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Can someone explain it to me in plain language? do most of the reformed and presbyterian churches accept it?
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My understanding is that double predestination means that God specifically selected some people to be saved and some to go to hell regardless of anything they might do, they were saved or damned from before day one. I do not agree with it but I believe that I provided an accurate explanation.In simple terms, if God predestines some to salvation, then by default those who are not predestined are destined to hell. It’s not an equal ultimacy, though. God doesn’t actively not save someone in the same way He saves someone else.
Mine’s more accurate. God doesn’t need to select anyone to go to hell.My understanding is that double predestination means that God specifically selected some people to be saved and some to go to hell regardless of anything they might do, they were saved or damned from before day one. I do not agree with it but I believe that I provided an accurate explanation.
how do you get double predestination if God is not selecting both the saved and the unsaved?Mine’s more accurate. God doesn’t need to select anyone to go to hell.
Man isn’t born neutral. Man’s default is hell. There’s no predestination necessary for that.how do you get double predestination if God is not selecting both the saved and the unsaved?
My understanding is that double predestination means that God specifically selected some people to be saved and some to go to hell regardless of anything they might do, they were saved or damned from before day one. I do not agree with it but I believe that I provided an accurate explanation.
If you are referring to the doctrine of our reprobation from conception then HE in fact CHOSE ALL to go to hell BY THEIR CONCEPTION and them saves some from hell - a doctrine solidly contrary to HIS revealed nature as loving, just and unable to create evil by any means whatsoever.Mine’s more accurate. God doesn’t need to select anyone to go to hell.
ImCo,how do you get double predestination if God is not selecting both the saved and the unsaved?
Romans 8:29 says >
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)
He doesn’t force anyone to sin.If you are referring to the doctrine of our reprobation from conception then HE in fact CHOSE ALL to go to hell BY THEIR CONCEPTION and them saves some from hell - a doctrine solidly contrary to HIS revealed nature as loving, just and unable to create evil by any means whatsoever.
If you are referring to the doctrine of our reprobation from conception then HE in fact CHOSE ALL to go to hell BY THEIR CONCEPTION and them saves some from hell - a doctrine solidly contrary to HIS revealed nature as loving, just and unable to create evil by any means whatsoever.
Lets see what the experts have to say:Man isn’t born neutral. Man’s default is hell. There’s no predestination necessary for that.
See post #15The phrase "regardless of anything they might do" refers to the concept of UNconditional election and UNconditional non-election...and is anathema in light of HIS loving righteousness and justice.
An acceptable definition of election and reprobation includes MERIT based election and DISMERIT based reprobation. In such a case double predestination is quite acceptable in that it is based upon the free will desires and choices of both the elect and non-elect folk.
Election (being chosen to salvation and the heavenly marriage) and reprobation (being passed over as eternally outside of HIS grace and mercy for salvation and the heavenly marriage due to sinning the unforgivable sin) are both HIS response to our faith based choices made by our free will, not by HIS will.
See post #15ImCo,
Predestination is NOT ELECTION and is predictive of the end state of election or non-election, not the cause of election or non-election.
We chose our eternal FATES by our free will then GOD predestined our LIVES to conform to that choice.
I disagree with that expert. It’s a very simplistic understanding.Lets see what the experts have to say:
Double Predestination
This is the view that God sovereignly and freely chose to predestine some to Heaven (the elect) and some to Hell (the reprobate). This predestination is not based on anything in the person, nor is it based on what the foreseen actions and/or beliefs of that person would have been.
Double Predestination
I think that you are going to find a bunch of experts that agree with that expert, can they all be wrong? maybe?I disagree with that expert. It’s a very simplistic understanding.
This isn’t the debate section.I think that you are going to find a bunch of experts that agree with that expert, can they all be wrong? maybe?