So I accept 4 out the 5.
Secondly, I REJECT INFANT BAPTISM, AND THE REAL PRESENCE IN THE EUCHARIST. I do accept ADULT BAPTISM, and I will elaborate further on why I reject the REAL PRESENCE.
In Lutheranism, they believe that the Bread and Christ are united and Christ is fully "in" the bread. There is no mixing of natures between the bread and Christ in essence. However, Lutherans
reject the "essence energy" distinction in Eastern Orthodoxy. Also, Lutherans truly believe they are eating Christ's body! Without accepting the essence energies distinction, this is eating the
"essence" of Christ even if that is explicitly denied!! The essence energy distinction is considered "neoplatonic" to them because it is too philosophical for them. I only want this distinction for the Eucharist and still affirm the Lutheran view of monergism in salvation and justification.
My third problem is if I attend a baptism church, they are too arminian and REJECT TOTAL DEPRAVITY AND UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION and are too arminian. Even the radical fundamentalist baptist churches
believe in free will and reject the TU in TULIP.
Is there not a single church that accepts my views??? Are there any other people out there that agree with me?
I beleive in 4 out of the 5 parts of TULIP.
I accept TOTAL DEPRAVITY
I accpet UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
I also accept the lutheran view of UNLIMITED ATONEMENT
However I accept the Calvinist view of IRRESISTABLE GRACE and PERSEVEARANCE OF THE SANTS.
So I accept 4 out the 5.
Secondly, I REJECT INFANT BAPTISM, AND THE REAL PRESENCE IN THE EUCHARIST. I do accept ADULT BAPTISM, and I will elaborate further on why I reject the REAL PRESENCE.
In Lutheranism, they believe that the Bread and Christ are united and Christ is fully "in" the bread. There is no mixing of natures between the bread and Christ in essence. However, Lutherans
reject the "essence energy" distinction in Eastern Orthodoxy. Also, Lutherans truly believe they are eating Christ's body! Without accepting the essence energies distinction, this is eating the
"essence" of Christ even if that is explicitly denied!! The essence energy distinction is considered "neoplatonic" to them because it is too philosophical for them. I only want this distinction for the Eucharist and still affirm the Lutheran view of monergism in salvation and justification.
My third problem is if I attend a baptism church, they are too arminian and REJECT TOTAL DEPRAVITY AND UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION and are too arminian. Even the radical fundamentalist baptist churches
believe in free will and reject the TU in TULIP.
Is there not a single church that accepts my views??? Are there any other people out there that agree with me?
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